Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
There you go.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Master
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Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
Next question, did you think Taylor beat Catterall?
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
i thought he lost to jack. not to pick on your list it is nowhere as bad as terence, errol & tyson but do you consider inactivity? el gallo has been out a minute & i thought he lost to chocolatito
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
Next question, did you think Taylor beat Catterall?
Catterall should have got the decision.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
i thought he lost to jack. not to pick on your list it is nowhere as bad as terence, errol & tyson but do you consider inactivity? el gallo has been out a minute & i thought he lost to chocolatito
Chocolatito should have got the decision.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
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NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
Next question, did you think Taylor beat Catterall?
Catterall should have got the decision.
So you think Taylor lost his last fight, which , regardless of the decision, wouldn’t be particularly impressive.
Certainly not impressive enough to be called one of the 5 best boxers on the planet at any weight, wouldn’t you agree?
Look, I’ve written on here many times before, that P4P is a pathetic concept.
All it is good for is to work out the best 2 or 3 boxers on the planet. Start going any deeper than that and it borders on the ridiculous.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
Josh is undisputed at the weight and still remains undefeated. One bad fight should not take away all the good work he has done in his career.
One question. If Catterall was given the decision, would you still be ok with Josh Taylor at #5 ?
No, he would be down maybe even out of the top 10.
Next question, did you think Taylor beat Catterall?
Catterall should have got the decision.
So you think Taylor lost his last fight, which , regardless of the decision, wouldn’t be particularly impressive.
Certainly not impressive enough to be called one of the 5 best boxers on the planet at any weight, wouldn’t you agree?
Look, I’ve written on here many times before, that P4P is a pathetic concept.
All it is good for is to work out the best 2 or 3 boxers on the planet. Start going any deeper than that and it borders on the ridiculous.
True, it is very subjective and can be open to supporting your favourite fighter's. Josh got very lucky and he could have been more humble but he is still the champion. I thought Golovkin beat Canelo twice but officially it was a draw and loss.
I agree with you on Crawford.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
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ykdadamaja
NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
you don't have oleksandr above terence?
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TIC
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
you don't have oleksandr above terence?
No, of course not. Usyk is a Wonderful Boxer, with an amazing Amateur record. But it’s got to be judged on the pro career surely? And yes he hoovered up the CW Division with ease, but CW is a notoriously shallow division.
And he’s beaten AJ.
To be honest, even if he beats AJ again, then Fury, I probably still wouldn’t have him at #1.
Re: NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?
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Primo Carnera
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TIC
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
you don't have oleksandr above terence?
No, of course not. Usyk is a Wonderful Boxer, with an amazing Amateur record. But it’s got to be judged on the pro career surely? And yes he hoovered up the CW Division with ease, but CW is a notoriously shallow division.
And he’s beaten AJ.
To be honest, even if he beats AJ again, then Fury, I probably still wouldn’t have him at #1.
yes judged on pro career. oleksandr's run to unify was much tougher than terence's & he stepped up to the big men & won unified belts. i think inoue is even ahead of terence
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
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Primo Carnera
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ykdadamaja
NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
Spence is my favorite fighter but I have Bud, I think he’s more natural, I think he takes advantage of Spence pausing and thinking. Getting stuck in what he does rather than being fluid. But who knows, maybe Bud can’t take the physicality. That’s why they have to fight.
I’ve long touted Inoue but he needs to learn to take his head off the platter or his chin will fail him sooner or later and it will be a sharp decline. Tuck that chin and maximize your abilities young man
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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ykdadamaja
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ykdadamaja
NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...
I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...
1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.
Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.
Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.
So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. :rolleyes: Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.
You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?
Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.
Spence is my favorite fighter but I have Bud, I think he’s more natural, I think he takes advantage of Spence pausing and thinking. Getting stuck in what he does rather than being fluid. But who knows, maybe Bud can’t take the physicality. That’s why they have to fight.
I’ve long touted Inoue but he needs to learn to take his head off the platter or his chin will fail him sooner or later and it will be a sharp decline. Tuck that chin and maximize your abilities young man
I hope you’re right about Crawford, and fair comment about Inoue. But until he gets tagged, he’s very exciting to watch.
