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The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
This is a last ditch attempt at civil conversation between those in endless wars.
None of us is beyond some criticism, right? So can we dispense with the boulder-on-shoulder defensiveness and trying to see who can get the best quip in? Are we capable of having an honest-to-goodness conversation, even if we don't agree on many things?
Honestly... I feel none of this nonsense would last if we were all of a sudden face to face. Not because we'd kill each other, but because when face to face with someone, usually you make an attempt at getting along. I mean, we're all above 15 here, right?
So this is an open invitation for anyone to come in here and express yourselves, even if it's criticism. It'll be well accepted if it's constructively expressed.
How about it? Any takers?
First if I may..... maybe a rule or two. If you feel like you need to offend and/or insult somebody, please take it outside (another thread). We got plenty of those to go around.
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Hey look.... I'll start.
One of the hot ticket items I disagree with Lyle on is the shooting spree problem. Lyle feels (if I may, Lyle) that any attempt to resolve the issue should not include limitations on guns. Am I right?
To me, all aspects should be on the table. But we can certainly agree to disagree, right?
With Miles I disagree on the race IQ business, as I think it's oversimplifying things to assign IQ's to races. Miles (if I may) does not share that opinion and it's his right to do so. I however, will continue to argue with him about whenever the topic comes up.
On the LGBTQ issue, I feel my opinions are being misrepresented. This is a topic where I would appreciate a one on one discussion, rather than a shark feeding frenzy. I'll be happy to discuss my opinions with anyone on the subject.
I have kids, but I certainly respect the opinions of those who do not have them. Having kids is a choice, and should not disqualify you from having an opinion having to do with kids' education or upbringing.
There's more.... but I'll yield the floor.
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Sure tits can I still call you tits though
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walrus
Sure tits can I still call you tits though
You can still call me tits bro. I've been called much worse. :)
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I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
I will never be Einstein, but I will continue to strive to know and learn more. Someone with a lower IQ should perhaps strive to avoid a life of crime or potentially hurt a child by not choosing a partner well. We can all raise our level in some way. I certainly do not feel inferior or oppressed because the average white has an IQ of 100 compared to an average East Asian IQ of 106. I am competitive and strive and we all should. Marrying East Asians is the solution. Oh, I jest heartily.
You look around you and see successful and brilliant black, white, hispanic, and Asian people. It is just that a higher proportion of some of those groups have less successful outcomes than others which is best predicted by intelligence. You will never find a surgeon of 90 operating on you, but there are plenty of people with an IQ of 90 out there and they might be jolly nice too.
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To be honest though, I am not looking to argue or debate that topic as I think it has been done a fair bit already, but I think that was a post where I was reasonable, not abusive, and just argued my point as reasonably as I could showing that it can be done. It only descends when someone marches in with a 100 word scrawl starting with 'You are such a racist, elitist scumbag cunt I do not even know where to begin.......'. I sometimes find it difficult to be reasonable in return.
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I studied with many types of people. But I'll mention two types and you can make what you will out of that.
Joe (for the sake of the anecdote) had to study very hard. Learning didn't come easy to him. So basically he worked his butt off. He was never in the top 5 percent as far as GPA, but he did well enough. He graduated purely out of sheer work ethic. He knew he had to study harder than most, and he did. Today he's a successful professional, and does very well in his field.
Jack (another made up name) was the exact opposite. He could read something once and it stuck to him. But he was a bit lazy. He leaned on his amazing learning activity to get by. Didn't work hard at all... but still did well enough to graduate. Today he's doing ok... but not as well as Joe. As a professional, I'd recommend Joe over Jack any day of the week.
Now.... if given an IQ test, it's obvious Jack would score higher than Joe. But does that matter?
This is why I don't put the weight on IQ that you apparently do. Not saying it's not important. But it's not the magic predictor of success that sometimes you seem to say it is.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
To be honest though, I am not looking to argue or debate that topic as I think it has been done a fair bit already, but I think that was a post where I was reasonable, not abusive, and just argued my point as reasonably as I could showing that it can be done. It only descends when someone marches in with a 100 word scrawl starting with 'You are such a racist, elitist scumbag cunt I do not even know where to begin.......'. I sometimes find it difficult to be reasonable in return.
Yes... but this is not one of those threads. For the sake of levity, we'll call it a Safe Space..... LOL.
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I know there's a time difference, so we're not all up at the same time. But I'll leave this invitation out there.
Let's see if we're capable of civil conversation.
Give us your grievances, but please do so in a civil fashion. I think we can do that.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I studied with many types of people. But I'll mention two types and you can make what you will out of that.
Joe (for the sake of the anecdote) had to study very hard. Learning didn't come easy to him. So basically he worked his butt off. He was never in the top 5 percent as far as GPA, but he did well enough. He graduated purely out of sheer work ethic. He knew he had to study harder than most, and he did. Today he's a successful professional, and does very well in his field.
Jack (another made up name) was the exact opposite. He could read something once and it stuck to him. But he was a bit lazy. He leaned on his amazing learning activity to get by. Didn't work hard at all... but still did well enough to graduate. Today he's doing ok... but not as well as Joe. As a professional, I'd recommend Joe over Jack any day of the week.
Now.... if given an IQ test, it's obvious Jack would score higher than Joe. But does that matter?
This is why I don't put the weight on IQ that you apparently do. Not saying it's not important. But it's not the magic predictor of success that sometimes you seem to say it is.
I think what you are putting forwards there is someone who had it by nature and another by nurture and both could, let's say, at 20 do pretty well in an IQ test, but Jack just does it better. I would agree with you. Jack seems more your Oscar Wilde type where everything comes pretty easily, but then Joe is more your Orwell. Not as spectacular, but you know he is churning out the work, working at his craft and he is very solid regardless. Not dazzling the crowds, but a good worker.
Your example is an interesting one and I guess it would also depend on which fields they were to go in. The average CEO of a top firm will put in 70-80 hours a week and I think in a situation like that Jack would come unstuck such as when Wilde became an editor which did not require even a third of that and would show up more sporadically until eventually people realized he just wasn't up the minimal requirements at all. Joe, if the ability to process language is there even if not with a book in each hand and he is willing to dedicate himself, then he would likely be the better editor. I see that in the writing of Orwell. I don't think his work is dazzling in the way of a Wilde or as complex as in Dickens, but it is fantastic in a more simple way and is his own voice.
Ideally you want a smart person who is also very dedicated, but it would depend on the line of work. IQ is a predictor of success though and though there are obvious exceptions, you are typically going to find the Professor of Mathematics has a higher IQ than let's say the average police officer. Sure the police officer might be very good at what he does, but he will typically be of pretty average intelligence while the Professor will have an IQ perhaps even 150 and up. The typical surgeon will be supremely educated and need to be very responsible, by contrast the average shop worker will slyly send a text and is typically a league below, but maybe average intelligence. They have the tools to do what needs to be done. That is a huge differential though,
One shouldn't generalize too much and there will always be exceptions to the patterns. There will on occasion be a PhD taxi driver. Or a Starbucks server with a Rainman brain or what have you, but on the whole IQ will predict success. It is why prison populations do have IQ levels below the norm and why unmarried mothers do have an IQ about 10 points below that of married mothers. Of course there are very smart single Mothers but as a whole IQ does influence behavior.
See, not a single use of the word cunt. Oops, I did it. Right, I haven't even had breakfast yet and if I continue like this really will be like Joe.
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A final very quick observation is that though some argue strongly for nature, I actually do think people can be nurtured to improve intelligence and even if not intelligence, certainly improve their moral awareness thus making society a better place. That's where I have agreed that 90% of the UK primary education is solid. There is nothing wrong with that. However, some, and typically the less capable, will fall through the cracks and that is life.
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This thread needs a bump. Tits is right, a little civility goes a long way
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walrus
This thread needs a bump. Tits is right, a little civility goes a long way
Notice the absence of a certain someone from the thread.
A thread that a dozen posts in has nary a mean word in it.
Like wearing a garlic necklace to keep Dracula away.
In actuality, it's kind of a neat psychological experiment.
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Isn't 'Civil War' the strangest expression? What is civil about people of the same country killing one another?
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
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Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
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Does my brother big D need to turn every thread into a kill the white man thread? Big D can’t you make one thread and leave it at that
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Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
I will address your points one by one.
1. If you think I think black people are all stupid then you have misunderstood my points
2. How would you define dumb? If you have an IQ of 85 then you have the capacity to do something, so whatever work is available to someone of that level. However, the ones who race beyond that, and many of course do, can and will aspire to education and jobs requiring skill. Thus many black people do very well.
3. You see yourself as inferior whence barking on about the evils of white men day in day out refusing to accept you have agency. Is the white man making so many black men abandon their children? Look at the single mother rates 50 years ago and today. Surely you can see that behavior has changed and not just in the black community. The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities. Things go wrong when there are no male role models and if the mother is someone prone to making bad decisions, then you have social problems. I personally think welfare makes lazy people dependent. Get the cat on a treadmill and earn its food. Don't let it sleep all day.
4. I get no delight in statistics. They just tell us about what is real and help us explain why things are as they are. Why do you use such a big font?
5. What would I do? Cut welfare, encourage self responsibility, family planning, and let nature run its course. I do not see black people as anything other than human and like any group they can aspire to do better. Instead it is slavery this and slavery that, when even the white man was in effect a slave several centuries back too. Times change, systems change, and in this one nobody is a slave in the traditional sense. We have agency, we can choose our paths, and it is up to the individual what they do. I would cut off the welfare tap somewhat as that has only made things worse. Self improvement, be better today, so that fewer are harmed tomorrow. Can't afford a kid, then just don't have one. Don't want a kid, then don't have one. Want a kid, then love it, and work hard to do everything you can within a good relationship. That's where you start.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
I will address your points one by one.
1. If you think I think black people are all stupid then you have misunderstood my points
2. How would you define dumb? If you have an IQ of 85 then you have the capacity to do something, so whatever work is available to someone of that level. However, the ones who race beyond that, and many of course do, can and will aspire to education and jobs requiring skill. Thus many black people do very well.
3. You see yourself as inferior whence barking on about the evils of white men day in day out refusing to accept you have agency. Is the white man making so many black men abandon their children? Look at the single mother rates 50 years ago and today. Surely you can see that behavior has changed and not just in the black community. The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities. Things go wrong when there are no male role models and if the mother is someone prone to making bad decisions, then you have social problems. I personally think welfare makes lazy people dependent. Get the cat on a treadmill and earn its food. Don't let it sleep all day.
4. I get no delight in statistics. They just tell us about what is real and help us explain why things are as they are. Why do you use such a big font?
5. What would I do? Cut welfare, encourage self responsibility, family planning, and let nature run its course. I do not see black people as anything other than human and like any group they can aspire to do better. Instead it is slavery this and slavery that, when even the white man was in effect a slave several centuries back too. Times change, systems change, and in this one nobody is a slave in the traditional sense. We have agency, we can choose our paths, and it is up to the individual what they do. I would cut off the welfare tap somewhat as that has only made things worse. Self improvement, be better today, so that fewer are harmed tomorrow. Can't afford a kid, then just don't have one. Don't want a kid, then don't have one. Want a kid, then love it, and work hard to do everything you can within a good relationship. That's where you start.
Miles I’m trying to corral brother D into his own thread
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Originally Posted by
walrus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
I will address your points one by one.
1. If you think I think black people are all stupid then you have misunderstood my points
2. How would you define dumb? If you have an IQ of 85 then you have the capacity to do something, so whatever work is available to someone of that level. However, the ones who race beyond that, and many of course do, can and will aspire to education and jobs requiring skill. Thus many black people do very well.
3. You see yourself as inferior whence barking on about the evils of white men day in day out refusing to accept you have agency. Is the white man making so many black men abandon their children? Look at the single mother rates 50 years ago and today. Surely you can see that behavior has changed and not just in the black community. The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities. Things go wrong when there are no male role models and if the mother is someone prone to making bad decisions, then you have social problems. I personally think welfare makes lazy people dependent. Get the cat on a treadmill and earn its food. Don't let it sleep all day.
4. I get no delight in statistics. They just tell us about what is real and help us explain why things are as they are. Why do you use such a big font?
5. What would I do? Cut welfare, encourage self responsibility, family planning, and let nature run its course. I do not see black people as anything other than human and like any group they can aspire to do better. Instead it is slavery this and slavery that, when even the white man was in effect a slave several centuries back too. Times change, systems change, and in this one nobody is a slave in the traditional sense. We have agency, we can choose our paths, and it is up to the individual what they do. I would cut off the welfare tap somewhat as that has only made things worse. Self improvement, be better today, so that fewer are harmed tomorrow. Can't afford a kid, then just don't have one. Don't want a kid, then don't have one. Want a kid, then love it, and work hard to do everything you can within a good relationship. That's where you start.
Miles I’m trying to corral brother D into his own thread
I think Denilson was being fairly civil until the 'go down fighting' part. It was a relatively game effort though.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
You're in the wrong thread, Denilson. You have a dozen other threads in which to spout your racist nonsense. This one specifically says is for keeping it civil...... although kudos to @Dark Lord Al for putting things perfectly into perspective.
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On another note..... interesting to see the absence of "Fenny & Beanie" from this thread, which the laconic (British term for... oops... never mind... it's a civil thread) Fenny called (cough) "bait."
A thread that attempts to establish civil conversation between currently combatant posters is called "bait" by one of Saddo's "esteemed" Mods. Hmm.... interesting indeed.
My theory is that said Mod only thrives on hostility, anger and confrontation.
Thus any attempt at civil conversation is ignored and/or scorned.
Oh well.... c'est la vie.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
On another note..... interesting to see the absence of "Fenny & Beanie" from this thread, which the laconic (British term for... oops... never mind... it's a civil thread) Fenny called (cough) "bait."
A thread that attempts to establish civil conversation between currently combatant posters is called "bait" by one of Saddo's "esteemed" Mods. Hmm.... interesting indeed.
My theory is that said Mod only thrives on hostility, anger and confrontation.
Thus any attempt at civil conversation is ignored and/or scorned.
Oh well.... c'est la vie.
I seriously didn’t think he was calling this one bait. I figured I probably said something stupid in another thread which I do a lot and there is no way I could keep track. I found this to be an honest attempt by my man tits to cool things down I don’t see that as bait. Agreeing with you is bait?
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
On another note..... interesting to see the absence of "Fenny & Beanie" from this thread, which the laconic (British term for... oops... never mind... it's a civil thread) Fenny called (cough) "bait."
A thread that attempts to establish civil conversation between currently combatant posters is called "bait" by one of Saddo's "esteemed" Mods. Hmm.... interesting indeed.
My theory is that said Mod only thrives on hostility, anger and confrontation.
Thus any attempt at civil conversation is ignored and/or scorned.
Oh well.... c'est la vie.
I seriously didn’t think he was calling this one bait. I figured I probably said something stupid in another thread which I do a lot and there is no way I could keep track. I found this to be an honest attempt by my man tits to cool things down I don’t see that as bait. Agreeing with you is bait?
Good man. :)
You've taken the spirit of this thread above and beyond with that last comment. Throwing Fenny (of "Beanie & Fenny") a bone. "You........ you're good you!"
But Fenny (of "Beanie & Fenny") said the following:
"Are you disappointed nobody took the bait in your good buddy Tito's thread?"
My only started threads before this one were a Ruiz-Joshua poll.... an arcade problem thread.... and a transphobic quiz.
And Fenny (of "Beanie & Fenny") could not have been referring to that one, since if so then he took the "bait" by answering the quiz and twisting the definition of the word "pervert" which actually applies to him.
So no....... I'm pretty sure Fenny (of "Beanie & Fenny") meant THIS thread.
But we've regressed.
We must go back to discussing current issues civilly and maturely, and leave the Denilsons and Fennys (of "Beanie and Fenny") of this world to crash the thread with their racism (the former) and antagonism (the latter).
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
You're in the wrong thread, Denilson. You have a dozen other threads in which to spout your racist nonsense. This one specifically says is for keeping it civil...... although kudos to @
Dark Lord Al for putting things perfectly into perspective.
Says the guy who posted a picture of a bridge and suggested another poster not only jump from it to their death, but be sure to post a picture before doing so. TitoFan you would not know civil if it came up politely and told you you to remove your head from your own bottom.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
Ah..... an appearance by one of the famed "Fenny & Beanie" brothers.
My dear Beanie. You've got plenty of other threads in which to spill your vitriol and hatred. Why not leave this one for its original intent, which is to come in here only if you have something constructive to say in a polite, civil, and mature fashion.
I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of other threads if this one is not to your liking.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
You are not inferior, you just have a very deep rooted complex. Nobody is denying you your rights, or saying you cannot be a better person, or stopping you from doing well and I have said that many do, just as many whites do not.
In fact you have claimed to be doing well which is great considering how racist you consider society to be. Did you also mention being a father? If so I hope you treat your wife well and shower your child with love.
I'm all for good old fashioned decency. To be honest, you raise interesting points at times, and are precise with your language which are are worthy attributes.
When I say I will beat you in an IQ test, it is partly because I am a competitive and sometimes arrogant man. I think I will beat a good 80% of the population fairly easily regardless of race. It's just the way I am. I don't think you are in any way a dummy though. I just think you have a massive chip on your shoulder over race. It is kind of pointless.
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Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
You are not inferior, you just have a very deep rooted complex. Nobody is denying you your rights, or saying you cannot be a better person, or stopping you from doing well and I have said that many do, just as many whites do not.
In fact you have claimed to be doing well which is great considering how racist you consider society to be. Did you also mention being a father? If so I hope you treat your wife well and shower your child with love.
I'm all for good old fashioned decency. To be honest, you raise interesting points at times, and are precise with your language which are are worthy attributes.
When I say I will beat you in an IQ test, it is partly because I am a competitive and sometimes arrogant man. I think I will beat a good 80% of the population fairly easily regardless of race. It's just the way I am. I don't think you are in any way a dummy though. I just think you have a massive chip on your shoulder over race. It is kind of pointless.
Miles that was a very nice post, worthy of being in the "Can We Keep it Civil Thread".
TBH a hell of a lot more civil than I would've been, so good for you on that.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
encourage self responsibility, family planning
What does that mean ? How do you encourage self responsibility, family planning in system of racism - white surpemacy
You talk in vague cliches . Talk specific
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
and let nature run its course.
What does that mean ? Talk specific. Once again vague.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not see black people as anything other than human and like any group they can aspire to do better.
You are making an explicatory argument.
You’re saying black IQ is lower, in general, because blacks are “naturally” less intelligent. That sort of exceptionally radical statement needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up. Proof you don't have.
The racial designations that we currently use are principally based on three characteristics.
!) Facial structure
2) Skin color
3) Hair texture.
Those are things that are controlled by six genes out of thirty thousand genes in the human genome and those genes have never been shown by any geneticist on the planet, any biologist on the planet, to be connected, or what geneticists call “concordant,” with any other trait known as intelligence
But let me take a wild guess. You’ll concede that blacks are better at bouncing balls, running fast, and brute strength and also funny. Right ? But not that smart and Asians are human calculators and are therefore good at science. They’re smart, but can’t think individually and aren’t creative.
But whites are really the genetically chosen ones.
What a surprise
The people who have the best mix of genes and abilities to make them the natural leaders of the world. Their genetics makes them overall dominant, even if they do make a few small concessions to other races here and there.
You assume “race” in humans as a biological fact without delivering a precise, uncontested biological definition
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Instead it is slavery this and slavery that,
You brought up slavery. Not me.
Slavery was merely a big part of a system of white supremacy (e.g. Slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc.) that explicitly and overtly benefitted whites economically, socially and legally well into the 1970s
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
when even the white man was in effect a slave several centuries back too.
True.
But what you leave out is that white men (like say Irish men who were mainly slaves) got to where they are because of racism.
The Irish did not suffer from hundreds of years of slavery - Because they were White.
The Irish could vote by the 1860s, not the 1960s – Because they were White.
The Irish qualified for the Homestead Act, the G.I. Bill and FHA loans – Because they were White.
The Irish could live in nice neighbourhoods and go to nice schools – Because they were White.
And whatever stereotypes white men who were slaves have had they does not impact them now.
If you fill out a job application TODAY : No one cares if you are Irish.
- No one follows you around in the store.
- No one assumes you are lazy.
- No one assumes your child-like and can’t take care of yourself.
- No one assumes you're criminal.
- No one tells you are so much better off in America so you should be glad your ancestors were slaves.
- No one acts like they did you a favor or saved you from a backwardness.
- No one displays your human reminds as primitive until the late 70s.
- You don't have to radically change/permanently alter a feature of your body to become accepted or get employment (like hair for example).
You're just another white person.
The same cannot be said for a black person. And how does this relates to slavery ?
The stereotypes were created during slavery as an excuse for enslaving blacks (we are childlike and need guidance, can’t take of ourselves need white help/masters, black women are sex-hungry, baby making machines to explain all the mixed children running around).
Or they were created after slavery to keep whites at the top and blacks at the bottom.
These stereotypes of blacks are to this day are still widely held and even defended by white folks and a few misguided blacks.
None of them are new. They are very old and they are based in slavery and it’s immediate aftermath.
White men never dealt with legalized segregation. Never were they treated as livestock rather than people in this country. All this shape- shifting sh*t your doing to try and claim that you don’t have white privilege or have not participated in a white supremacist society.
I think it's grotesque and monumentally repugnant of white ppl who want to own victim-hood whilst being FUCKING steeped in white privilege and patronizingly conflate their specific white ethnic problems within white dominance and project that onto black people and foist upon the very people (Black people) who have absolutely nothing to do with their (Irish) past oppression,
And THEN you try to equate your history as similar to that of black history, thereby relinquishing any culpability emanating from THEIR OWN oppression/racism of black people all the while enjoying the ill-gotten fruits of white superiority.
Why don't you direct your complaints of ‘Irish oppression’ to you fellow white Anglo-Saxon brethren ? Why to Black people?
Black people have never enslaved or oppressed white people.
You have the nerve to sit there trying to garner sympathy whilst exonerating yourself of racism, from the very people (Black people) whom whites oppress and continue to do so.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Times change, systems change,
Not really.
Black people according to:
- Thomas Jefferson in 1787: less intelligence, more sex drive, more likely to break the law, less self-control
- Guys like you in 2019 : less intelligence, more sex drive, more likely to break the law, less self-control
Science makes progress though discovery and disproof. It tries to knock down its own ideas because disproof is way easier than proof. It loves facts that do not fit because they point to new ideas and discoveries.
True science would find surprises, it would challenge old ideas, it would deepen our understanding. Guys like you do none of that – you just puts a fresh coat of paint of long words on ideas that go back to the slave owners and slave traders of the 1700s.
Guys like you never makes new discoveries that go against its claims.
And that's thing, white people have been saying black people are stupid for over 250 years. Long before the IQ. But you guys act like, everything was hunky dory and this IQ thing and enlightened everyone.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
and in this one nobody is a slave in the traditional sense.
Racism is slavery.
Black kids are punished more harshly than white kids for minor behavioral infractions, even if they commit those infractions no more frequently than whites.
Black children are tracked into basic and remedial level classes while white kids are tracked into advanced and honors classes (whether or not they show promise and even sometimes quite a bit less)
- Why are predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ?
- Why are predominantly Black school districts under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ?
- Why are predominantly Black school districts denied books ?
- Why are predominantly Black school districts denied microscopes and other lab equipment ?
- Why are predominantly Black school districts always have hazardous waste near by black schools ?
- Why are predominantly Black school districts always have to cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?
Because of the system of white supremacy.
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4. I get no delight in statistics. They just tell us about what is real and help us explain why things are as they are. Why do you use such a big font?
No they don't.
You can't manipulate stats to mean what ever you want. Let's use a simple example
The stats show that more people get killed in cars than by Crocodiles
So I mean, according to the stats, Cars are more dangerous than Crocs. Right ? That's what the stats show
So in that case you'd rather be stuck in room with a Croc than a Car. Right ?
No ans that's the point.
No one talks about racism without using instinct. There’s no factual way to go about it. It's shortsighted for people to argue that they discuss things “objectively” and there is no objective way to do so. That’s like saying, “Let’s talk about war objectively” If it wasn’t important on a personal level, it wouldn’t be important enough to talk about. Hence why you don’t hear people talking about why 2 + 2 = 4 very much.
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I will address your points one by one.
OK. Another white supremacists that will try to masquerade their internal chaos into a form of rationality
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1. If you think I think black people are all stupid then you have misunderstood my points
You don’t even have a leg to stand on as long as you don’t deliver a clear definition of what you actually write about.
If you’re saying that physical features determine “race” which exactly are those features ? Applying circular logic, the answer would be “the features group members share based on their region of origin”. And then again, what are those features ?
And no it's not because everyone is the same.
There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups (and more so than many have heretofore believed) Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.
It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” and might there not be other equally valid ways of dividing humans into taxonomical groupings ?
We acknowledge that human beings adapt to their geography to some extent – but not enough to become different *kinds* of human beings.
Now, if you choose to call the differences in groups “races” it stretches the original meaning of the word.
But let’s accept that for a moment. You want races so badly, then guess what ?
I'll give them to you.
But you’re going to need more races (based on genetic variance) than they culled of in the past centuries. And the races won’t be arbitrarily colour-coordinated. There will be several European races, many Asian races, and a large number of African races.
There is no resistance to accept “race” as a biological concept
The point is, there is no scientific proof for it. Full stop. However, the fact that is truly remarkable in all of this is how keen certain people are on proving the biological validity. Or to see it proven. All that effort would be much better invested in research for genetically based disorders.
It’s also understandable when serious scientists (like me) are sick and fucking tired of debunking guys like you over and over again. After all, I'm busy enough with proper research that might become truly beneficial for mankind.
And how about “White people or "Asians”
They are certainly less genetically diverse than Blacks, but they obviously have genetic variance between say… Scandinavians and Italians or Anglo Saxons and Spaniards… but evidently, those genetic differences are somehow never linked to intelligence ?
Guys like you don't want to theorize on which group of White or Asian people are the least intelligent.
Who are the genetically dumber and disadvantaged Whites ?
If there is enough genetic difference for them to have different hair color, eye color and different average height, then why not intelligence?
The answer is because this is not science, it’s politics and to ask that question does not serve the political goals of guys like you.
You don’t want to face the idea that you might belong to the dumbest group of White or Asian people in your little hierarchy. So you theorize that “Whiteness” or "Asian-ness" simply makes all Whites and Asian just as capable, and all Blacks equally disadvantaged.
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2. How would you define dumb?
You are the one who is making the claim. This is why I don't like getting into debates with guys like you because you don't know what the fk you talking
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3. You see yourself as inferior whence barking on about the evils of white men day in day out refusing to accept you have agency.
Yes I am inferior. I can't compete with you white man (lol) Your the man. Your so intellectually superior to me I can't compete.
Now what ?
What do you do with a race of inferior black people ?
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Is the white man making so many black men abandon their children? Look at the single mother rates 50 years ago and today. Surely you can see that behavior has changed and not just in the black community.
What you are saying is false and a lie and see this is a common thing white supremacist try to do.
They say a lie like "Black people commit 70% of murders" and then they try to get black people to defend that lie
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...69&oe=5E0EB464
First off can you explain to me why Iceland (One of the whitest countries you can find ? Has the highest rates for father-lesness ?
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...fc&oe=5DD445D8
Why would a white person want to talk about black illegitimacy ? You don't care. Because if you were truly concerned about illegitimacy, you'd also be just as concerned about white illegitimacy too.
Your understanding of the Black community. Out of wedlock birth does not mean what conservative whites project it does in Black households. Most of those children still have two parents that just decided to cohabit instead of marry. That phenomenon isn't just taking place in Black America, some all white European nations also have exceedingly high out of wedlock births.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8f&oe=5DD808C5
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The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/ZqlvC...&rid=200w.webp
This is just "I'm and I say so"
@Gandalf says "The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities"
Questioneer "How do you ?"
@Gandalf
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Things go wrong when there are no male role models and if the mother is someone prone to making bad decisions, then you have social problems.
Barack Obama was the perfect black man. He had no kids out of wedlock. Happy marriage. Didn't do crime or drugs. Went 2 Harvard. Good role model for kids
And as I've said many times say what you want about his presidency
Him personally ?
There was not 1% of personal scandal on that term throughout his two terms
Did that stop him from getting racism ?
No.
So once again - What point are you trying to make ?
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I personally think welfare makes lazy people dependent. Get the cat on a treadmill and earn its food. Don't let it sleep all day.
Well in that case then you should look the white community
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...41&oe=5DE021EA
The real welfare queens are uneducated single and white and the the biggest beneficiaries of the government safety net is working-class whites also where is your outrage over corporate welfare ? That's where most welfare spending goes all to the top 1%
Once again.
Your talking point sound good on stormfront. They sound good when your around family and friends. They sound good when no-one is there to check them
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:vd: Man! Not another thread polluted by this white supremacist racist bullshit. :vd:
Hey Denny. I think Beanie said something white supremacy-ish on another thread. If I were you I'd go find out what it is and let him have it.
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Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.
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If you have an IQ of 85 then you have the capacity to do something, so whatever work is available to someone of that level. However, the ones who race beyond that, and many of course do, can and will aspire to education and jobs requiring skill. Thus many black people do very well.
This is just code for you really wanting to say
"N*ggers. Know your place. I mean. I don't hate you. But c'mon, your not as smart as us white people. everyone knows. You need to know your station and place in life and everything will be just fine"
See here's the thing.
What I can not understand is this : Why can’t you be just a racist ? Why do you need these pseudos scientifical explanations? What is wrong with racism? You do promote it, so why be a shame of it? Why you just can not say; “N****s are stupid.”? Why do you feel the need to have “scientifical crutches”?
That is mystery to me.
It's like in the bell curve were they basically suggests that we might as well stop making progress in further research for finding the true factors and blindly accept them as a natural law.
Like you they think they have found the ultimate explanation of “everything” and any other research can halt now. But then, at the same time, they take a nostalgic look backwards to philosophies of long gone centuries where the unwashed masses of dumb sheep are at the mercy of an elite. An elite who alone have the power to choose when they are generous and when they are punitive.
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I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.
I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.
What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?
I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day
I don't give a sh*t about that
You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black
YES YOU ARE
Happy now ?
Now what ?
And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"
And guess what ?
If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"
I'd be like
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And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"
Once again I'd be like
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vcKEs...&rid=200w.webp
And I'd go down fighting
Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time
Period.
He explains the points so people like you can understand. It isn't about you being black or white is just because you are a total fuckwit with a inferiority complex, nobody else here gives a crap about colour only you.
Beanz is a jew , I am white , Rey is Hispanic , Master is Indian and your a cunt, see we didnt need to bring colour into it to prove a point.
Yes I'm inferior. Yes I'm a fkwit
Now what ?
Get to the doing part.
I pity you , live in a slum , have race issues and worship a death cult.
I am not sure if its sad or fucking laughable.
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Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.
OK.
And let's go all the way with this. Don't wimp out. Don't chicken out. Don't make jokes.
Let's go all the way.
Let's unpack this all the way.
And let's see who makes more sense. OK ?
I mean. I pretty much know what your gonna say because I know how you think because I've debated with white supremacist you all my life. But anyway
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:vd: Man! Not another thread polluted by this white supremacist racist bullshit. :vd:
Hey Denny. I think Beanie said something white supremacy-ish on another thread. If I were you I'd go find out what it is and let him have it.
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Fetch Denny! Fetch! Go get Beanie! He's spreading all sorts of vicious white supremacist bullshit on another thread.
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https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
For what it’s worth IQ by country, the US isn’t too smart
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Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.
OK.
And let's go all the way with this. Don't wimp out. Don't chicken out. Don't make jokes.
Let's go all the way.
Let's unpack this all the way.
And let's see who makes more sense. OK ?
I mean. I pretty much know what your gonna say because I know how you think because I've debated with white supremacist you all my life. But anyway
By labeling everyone as a white supremacist you have pigeon holed 850,000,000 people. About 11% of the worlds population. You must live in constant fear, they are everywhere