All of this loma and spence jr talk is disrespectful. stop it!;D
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All of this loma and spence jr talk is disrespectful. stop it!;D
In a way it feels like Crawford was bigger maxing out his hometown crowds. I do believe Arum has proven to be his anchor and he needs to cut free. The odd thing is a 41 yr old Manny has done more or at least run equal to what 'the two best' have managed in a year.
Bud has great potential and skills, but I’m not convinced he’s the monster everyone else makes him out to be. His most notable (I hesitate to say impressive) wins are against Horn, Gamboa, and Khan. Horn was rugged but given a robbery over Manny, Gamboa was running circles around him until the size differential proved too much, and Khan was damaged goods.
Not saying Crawford won’t turn out to be a truly great fighter and p4p talent, I just can’t see how you can rank him over guys like Loma, Canelo, Usyk...etc., when they have faced and beaten superior competition. Agree that Arum and TR are likely preventing Bud from facing top competition around his weight, but he doesn’t seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. Once he beats a top guy at 147 I will feel more comfortable with him being such a highly rated fighter. I can’t help remember how unbeatable Donald Curry looked until he faced top/elite competition....
The cobra had 6 defences unified the division and beat a then undefeated Marlon Starling (twice) and McCrory.
I'm getting a feeling we are treating CRawford like we did Mayweather for a long while. Let us not end up like Larry Merchant and his biased hating on greatness, hyping up second tier top talent... and dissing the man.
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Floyd beat the great Genaro Hernandez and undefeated, p4p ranked Diego Corrales, in addition to Jesus Chavez (undefeated), Carlos Famoso Hernandez, tough Justin Juuko, and excellent Angel Manfredy at 130 (his first weight class). That is, by far, MUCH better co petition than Bud has faced in all three of his weight classes combined. Bud is a solid fighter, but at this point he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath/sentence as Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford is ruining his career with Top rank and for some reason he isn’t bothered..looks as though he’s happy he will never fight Spence..all he does is talk “that other side of the road” bollocks.
Spence should get the bigger percentage as he is fighting the better opponents and has x2 of the belts..Crawford tied himself into a long contract for top rank for this reason.
This is the same Crawford that told Joe rogan that even without Spence he is in the hall of fame..
I'm with that too but the only thing in fairness to Crawford is Mayweather being groomed out of the Olympics. Surely both guys had top skills that shined but on totally different platforms. At the same point in first 5 years Mayweather was headlining major HBO cards for a couple of Million while Crawford was coming in on 3 days notice for 100K to ride a Brandon Rios undercard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodFloyd beat the great Genaro Hernandez and undefeated, p4p ranked Diego Corrales, in addition to Jesus Chavez (undefeated), Carlos Famoso Hernandez, tough Justin Juuko, and excellent Angel Manfredy at 130 (his first weight class). That is, by far, MUCH better co petition than Bud has faced in all three of his weight classes combined. Bud is a solid fighter, but at this point he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath/sentence as Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
More reason why I feel I’m not disrespecting Crawford by not ranking him in my top 4 or 5 p4p at this time. I don’t doubt his skills at all, and can see him ascending to be the top p4p guy one day. Just think it is ludicrous to say he is hands down the number one p4p and it is disrespectful if you don’t rank him that high. He has to face and beat elite competition before I rank him over guys who have been fighting and beating killers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'm with that too but the only thing in fairness to Crawford is Mayweather being groomed out of the Olympics. Surely both guys had top skills that shined but on totally different platforms. At the same point in first 5 years Mayweather was headlining major HBO cards for a couple of Million while Crawford was coming in on 3 days notice for 100K to ride a Brandon Rios undercard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodFloyd beat the great Genaro Hernandez and undefeated, p4p ranked Diego Corrales, in addition to Jesus Chavez (undefeated), Carlos Famoso Hernandez, tough Justin Juuko, and excellent Angel Manfredy at 130 (his first weight class). That is, by far, MUCH better co petition than Bud has faced in all three of his weight classes combined. Bud is a solid fighter, but at this point he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath/sentence as Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford doesn’t make my top 5 yet. Think about it, Manny at 40 just beat a guy light years better than anyone Crawford has ever faced. Just in his weight class Spence, Porter, Thurman, Manny, and Danny Garcia have all faced MUCH tougher competition. He doesn’t deserve to be number one or two at this point.
This is why p4p is a crock of shit in my opinion. Personally , I think it’s a toss up between Inoue and Crawford and perhaps Loma who is the best Boxer on the planet.
However, if you had to pick a p4p no.1 at the moment, it probably has to be Canelo. 4 weight World Champion with more “names” on his record than all the rest put together!
Now we all know that behind the “facts” there are mitigating factors.
But the problem is with p4p ratings, there’s no hard and fast rule of thumb. It’s all about what you like or dislike.
I would have Usyk above both Crawford and Loma, or at least in the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
You very VERY feel?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI would have Usyk above both Crawford and Loma, or at least in the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Yeh I don't see a disrespect to Crawford either that's a case for Crawford and Arum to prover otherwise. I've always looked at p4p and the whole subjective cluster as more of a marketing tag and in regards to Mayweather and Crawford was talking of how they arrived. For me p4p boils mainly down to opposition and consistency and though Crawford clearly has top notch skill it has yet to fully shine as bright compared to Usyk or a Loma.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodMore reason why I feel I’m not disrespecting Crawford by not ranking him in my top 4 or 5 p4p at this time. I don’t doubt his skills at all, and can see him ascending to be the top p4p guy one day. Just think it is ludicrous to say he is hands down the number one p4p and it is disrespectful if you don’t rank him that high. He has to face and beat elite competition before I rank him over guys who have been fighting and beating killers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'm with that too but the only thing in fairness to Crawford is Mayweather being groomed out of the Olympics. Surely both guys had top skills that shined but on totally different platforms. At the same point in first 5 years Mayweather was headlining major HBO cards for a couple of Million while Crawford was coming in on 3 days notice for 100K to ride a Brandon Rios undercard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodFloyd beat the great Genaro Hernandez and undefeated, p4p ranked Diego Corrales, in addition to Jesus Chavez (undefeated), Carlos Famoso Hernandez, tough Justin Juuko, and excellent Angel Manfredy at 130 (his first weight class). That is, by far, MUCH better co petition than Bud has faced in all three of his weight classes combined. Bud is a solid fighter, but at this point he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath/sentence as Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford doesn’t make my top 5 yet. Think about it, Manny at 40 just beat a guy light years better than anyone Crawford has ever faced. Just in his weight class Spence, Porter, Thurman, Manny, and Danny Garcia have all faced MUCH tougher competition. He doesn’t deserve to be number one or two at this point.
[QUOTE=mikeeod;1534445][QUOTE=Spicoli;1534294][QUOTE=mikeeod;1534084]So True.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford hasn’t touched any of the top dogs at 147 and I think there’s no reason why a 40 year old Pac couldn't beat him..Crawford has went down in my estimation and needs to have 3 fights in 2020...Spence, Porter/Garcia, Pac/Thurman.
[QUOTE=imp;1535020][QUOTE=mikeeod;1534445][QUOTE=Spicoli;1534294]“No reason”, I can think of 1 very definitive reason Manny cannot beat him. Manny won’t fight him. Crawford begged for the fight for years, Bob approached Manny about it repeatedly, Manny always refused.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodSo True.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford hasn’t touched any of the top dogs at 147 and I think there’s no reason why a 40 year old Pac couldn't beat him..Crawford has went down in my estimation and needs to have 3 fights in 2020...Spence, Porter/Garcia, Pac/Thurman.
Boxing is so messed up where guys that turn down fights are elevated above the fighters they turned down.
[QUOTE=Ron Swanson;1535022][QUOTE=imp;1535020][QUOTE=mikeeod;1534445]I actually like that reasoning. Crawford wanted to fight Pacquiao but he wouldn’t do it. Not Crawford’s fault. Crawford has called out other welters. They don’t want to fight him. Not his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli“No reason”, I can think of 1 very definitive reason Manny cannot beat him. Manny won’t fight him. Crawford begged for the fight for years, Bob approached Manny about it repeatedly, Manny always refused.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodSo True.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Crawford hasn’t touched any of the top dogs at 147 and I think there’s no reason why a 40 year old Pac couldn't beat him..Crawford has went down in my estimation and needs to have 3 fights in 2020...Spence, Porter/Garcia, Pac/Thurman.
Boxing is so messed up where guys that turn down fights are elevated above the fighters they turned down.
It’s hard to keep someone so good out of that top spot or two just because others refuse to fight him. He cleaned out 140. He fought everyone he could. He has fought whoever possible at welterweight.
Crawford needs to leave Top Rank Asap..he deserves no more than 60-40% against Spence..Crawford has done nothing at 147 and this is his prime.
Wasted talent.
He knew what he was doing when he resigned with Arum. Nice easy fights, long career, decent paydays is what he wants.