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Why are we even debating this? Amir got hit low and did not want any more of a beating, not due to the lowblow itself- but even he said he was losing the boxing match to CRawford where he said directly that he never lost the boxing match in any of his losses. He admitted it. lolol...
Khan's corner asked him from ringside if he wanted to continue and Khan said NO! I saw it and heard it and the commissioner/doctor heard it.
End of... ;D
No arguments from me.
You are the one that started a new thread on it, we all agree.
Indeed, he wanted no part of being comprehensively outboxed and beaten up
Of course you are right
Kudos to Khan for talking himself into another payday. How many undeserved chances has he had?
Khan has never been the same after the Garcia fight. Kinda like the Bute vs Froch fight. Bute was never the same after that beat down. It's ok if you lose, but to lose the respect of boxing fighters and fans is even worse. he's done.
I think all fighters have a code for his trainer to stop the fight that they have worked before their contest. In this case Virgil did not register the code word and it looked suspicious.
I don't know how he does it? He had and possibly still has another multi-million dollar payday vs Kell Brook in the wings for him even.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
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Chinny Mc Chin quiits, surprise.
All it says is there is too many weight divisions.
When did chinny mc chin ever quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Non-boxing fans can't tell the difference between heart and chin.
Luckily Khan has neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanWhen did chinny mc chin ever quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Non-boxing fans can't tell the difference between heart and chin.
You don't need to be an expert to know if someone has heart.
You can call Khan anything but that boy always had heart. I'm @tting people man because chin and heart are two different things @FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by boylaLuckily Khan has neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanWhen did chinny mc chin ever quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Non-boxing fans can't tell the difference between heart and chin.
You don't need to be an expert to know if someone has heart.
You can hate Khan, but to say that boy didn't have heart is just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by boylaLuckily Khan has neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanWhen did chinny mc chin ever quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Non-boxing fans can't tell the difference between heart and chin.
You don't need to be an expert to know if someone has heart.
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Originally Posted by boylaLuckily Khan has neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanWhen did chinny mc chin ever quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Non-boxing fans can't tell the difference between heart and chin.
You don't need to be an expert to know if someone has heart.
Chin is the one thing a fighter can do little about. Chin and heart are worlds about bro.
Quits in the 4/5th round, that boy has heart.
He doesn't have a chin or heart, her nearly wormed his way into a big fight.
Why you defend him I don't know why.
Any empirical evidence he has a heart............
Show me because I am always wanting to find out the truth.
I think I know the truth a blown up British fighter got found out fot the fraud he was ten years ago.
One thing that never changes, great fights make great fighters, what was Khan's great fight.
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Originally Posted by boyla
Again, you are confusing heart with chin then making loads of ridiculous statements.
He didn't show heart vs Maidaina? The guy was fucked out his head and had the balls to stick in and fight back.
Khan has always had balls. His chin is shit no question. he has been dumb, he has no chin, but to say he has no heart sounds like someone that doesn't watch boxing. The lad has shown balls way beyond his ability @greenbeanz @Fenster @Master @Lyle @Gandalf.
Call Khan shit, call him chinless, whatever, but call him heartless is just wrong.
I am a big critic of Khan, but he has always shown heart. He has just slipped with a layoff and too many recent soft touches. He seemed hurt by the low blow and didn't appear to quit himself. Khan did not make Crawford throw that stupid shot. Crawford is overrated IMO. He fights Horns and shot Khan's for a reason.
When did quitting after 12 minutes show heart.
So now Crawford is overrated? I don't get this logic. Bud dominated from the start. Khan knew he was going nowhere but toward a comprehensive beating. I'm not gonna argue one way or another about heart... it's such a subjective argument. But he DID quit against Crawford, and that's all this thread and others have stated. He's a pro boxer... he knows full well he gets 5 minutes to recover from a low blow... he was repeatedly asked whether he wanted to continue... and finally everyone got the message that NO, Khan did not want to continue. He knew he was getting outboxed, outgunned, and soon would just be out. Does fighting Canelo show he's got heart? No. He was easily boxing the ears off Ginger until the inevitable thunderbolt struck and knocked Amir out cold. That's not heart. That is a stupidly made fight that should've never been. Had Khan avoided The Shot, he would've given Ginger a shutout, much like Floyd did. But back to Crawford being overrated, how do you get to that based on what he did to Khan. FFS, he made Khan quit.
I think so. I would love to see him in there with Manny and see how he takes a few of those shots he doesn't see coming. He loses to Spence and Manny, but beats Thurman, possibly, who is back off a long lay off. Garcia would be a close fight. I think most top fighters today beat Khan. This fight proved little really except that Khan does not take low blows very well. He did not quit though, his corner quit for him. Khan is several years past prime and was vulnerable even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You just need to look at Khan's record too. He took a year off after Algieri only to get pummeled a year later against Canelo, then another 2 years off just to fight a couple of low level fighters. Khan has shown little hunger for several years and not proven at all that he is even able to compete at the top. He seems to make a pay day, take a year off, and then come back looking for another, he doesn't seem dedicated. So, when Crawford outboxes him at this stage I don't think it has all that much meaning. You have to look at Crawford with a raised eyebrow really.
Personally, I think he got hit with a shot he couldn't take and rationalised it as "I shouldn't have to take that, I'm out".
He's never quit before and I have no reason to think he'll do it again.
Manny flat out said he wont entertain fights with Crawford or Spence, but listed every other WW. Why do you think that is? Those would be the two biggest money and legacy fights for him, and very easy to make. The fight proved little except that Khan cant take a low blow....:vd: As if he wasnt comprehensively getting his ass kicked until then? For a smart guy, you struggle a lot to be objective and cant stop yourself from being a cheerleader at times. Why did Manny struggle so much with Horn if hes such a bad fighter? I dont think many would disagree Crawford needs some marquee names, although he definetely has some solid wins, but I also dont think many would say its for lack of willingness to fight anybody on his part. He wants to make big money like every other top guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI think so. I would love to see him in there with Manny and see how he takes a few of those shots he doesn't see coming. He loses to Spence and Manny, but beats Thurman, possibly, who is back off a long lay off. Garcia would be a close fight. I think most top fighters today beat Khan. This fight proved little really except that Khan does not take low blows very well. He did not quit though, his corner quit for him. Khan is several years past prime and was vulnerable even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I think Manny struggled because he did not really know what Horn was about. He would have done better in a rematch and had Horn out on his feet towards the end. Horn hasn't really proven himself at all and Khan is undeniably several years out of date. Not old at all, but inactive and getting worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingManny flat out said he wont entertain fights with Crawford or Spence, but listed every other WW. Why do you think that is? Those would be the two biggest money and legacy fights for him, and very easy to make. The fight proved little except that Khan cant take a low blow....:vd: As if he wasnt comprehensively getting his ass kicked until then? For a smart guy, you struggle a lot to be objective and cant stop yourself from being a cheerleader at times. Why did Manny struggle so much with Horn if hes such a bad fighter? I dont think many would disagree Crawford needs some marquee names, although he definetely has some solid wins, but I also dont think many would say its for lack of willingness to fight anybody on his part. He wants to make big money like every other top guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI think so. I would love to see him in there with Manny and see how he takes a few of those shots he doesn't see coming. He loses to Spence and Manny, but beats Thurman, possibly, who is back off a long lay off. Garcia would be a close fight. I think most top fighters today beat Khan. This fight proved little really except that Khan does not take low blows very well. He did not quit though, his corner quit for him. Khan is several years past prime and was vulnerable even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Manny has his reasons for avoiding certain fights, but that does not mean that he cannot win them. I think like with what Crawford has been doing, he wants the easier fights for the best possible money whence the Algieri and Horn type of matchups.
Personally I think Crawford is wasting his time with Horn and Khan type fights. He is in his 30's and it is now or never. He will age in a few years like anyone else, except James Toney, who is of course an Immortal and blessed with the spirit of hamburger patty glory.
Im trying to find some substance there to respond to, and all Im left with is the spirit of hamburger pattys. They go nicely with swiss cheese, but it hasnt got enough holes fit your narrative. The argument just doesnt cut the mustard. You need to ketchup with the current boxing landscape. I relish the next reponse.
Lettuce think about that for a moment.
The only thing I can retort with is burger off. I am dyslexic. Oh, and 'I got milk!'. I hope this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I agree Crawford is good too. He is clearly one of the top in his division, but the idea that he is the best fighter out there P4P, which some are suggesting is just ludicrous to me until he fights the best names in his division. This is why I want to see him fight the top 4 and stop messing around with Horn and Khan level fighters. That is a year of his career and I am not sure it is the best use of his time. Khan certainly didn't deserve a big fight. You can give a pass with Horn, but not with Khan.
Hey look Khan did quit but that is the only time I have seen him do it and he has gotten his ass kicked before. I mean Duran quit and for being clowned on takes a lot of heart to even get in a ring come on people. Crawford has beaten the shit out of anyone he has fought and they have not been close fights hope the top guys will get in ring with him at some point in time. Khan has a following and is fun to watch like car crash that is why Crawford the guy brings in money.
Agreed. Only a fool or a guy who doesn't know his limits would go up to MW to fight a guy considered a cheat like Canelo. Bravery or foolish?:-\ As far as this fight, reminds me a bit of Morales last fight with Pac. I think they both had an epiphany after a few rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
It just wasn't worth it.:eek:
“Until he fights the best names in his division”,,, only Usyk and Crawford have done that. Your argument against Crawford eats itself. Prey tell who you have at top??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There are several very well known, excellent fighters at WW. Crawford has faced none of them really. BTW it is 'pray' rather than 'prey' though I do actually like the use of word 'prey' as it is unorthodox and I like unusual collocations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson“Until he fights the best names in his division”,,, only Usyk and Crawford have done that. Your argument against Crawford eats itself. Prey tell who you have at top??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
But he beat everyone at Jr WW, his P4P ranking is based on his entire career, not simply his last couple fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThere are several very well known, excellent fighters at WW. Crawford has faced none of them really. BTW it is 'pray' rather than 'prey' though I do actually like the use of word 'prey' as it is unorthodox and I like unusual collocations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson“Until he fights the best names in his division”,,, only Usyk and Crawford have done that. Your argument against Crawford eats itself. Prey tell who you have at top??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I just think prey tell is funny in the context of Internet debate. But I think a lot of things are funny and most don’t agree with me haha. You didn’t answer the question though. Cool if you don’t want to, P4P is rather biased so silly. Just I thought it was interesting that Crawford has the best argument by your criteria yet you eliminate him because of your criteria
I would much rather see him fight Spence, Manny, Garcia, Thurman etc. They are clearly better than Horn and Khan. I know Manny struggled with Horn, but styles make fights. Horn was awkward and Manny took several rounds to work out what the stinging bee strategy was all about.
I am not against Crawford, just want to see him in better fights really. Same for all of them. Would like Manny to go out on his shield too and not be ducking. Either carry on or be a politician.
Fair enough. I too want to see them all make the fights we want but they’ve learned it’s not necessary. The dollars are exploding with these new platforms in bidding wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf