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Loma can’t become undisputed without fighting Haney. They will say he is, just like they keep saying he’s undefeated(watch the broadcasts, 2 separate graphics had him as undefeated)just like they keep saying he won a title in his 3rd professional fight. Check fightfax, the official record keepers, it says his true record. BoxRec is just a website, nothing official about it and wrong repeatedly. I personally know multiple fighters whose records and even names are wrong on that crap site. But back to the point. You can’t lose franchise champion, you don’t fight for it. It is not on the line when he fights the Commey/Lopez winner. They can’t win undisputed when they fight him so Loma can’t win undisputed either. Whether you like Loma or not acknowledge this simple fact. Don’t help spread lies, keep it 100.
He could have fought for undisputed but he then would have been forced to fight Haney, he chooses to give up his belt rather than fight his mandatory then he IS NOT CHAMPION, a champion is required to defend his championship! Same as Alvarez, sanctioned ducking BS. Don’t spread the lie, don’t allow the lie, when someone spreads it call their BS what it is.
They only sell us what we are willing to buy, don’t buy it! It’s on his fans more than anyone to be honest, it is not a debate. The facts are clear. Be honest and get honesty. Help the lie and this sport will sell you more and more BS
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Some might not know what you're referring to, so I'll post the link here for reference.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/10...hise-champion/
"Sulaiman says Lomachenko CAN become undisputed as ‘Franchise’ champion"
Interesting (and telling) tidbit from the article on an interview with "Don" Sulaiman about the Franchise champion crap er..... process.
"Under the heat of the questions about Lomachenko’s Franchise champion status, Sulaiman finally said, “I’m done.” The way that Sulaiman ended the interview, it was as if he couldn’t be bothered with trying to explain the process about the Franchise champion."
;D
Translation: You're exposing my corruptness and blatant efforts to control and ruin boxing..... and I take exception to that.
So basically what it boils down to is this. If you're in "Don" Sulaiman's good graces, and he favors you immensely, he'll bestow upon you the bullshit title of Franchise Champion, much like the "Get out of Jail Free" card in Monopoly, so you can face whomever you want whenever you want....................... or NOT................... and STILL retain this bullshit champion belt.
Got it.
:thumb:
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
but before we are being to harch on Sulaimans legacies, we should always kept in mind the following things: During Sulaiman's tenure, the WBC sanctioned over 1,100 title bouts and 300 boxers won world titles. Truly a worldwide organization, Sulaiman had expanded the WBC's global reach to include 161 affiliated nations.
Outside of boxing, Sulaiman, who spoke Spanish, English, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, successfully operated a medical supply company in Mexico.
He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on June 10, 2007.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Oh..... so he's a multi-lingual, corrupt jerk. Thanks for that clarification. ;)
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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but before we are being to harch on Sulaimans legacies, we should always kept in mind the following things: During Sulaiman's tenure, the WBC sanctioned over 1,100 title bouts and 300 boxers won world titles. Truly a worldwide organization, Sulaiman had expanded the WBC's global reach to include 161 affiliated nations.
Outside of boxing, Sulaiman, who spoke Spanish, English, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, successfully operated a medical supply company in Mexico.
He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on June 10, 2007.
I know my way round French and Italian menus and I bet I speak far more French and Italian than that cunt.
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Fatboxingfan
but before we are being to harch on Sulaimans legacies, we should always kept in mind the following things: During Sulaiman's tenure, the WBC sanctioned over 1,100 title bouts and 300 boxers won world titles. Truly a worldwide organization, Sulaiman had expanded the WBC's global reach to include 161 affiliated nations.
Outside of boxing, Sulaiman, who spoke Spanish, English, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, successfully operated a medical supply company in Mexico.
He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on June 10, 2007.
I know my way round
French and Italian menus and I bet I speak far more French and Italian than that cunt.
good pointer, but not more than me!
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Fatboxingfan
but before we are being to harch on Sulaimans legacies, we should always kept in mind the following things: During Sulaiman's tenure, the WBC sanctioned over 1,100 title bouts and 300 boxers won world titles. Truly a worldwide organization, Sulaiman had expanded the WBC's global reach to include 161 affiliated nations.
Outside of boxing, Sulaiman, who spoke Spanish, English, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, successfully operated a medical supply company in Mexico.
He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on June 10, 2007.
I know my way round French and Italian menus and I bet I speak far more French and Italian than that cunt.
Suli or Flatboxingflan/Brock? (:
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Fatboxingfan
but before we are being to harch on Sulaimans legacies, we should always kept in mind the following things: During Sulaiman's tenure, the WBC sanctioned over 1,100 title bouts and 300 boxers won world titles. Truly a worldwide organization, Sulaiman had expanded the WBC's global reach to include 161 affiliated nations.
Outside of boxing, Sulaiman, who spoke Spanish, English, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, successfully operated a medical supply company in Mexico.
He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on June 10, 2007.
I know my way round French and Italian menus and I bet I speak far more French and Italian than that cunt.
Suli or Flatboxingflan/Brock? (:
The second iteration of Brockton manages to have even more mental health issues than the first one did.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Huh? étrange logique, très dérangeant, avec énormes délires, qu'impliquez-vous? pas drôle.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
No one in the forum vote now wants Loma vs. Haney. He needs to line up. It is very difficult to have no conflicts for dispute
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
I feel like it would have just been better for Loma to have dropped the belt. It’s an insult to everybody involved for this kind of elevation. If Loma wants to fight the winner of Commey and Lopez then Davis, I have no problem with him just dropping the belt.
That’s one of the many problems with these belts. You are forced to drop belts because there are other fights to take.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
The more they hand out trinkets like free stale black coffee at auto dealerships the easier it is to ignore them. Save the brain cells and don't jump through the hoops. To me, if there are multiple belt holders within the same organizations ranks..clearly there is a dispute. These clowns want to have it both ways and every way that pays. That said Haney is a very young 20 yrs old and has hardly faced two way traffic. Kid has his entire promising future ahead of him and cheap belts will come and go. Demand quality fights stay humble and do work.
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I feel like it would have just been better for Loma to have dropped the belt. It’s an insult to everybody involved for this kind of elevation. If Loma wants to fight the winner of Commey and Lopez then Davis, I have no problem with him just dropping the belt.
That’s one of the many problems with these belts. You are forced to drop belts because there are other fights to take.
He didn’t need to drop the belt, he was cleared to fight the Commey/Lopez winner then he would have been forced to fight Haney. They requested(and don’t let people lie about this, it was not bestowed on him, they REQUESTED it) it because they didn’t want to fight him at all. It had nothing to do with being free to fight the Commey/Lopez winner. He was free to become undisputed and chose to give that opportunity up rather than fight Haney after. And that’s the point, ESPN has shown they are quite comfortable lying, don’t let them.
I should point out, they put in this duck request MONTHS AGO when Haney started saying he was coming for them. Now that he’s here boom, franchise! We need to acknowledge the horse crap this is
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
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Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
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Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
Does she make chicken kiev for you
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Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
Does she make chicken kiev for you
Uh oh. Now you’ve done it
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Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
That is a bit rich coming from somebody who has repeatedly accused another poster of being not just a racist, but a klan member, for the big crime of simply not being a Hayman sychophant.
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Beans
I don’t care one bit if people like Haymon. I care that one poster I can tell you his views every single time by knowing race and country. He’s been here years, show me one example of him breaking the premise that we know his views by race and country. One time and I’ll apologize. I’ve never seen one. Every single time for years. So yes. Of all the posters I accuse 1. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. If there’s one thing I hate it’s racism. So please do provide some proof.
As for the point of the the thread, I told you the lies would come. I only ask as I did in the title that you acknowledge the lies and do not propagate them
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...-11188150/amp/
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Beans
I don’t care one bit if people like Haymon. I care that one poster I can tell you his views every single time by knowing race and country. He’s been here years, show me one example of him breaking the premise that we know his views by race and country. One time and I’ll apologize. I’ve never seen one. Every single time for years. So yes. Of all the posters I accuse 1. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. If there’s one thing I hate it’s racism. So please do provide some proof.
As for the point of the the thread, I told you the lies would come. I only ask as I did in the title that you acknowledge the lies and do not propagate them
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...-11188150/amp/
The onus is on nobody but you. If you want to call somebody a racist then you should have a good reason for doing so not just the fact that your own prejudice and unabashed bias is using that as a way to discredit someone's perfectly rational argument. I don't have to show you anything, step out of your bubble and you will see it as clear as day. There are real racists here and they should be long gone, but Fenster the sardonic bastard that he is, is not one of them.
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Sending a banana to a black person is out of order/proper racism, even a Klan man like me knows that, especially in a "football" pub at 10 at night. The young man would have understandably felt intimidated. Throwing bananas at black players comes from football culture, all but eradicated in the UK but still rife in Europe.
The reason the staff probably didn't realise the offense is because they're all Eastern Europeans.
Not sure what the cops can do now, but the very fact a young black man from south London voluntary went to the cops is incredible in itself (I almost don't trust the story because of that bit :D)
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Did it ever occur to you guys that the translation from Russian to English is totally out of context? The same idiot boxing sites/youtubers spreading all the "dive" nonsense are providing you this "truth."
Come on boys.
It's just a fighter saying he wasn't at his best, for various reasons, but couldn't refuse the payday. Standard excuses.
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Top Boy - watched it over the past couple of weeks, liked it because of where it was set (London shithole council estates), however, found it hard to have sympathy with the characters, especially season 3. I hated everyone apart from Sully (and the genuine innocent). And I don't want to make a political point but it's not a coincidence that season 3, after a decade gap in this current climate, portrays all the black single mothers as angels, the drug dealer loving dads/guardians as "hustling a living" whilst white people are to blame for everything and untrustworthy devils (even the poor skagheads were wronguns). And all whites outside London are racist as hell. Good stuff though.
A lot of whites outside London are racist as hell. I know I live amongst them (:
No Asian racists though. Not just in Britain. Nowhere in the world are there any racists Asians. I have it on good authority from ...................
A
non-racist white
man man :-X
I can assure you Asian people of all description (not just Bruce Lee) are the most racist towards black people i've ever come across. And yes there's lots of white racists in London too... they're called East Europeans... and geriatrics.
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Funny how an old past it 36 year old Floyd fought a young Canelo but Loma is getting no flack for not fighting Haney..
Time for Loma to deal with this young lion and prove his P4P 1-3 status.
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you
comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
i wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone my pedigree chum. I just said another guy from the “Russian states, another rant!” For Russian states , I mean members of the old USSR. I’m sure you’ll be alright with that, or am I being Politically incorrect?
Loma - Ukrainian - Ronnie rants about him.
Kovalev - Russian - Ronnie rants about him.
Golovkin - Kazakhstani - Ronnie rants about him.
So what have I said is wrong? And as much as I don’t wish to be rude , but what the fuck has your wife’s nationality got to do with anything? Just another little smokescreen me thinks.
Btw,I wasn’t aware I used a “typical tactic” , but hey ho. :rolleyes:
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you
comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
i wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone my pedigree chum. I just said another guy from the “Russian states, another rant!” For Russian states , I mean members of the old USSR. I’m sure you’ll be alright with that, or am I being Politically incorrect?
Loma - Ukrainian - Ronnie rants about him.
Kovalev - Russian - Ronnie rants about him.
Golovkin - Kazakhstani - Ronnie rants about him.
So what have I said is wrong? And as much as I don’t wish to be rude , but what the fuck has your wife’s nationality got to do with anything? Just another little smokescreen me thinks.
Btw,I wasn’t aware I used a “typical tactic” , but hey ho. :rolleyes:
Wait a minute! Are you calling Ron racist? How dare you!
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you
comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
i wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone my pedigree chum. I just said another guy from the “Russian states, another rant!” For Russian states , I mean members of the old USSR. I’m sure you’ll be alright with that, or am I being Politically incorrect?
Loma - Ukrainian - Ronnie rants about him.
Kovalev - Russian - Ronnie rants about him.
Golovkin - Kazakhstani - Ronnie rants about him.
So what have I said is wrong? And as much as I don’t wish to be rude , but what the fuck has your wife’s nationality got to do with anything? Just another little smokescreen me thinks.
Btw,I wasn’t aware I used a “typical tactic” , but hey ho. :rolleyes:
It’s not a russian state, quite simple. If you want to say former Soviet state fine. But Russian state, no. If you would look at the history you would know the reverse is true. A Ukrainian prince started Moscow, it was a bog and needed reclamation.
As for the wife and why it matters. I like to watch boxing. Having Ukrainians do well helps her to watch more which makes it easier for me to watch more. So I enjoy Ukrainian fighter success. I just like honesty in the sport.
That you point to me giving a hard time to 3 fighters TOTAL from all of the former USSR. Never once denying their talent mind you. Well, any logic would mean I DON’T have an axe to grind with former Soviet fighters. That’s right 3, of thousands 😂
I appreciate your efforts but your point is just wildly stupid. And it eats itself. But carry on with it. It’s funny to see someone prevent evidence that totally defeats their own “point”
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Ron Swanson
Beans
I don’t care one bit if people like Haymon. I care that one poster I can tell you his views every single time by knowing race and country. He’s been here years, show me one example of him breaking the premise that we know his views by race and country. One time and I’ll apologize. I’ve never seen one. Every single time for years. So yes. Of all the posters I accuse 1. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. If there’s one thing I hate it’s racism. So please do provide some proof.
As for the point of the the thread, I told you the lies would come. I only ask as I did in the title that you acknowledge the lies and do not propagate them
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...-11188150/amp/
The onus is on nobody but you. If you want to call somebody a racist then you should have a good reason for doing so not just the fact that your own prejudice and unabashed bias is using that as a way to discredit someone's perfectly rational argument. I don't have to show you anything, step out of your bubble and you will see it as clear as day. There are real racists here and they should be long gone, but Fenster the sardonic bastard that he is, is not one of them.
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Fenster
Sending a banana to a black person is out of order/proper racism, even a Klan man like me knows that, especially in a "football" pub at 10 at night. The young man would have understandably felt intimidated. Throwing bananas at black players comes from football culture, all but eradicated in the UK but still rife in Europe.
The reason the staff probably didn't realise the offense is because they're all Eastern Europeans.
Not sure what the cops can do now, but the very fact a young black man from south London voluntary went to the cops is incredible in itself (I almost don't trust the story because of that bit :D)
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Did it ever occur to you guys that the translation from Russian to English is totally out of context? The same idiot boxing sites/youtubers spreading all the "dive" nonsense are providing you this "truth."
Come on boys.
It's just a fighter saying he wasn't at his best, for various reasons, but couldn't refuse the payday. Standard excuses.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Fenster
Top Boy - watched it over the past couple of weeks, liked it because of where it was set (London shithole council estates), however, found it hard to have sympathy with the characters, especially season 3. I hated everyone apart from Sully (and the genuine innocent). And I don't want to make a political point but it's not a coincidence that season 3, after a decade gap in this current climate, portrays all the black single mothers as angels, the drug dealer loving dads/guardians as "hustling a living" whilst white people are to blame for everything and untrustworthy devils (even the poor skagheads were wronguns). And all whites outside London are racist as hell. Good stuff though.
A lot of whites outside London are racist as hell. I know I live amongst them (:
No Asian racists though. Not just in Britain. Nowhere in the world are there any racists Asians. I have it on good authority from ...................
A
non-racist white
man man :-X
I can assure you Asian people of all description (not just Bruce Lee) are the most racist towards black people i've ever come across. And yes there's lots of white racists in London too... they're called East Europeans... and geriatrics.
So him being offended black people were painted in a good light while white people were made to look bad(his words, I don’t know the show) is defense that he isn’t racist? It isn’t a single mother, it’s a single black mother, how dare they make her sympathetic. Again, I haven’t seen the show but from the description I would probably watch the show and consider it to be from someone else’s perspective and not get hung up that “white people...”. I would look at it on a person by person basis rather than lumping all the blacks together or all the whites together. Silly me
Does anyone care to deny the point of the thread? I told you all the lies were coming. And here they are.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Since nobody denies that Loma’s team is lying. Let’s proceed to the next step.
You can acknowledge this is a lie. We know they formally requested to be made a protection champ because the WBC acknowledged it months ago so when they say they didn’t we can call them on the lie
There may be more lies along the way but the important one is we have to consistently deny their claims that they will fight for undisputed. They dumped their belt, they can not be undisputed.
And a certain population, at least one, will continue to claim Haney’s belt is paper. But Loma’s was legit. Consider this, did Loma fight a champion to get his? Did Haney? No, neither did. But Haney’s is MORE legitimate if not completely because he earned the mandatory spot and the champion refused to fight him. Loma just fought some guy. And more importantly, Haney defended it. Maybe not fully legit but clearly more legit. So don’t let those people that want to push the lie tear down Haney to build their guy up, to excuse him for his protection belt. There is no excuse for Franchise Champions. Be it Loma, or Canelo
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you
comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
i wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone my pedigree chum. I just said another guy from the “Russian states, another rant!” For Russian states , I mean members of the old USSR. I’m sure you’ll be alright with that, or am I being Politically incorrect?
Loma - Ukrainian - Ronnie rants about him.
Kovalev - Russian - Ronnie rants about him.
Golovkin - Kazakhstani - Ronnie rants about him.
So what have I said is wrong? And as much as I don’t wish to be rude , but what the fuck has your wife’s nationality got to do with anything? Just another little smokescreen me thinks.
Btw,I wasn’t aware I used a “typical tactic” , but hey ho. :rolleyes:
It’s not a russian state, quite simple. If you want to say former Soviet state fine. But Russian state, no. If you would look at the history you would know the reverse is true. A Ukrainian prince started Moscow, it was a bog and needed reclamation.
As for the wife and why it matters. I like to watch boxing. Having Ukrainians do well helps her to watch more which makes it easier for me to watch more. So I enjoy Ukrainian fighter success. I just like honesty in the sport.
That you point to me giving a hard time to 3 fighters TOTAL from all of the former USSR. Never once denying their talent mind you. Well, any logic would mean I DON’T have an axe to grind with former Soviet fighters. That’s right 3, of thousands 😂
I appreciate your efforts but your point is just wildly stupid. And it eats itself. But carry on with it. It’s funny to see someone prevent evidence that totally defeats their own “point”
I just thought I would post to stop you breaking the record of continuous posts . All seems a bit desperate to me.
“He doth protest too much.”
Anyway , December 30th 1922.bit of light reading for you below. I think it categorically proves that Ukraine was a member of the USSR. Enjoy! 😘
“The Treaty along with the Declaration of the Creation of the USSR was approved on 30 December 1922 by a conference of delegations from the Russian SFSR, the Transcaucasian SFSR, the Ukrainian SSR and the Byelorussian SSR. The Treaty and the Declaration were confirmed by the 1st Congress of Soviets of the USSR and signed by heads of delegations[1] – Mikhail Kalinin, Mikhail Tskhakaya, Mikhail Frunze and Grigory Petrovsky, Aleksandr Chervyakov[2] respectively on December 30, 1922. The treaty provided flexibility to admit new members. Therefore, by 1940 the Soviet Union grew from the founding four republics to 15 republics.”
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I just thought I would post to stop you breaking the record of continuous posts .
@Gandalf 's record is safely out of reach. ;D
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we have to consistently deny their claims that they will fight for undisputed. They dumped their belt, they can not be undisputed
What do you consider undisputed in this day and age?
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
Haney would be stupid to step in the ring with Loma. His potential stock would plummit.
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Ron Swanson
Beans
I don’t care one bit if people like Haymon. I care that one poster I can tell you his views every single time by knowing race and country. He’s been here years, show me one example of him breaking the premise that we know his views by race and country. One time and I’ll apologize. I’ve never seen one. Every single time for years. So yes. Of all the posters I accuse 1. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. If there’s one thing I hate it’s racism. So please do provide some proof.
As for the point of the the thread, I told you the lies would come. I only ask as I did in the title that you acknowledge the lies and do not propagate them
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...-11188150/amp/
The onus is on nobody but you. If you want to call somebody a racist then you should have a good reason for doing so not just the fact that your own prejudice and unabashed bias is using that as a way to discredit someone's perfectly rational argument. I don't have to show you anything, step out of your bubble and you will see it as clear as day. There are real racists here and they should be long gone, but Fenster the sardonic bastard that he is, is not one of them.
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Sending a banana to a black person is out of order/proper racism, even a Klan man like me knows that, especially in a "football" pub at 10 at night. The young man would have understandably felt intimidated. Throwing bananas at black players comes from football culture, all but eradicated in the UK but still rife in Europe.
The reason the staff probably didn't realise the offense is because they're all Eastern Europeans.
Not sure what the cops can do now, but the very fact a young black man from south London voluntary went to the cops is incredible in itself (I almost don't trust the story because of that bit :D)
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Did it ever occur to you guys that the translation from Russian to English is totally out of context? The same idiot boxing sites/youtubers spreading all the "dive" nonsense are providing you this "truth."
Come on boys.
It's just a fighter saying he wasn't at his best, for various reasons, but couldn't refuse the payday. Standard excuses.
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Top Boy - watched it over the past couple of weeks, liked it because of where it was set (London shithole council estates), however, found it hard to have sympathy with the characters, especially season 3. I hated everyone apart from Sully (and the genuine innocent). And I don't want to make a political point but it's not a coincidence that season 3, after a decade gap in this current climate, portrays all the black single mothers as angels, the drug dealer loving dads/guardians as "hustling a living" whilst white people are to blame for everything and untrustworthy devils (even the poor skagheads were wronguns). And all whites outside London are racist as hell. Good stuff though.
A lot of whites outside London are racist as hell. I know I live amongst them (:
No Asian racists though. Not just in Britain. Nowhere in the world are there any racists Asians. I have it on good authority from ...................
A
non-racist white
man man :-X
I can assure you Asian people of all description (not just Bruce Lee) are the most racist towards black people i've ever come across. And yes there's lots of white racists in London too... they're called East Europeans... and geriatrics.
So him being offended black people were painted in a good light while white people were made to look bad(his words, I don’t know the show) is defense that he isn’t racist? It isn’t a single mother, it’s a single black mother, how dare they make her sympathetic. Again, I haven’t seen the show but from the description I would probably watch the show and consider it to be from someone else’s perspective and not get hung up that “white people...”. I would look at it on a person by person basis rather than lumping all the blacks together or all the whites together. Silly me
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence or integrity can see my comments were specifically to highlight the difference in zeitgeist (current climate) between the first series of Top Boy and 3rd - which was made 10 years later.
London is currently rife with drug/knife/gang crime, with black single mothers and absent single dads held up as part of the problem along with people in power - government. Acid attacks weren't heard of back then. Turk/Cypriot drug barons were the daddy. Eastern European gangs moved in. The whole demographic changed. "Black" areas became "white" and "white" became "black." Middle-class/Rich "white" people buy more drugs than anyone else. These are real life topics the drama incorporated during the current era it was set, my only point was it became a little stereotypical.
I wasn't "offended" by the portrayal of any character in the drama.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Another guy from the Russian states, another rant from Ronnie baby! :rolleyes:
My wife is Ukrainian, been here less than a year. She would be very offended by you
comparing a Ukrainian with a Russian, you know Russia is currently at war with the Ukrain right? Well, they deny it but in truth Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
But I appreciate your typical tactic that since you can’t debate the point you make it about the person. The lowest form of debate.
i wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone my pedigree chum. I just said another guy from the “Russian states, another rant!” For Russian states , I mean members of the old USSR. I’m sure you’ll be alright with that, or am I being Politically incorrect?
Loma - Ukrainian - Ronnie rants about him.
Kovalev - Russian - Ronnie rants about him.
Golovkin - Kazakhstani - Ronnie rants about him.
So what have I said is wrong? And as much as I don’t wish to be rude , but what the fuck has your wife’s nationality got to do with anything? Just another little smokescreen me thinks.
Btw,I wasn’t aware I used a “typical tactic” , but hey ho. :rolleyes:
Wait a minute!
Are you calling Ron racist? How dare you!
Nope.
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Loma can’t become undisputed without fighting Haney. They will say he is, just like they keep saying he’s undefeated(watch the broadcasts, 2 separate graphics had him as undefeated)just like they keep saying he won a title in his 3rd professional fight. Check fightfax, the official record keepers, it says his true record. BoxRec is just a website, nothing official about it and wrong repeatedly. I personally know multiple fighters whose records and even names are wrong on that crap site. But back to the point. You can’t lose franchise champion, you don’t fight for it. It is not on the line when he fights the Commey/Lopez winner. They can’t win undisputed when they fight him so Loma can’t win undisputed either. Whether you like Loma or not acknowledge this simple fact. Don’t help spread lies, keep it 100.
He could have fought for undisputed but he then would have been forced to fight Haney, he chooses to give up his belt rather than fight his mandatory then he IS NOT CHAMPION, a champion is required to defend his championship! Same as Alvarez, sanctioned ducking BS. Don’t spread the lie, don’t allow the lie, when someone spreads it call their BS what it is.
They only sell us what we are willing to buy, don’t buy it! It’s on his fans more than anyone to be honest, it is not a debate. The facts are clear. Be honest and get honesty. Help the lie and this sport will sell you more and more BS
Who the fuck is Devin Haney to be in any convo about Loma. lolol... the last serious convo about anyone in the lower ranks even touching Loma was Rigondeaux and we see how that wound up? lol...
The only person I want to see Loma in the ring with right now is Gervonta Davis. Everyone else can kiss my ass!
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Re: Before more lies are spread let’s clear it up fans
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Loma can’t become undisputed without fighting Haney. They will say he is, just like they keep saying he’s undefeated(watch the broadcasts, 2 separate graphics had him as undefeated)just like they keep saying he won a title in his 3rd professional fight. Check fightfax, the official record keepers, it says his true record. BoxRec is just a website, nothing official about it and wrong repeatedly. I personally know multiple fighters whose records and even names are wrong on that crap site. But back to the point. You can’t lose franchise champion, you don’t fight for it. It is not on the line when he fights the Commey/Lopez winner. They can’t win undisputed when they fight him so Loma can’t win undisputed either. Whether you like Loma or not acknowledge this simple fact. Don’t help spread lies, keep it 100.
He could have fought for undisputed but he then would have been forced to fight Haney, he chooses to give up his belt rather than fight his mandatory then he IS NOT CHAMPION, a champion is required to defend his championship! Same as Alvarez, sanctioned ducking BS. Don’t spread the lie, don’t allow the lie, when someone spreads it call their BS what it is.
They only sell us what we are willing to buy, don’t buy it! It’s on his fans more than anyone to be honest, it is not a debate. The facts are clear. Be honest and get honesty. Help the lie and this sport will sell you more and more BS
Who the fuck is Devin Haney to be in any convo about Loma. lolol... the last serious convo about anyone in the lower ranks even touching Loma was Rigondeaux and we see how that wound up? lol...
The only person I want to see Loma in the ring with right now is Gervonta Davis.
Everyone else can kiss my ass!
There is a rumor going around that Master wants to fight Loma. ;D
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� Vasyl Lomachenko responds to Devin Haney: "Who is Devin Haney, who has he defeated? How has he gained the title? How? He got the belt because I vacated and it was granted to him… No question, I am ready to fight with anyone, at any time and anywhere." [LOMA Official TV]
— Michael Benson (@MichaelBensonn) [Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]
& you “gave” me the belt why? Never asked for the belt I asked for a fight... & technically YOU didn’t give me the belt because YOU never asked to be elevated right??? [Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]
— Devin Haney (@Realdevinhaney)
To keep a running tally
They petitioned to be made franchise
The world rightly went crazy
They lied and said they didn’t petition
The world rightly went crazy
Now they say they vacated
And according to their own mouths they vacated, it CAN NOT BE FOR UNDISPUTED. I promise you more lies will come. You all need to be honest about them.
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we have to consistently deny their claims that they will fight for undisputed. They dumped their belt, they can not be undisputed
What do you consider undisputed in this day and age?
You might have missed this, so I'll quote it.
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it CAN NOT BE FOR UNDISPUTED.
What do you consider undisputed?
