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So Dr. Seuss now. Wtf is going on here.
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So Dr. Seuss now. Wtf is going on here.
I read one book showed (((gasp))) an Asian using chopsticks and another showed Africans wearing clothing made of grass. I HOPE to God they didnt show an Arab riding a camel or a Mexican with a sombrero FFS...Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Not only are Dr. Suess books being banned, it goes back to the 1980s when Jesse Jackson attempted to diversify their characters
https://youtu.be/OMB6WYdXBd4
Good point and another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggtt6gPt1AU
As per usual you've got all in a tizzy by something on Fox News or talk radio. Nobody is banning these books. The people who own the copyright are not going to keep printing them and they're doing this to protect whatever commercial worth the rest of the books have in the future.
Let's have a look and see which side is really into banning books. Keep scrolling you fucking one eyed idiot:
https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1366670961504882688
And because you won't read that far:
But wait, I've heard that schools DO ban books. Those filthy liberals with their cancel culture. So, I went to the Google to look up a list of the most banned books last year because that's a thing anyone with internet can do.
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And I found out that for the most recent year for which we have data (2019), of the 10 books most challenged and banned, *EIGHT* of them were solely because of LGBTQ themes. It seems social conservatives have worked overtime to, uh, "cancel" LGBTQ books.
Keep reading.
Ok, now I see. I wasn't aware the new Liberals want to take us out argument is :
1. Dr. Suess
2. Mr. Potato head.
Reminds me of when they went warpath on Barney The Dinasour
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...053-story.html
"Barney is very much politically correct and liberal in its agenda. He leads kids into a world of miracles and fantasy. It's a New Age philosophy which is the antithesis to the Scripture."
--Right Wing Televangelist
Rather than discuss all the right wing preachers that went contrary to their bible and made prophecies- that turned out just wrong. Rather than to question why is a president being honored with an image made of gold, placed on gold colns. Rather than discuss how in the hell did our state capitial get overrun for 2 HOURS with no real response, they decide the best thing to talk about is Mr. Potato head going mister-less and Dr.Seuss, what god backs these people---so I can stay away from that pagan.
Or, the time their right wing media, tv, radio, cable- went on an tangent about Square Bob Sponge pants.
SpongeBob SquarePants has been assailed by some conservatives as a cunning attempt to advocate homosexuality.
SpongeBob and Homosexuality Sponge Bob, Barney promote 'gay' tolerance
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evil...osexuality.htm
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...ds-video_x.htm
What a group- Their narrative has gone from look at liberals' gay purple dinasour, their faggoty sponge bob & their desire to take away Mr. from a friggin potato & now Dr. Suess....these are the issues Trump supporters not only find pressing, as a result it is in the media (their discontentment)...yet they will lie and say- Why isn't it being talked about?
While it is being talked about.:(
You need to find out what’s actually go on in the US before you make yourself look more stupid. No one is in a tizzy here just pointing out the stupidityQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
"Tizzy for your Thoughts"
by Kirk-o-Land-O-Lakes
Up in a tizzy
Knickers in a right twist
Kirk listens to Thin Lizzy
And slapped Walrus on the wrist
But Walrus aint down for that shit
He will antique your ass like Persian rug
And if you keep doing it
He will squash you like a bug
See knick-knacks n shits
Are good investments, Laing
We know you know about pieces and bits
And dont drive no Mustang
So keep up the good work Kirk
Your duties you cannot shirk
And if you need a little perk:
You can Zoom this Saturday with a Turk
And in public schools, when they're not banning, they are rewriting history. Of all Presidents under Obama's tenure texas fought hard to change the Slave Trade to the triangular trade, their rationale? Board member Cynthia Noland Dunbar stated the curriculum is to “promote patriotism.” “We are adding balance. History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left,"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Wow, so talking about chattle slavery a fact is now a liberal fact.
https://www.syracuse.com/news/2010/0...s_could_i.html
The recommendations include adding language to say the country's Founding Fathers were guided by Christian principles.
They require that students learn that legislation like affirmative action should be tought as e 'unintended consequences' of Great Society legislation.
Search as hard as you'd like, FOX news had about 2 articles on it
https://www.foxnews.com/topics/us/textbook-bias.htm
Those links are disabled.
In Right wing suburbs in Wisconsin teachers who are pro-right wing implement curriculums that speak of slavery as free enterprise.
Essays asking kids to name the benefits to slavery.
https://hellobeautiful.com/2974465/w...s-for-slavery/
Everytime they change the history and blacks ask that it be left as is- we all get labeled as a people who can't move beyond slavery. Who would ask Jews to forget Hitler? Who would ask the Native Americans to forget the taking of their land, the infecting of small pox in blankets to murder them, the trail of tears?
Given the chance right wing thinkers would cancel everything that doesnt make them look like god fearing christians who brought the civility to all darker peoples.
I am sure you are aware of this, just not sure of the degree, but i'm sure you've read about the stifling of actions of American businessmen in the trade of rape, denial of rights of civility. To live as humans.
There have been so many books banned overtime, but I can only speak of the few I'm aware of -and take issues with it. Just as right wingers have the right to question the banning of Dr. Suess by liberals, -they go moot on their wanting to ban books like Harry Potter.
One book i question is The Meritorious Price of Our Redemption, William Pynchon (1650).
The author lived in Puritan times considered one of the founders of Springfield, Massachusetts.
Just as with Roger Williams who wrote the Bloody Tenant (his treatment at the hands of Puritans) so, too did Pynchon become disenchanted with the way of life there, and wrote an explicit critique on Puritanism.
End result: The book was banned in Massachusetts, and copies of the book were also burned for its heretical content. Wow, the very people kicked out of their homeland branded as heretics, came to a new world, lied to the future generations that they wanted to practice religion according to the dictate of one's conscience, but when that time comes for someone else to do it----they got branded as heretics.
He fled back to England from what I read.
And Roger Williams author of the bloody tenant fled into the hands of the so-called savages via Narangansett Tribe and their mightly Leader Massasoit.
Throughout the lat 1700s-1800s most books by women or about women were banned. Christians of that day were the liberals of that day- they deemed anything not to their taste was vulgar, antigod, risque'
Hateful, white racists in the south banned Uncle Tom's Cabin because of its anti-slavery content. Or as they would've put it anti-capitalism.
If people can ban books that question people who claim christianity but behave other than that...
If people can ban books that uplift blacks from the turmoil of a slavery that promotes rape, denies fatherhood for slaves...
if people can ban books because it presents women outside the norm of what (ONE) demographic feels it should be as...
Then who gives a damn about Dr. Suess being banned, other than the children whose parents banned everything they loathed?
Karma's a (B)...so I heard...
Why does it delete the post when you try to edit on a phone. Oh well. One more try quickly.
Apparently one of the offending images is a Chinese person using chopsticks. That is something that is still very ordinary. It is such a nothing issue.
You need to be delicate with children of course, but an Asian using chopsticks? Nobody sane can be bothered by it.
As for books being banned? You would have thought this nonsense would have ended with Naked Lunch. In literature anything goes and if it offends you then do not read it. It is that simple, but never tell other self aware individuals they can't too.
You need to come of mobile view before editing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Go to bottom of forum overview and hit full site.
Then pinch and stretch and edit as though you were on your PC/Mac.
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Originally Posted by walrusYou need to find out what’s actually go on in the US before you make yourself look more stupid. No one is in a tizzy here just pointing out the stupidityQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Here's what's going on. The Seuss estate withdrew half a dozen Seuss books from the catalogue as a business decision. They felt that selling racist imagery would damage their long term profits. Conservative news took this business decision by a private company and turned it into a bullshit story about government censorship and the liberals coming for your culture. Conservative media consumers responded by buying Dr. Seuss books in such incredible numbers that over thirty of Amazon's top fifty books are Dr. Seuss books:
https://twitter.com/allahpundit/stat...57755879432193
So conservative media consumers in a bid to own the cancel culture purveyors are currently sending truckloads of money to the Seuss estate who were the ones who cancelled the books in the first place. You people are complete fucking idiots.
Also, too, chef's kiss:
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1367470576256897031
Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.
That is wilfull misrepresentation of the truth. Seuss was himself mature enough to grow and stop calling the character a Chinaman and realise that completing the stereotype with slanty eyes and a triangle hat was actually selling himself short. Nobody but you fibbers are complaining about just the depiction of chopsticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
This is where an actual example of a moderate response by a private company or estate bring met by what is let's be honest and not mince words.. An extremist almost communist desire to tell individuals and companies what to do by very bored people on the right.
The mural is staying, with only that character replaced, and the majority of the book series will remain.
Freedom of speech and expression it seems does not extend in your eyes to those who refuse to stand still and watch the world move on.
My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.
Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.
It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.
Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about ;D
How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.
Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc
What substance? Stop sidetracking and get back to the oriental image. What is offensive about a farmers hat that protects from the sun? What is offensive about oriental eyes? What is offensive about chopsticks? What is offensive about traditional clothes that are usually worn on special occasions?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.
It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.
Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about ;D
Who and what are you arguing on behalf of? It is so silly. I share my life with Asians and brought this up when my wife was chatting to her sister yesterday. They found it strange that it was even a topic. We joke about differences in appearance quite casually. I am big nose and they have smaller eyes. Again, so what? I can use chopsticks. Stop the clocks. Lordy.
I am arguing on behalf of honesty and your argument is fundamentally dishonest. You as usual are cherry picking, moving the goal posts and deflecting in order to not admit you just jumped on the bandwagon instead of thinking for yourself.
I don't think you are being honest if you do not think East Asians look Oriental and it somehow has to be purged. My honesty is in disagreeing with you and telling you that real East Asians I know are laugh at it even being an issue. There is nothing wrong with chopsticks, traditional clothing or eye shape. Kids will draw things the same way. I say this as a man who is attracted to the East.
Another case in point are the masks made by Koreans sold in Myeong Dong. They typically depict small eyes and do look a bit strange. Obviously they are a caricature. They look like this and I have bought such items as gifts. Is this racist because of the eye form and element of the grotesque? Should we ban them too? 'Darn squinty eyes' pleadeth Lord Beanz. 'Racist!'
http://www.antiquealive.com/store/de...ngban-Hahoetal
I just disagree with you and have pointed out that caricature works both ways and you even see it in government leaflets here. It does not matter.
Yes, I know a sentence was a bit strange. Am on a phone and do not want to delete and post again. That mask lacks the chopsticks, but eyes are now apparently the issue.
It is all so ridiculous really. Who exactly among the Asian community was offended by this? I just asked my Vietnamese friend in NYC literally 10 minutes ago about this, and he was laughing his ass off. He said he "cannot imagine why the Western World would consider those images offensive to Asian people." He then said he feels proud about it! The opposite of what the Pearl-Clutching, Fainting-Couch Crowd feels! Always side-splittingly hilarious when white people want to tell other white people that Asian people are offended by this or that. ASK THE ASIAN PEOPLE, MAYBE??? :dontknow:
Why are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Off the top, the fact we have elected House leaders reading them on camera is pretty idiotic. Americans can be sad. It's like we're in a race to prove who is politically more desperate and pathetic. Government officials should not be calling for and advocating for any 'books' to be removed from the free market and I really don't see that as happening here. But man do we have available the dates when these 6 titles were first released? I know the Mulberry one was his very first title in 1937. Talking about China and Japanese that was a helluva brutal time. I think this may be a small part of this Country just admitting and owning..yeh, we've come a long way from some real wrongs done in our name. Have you ever taken a look at years and years of wartime propaganda thought up, created and released by the US Government at the same time? It was absolutely savage with depictions of Asians namely Japanese. Look if the company sees fit to discontinue the availability then so be it. But I do think we don't give kids enough credit for thinking for themselves and defining themselves. It's not a healthy investment to try to 'soft land' every single aspect of what they are exposed to often done to score political chuckles and talking points. Kids gotta learn man. I do remember flipping through many a Dr. Suess title when growing up in the 70's and I can say I never once thought "hahaha look at the funny slant eyes". Honestly I was too busy sneaking a peak at my old mans Easy Rider and OUI mags looking for boobs and reading all of the Time Life WWII almanacs literally depicting Japanese as fanged tooth yellow rats. This is really a non issue.
Yes, but you do not see any 'fanged tooth yellow rats' in the image I link to here, do you? If you think the abolition of this image is somehow "just admitting and owning" and a sign that "We've come a long way", then I suggest you play Streets of Rage 4, get to the Chinatown area and kill the skinny Asians and the fat martial arts chaps for kicks. These are stereotypes too, but there are stereotypes of whites, Asians, blacks too and it is just for fun. It is a game, just as these are just kids books. Christ on a bike. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news...nsitive-images
Society is ruined! Fat Asian with small eyes into martial arts, skinny Asians, Thai style kick boxers. How dare they! Stereotypes! Ban this game! Improve our social cohesion! :kar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDBFc61DqAE
:-X
Interesting debate. It's like what I feel about the Cleveland Indians and the (formerly named) Washington Redskins.
Here's the logo of the former.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_logo.svg.png
Here WAS the logo of the former.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013...superJumbo.jpg
One was offensive and insulting. The other one wasn't. Yet it was the Washington Redskins who got "de-named" and are now known as the Washington Football Team. The remain logo-less.
Pity.
Again you are not being honest. Lets go back to the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A private company made a decision to stop publishing and reprinting 6 books anymore in a series created many years ago in order to avoid causing unnecessary offense and to respond to a changed world and market.
They are still reprinting and publishing the other 33 books in the series.
All your talk of banning and purging is not in anyway reflective of the reality of the situation.
You and Brock can pull whoever you like out of your red and white hat and pretend that their not being offended is relevant but it really isn't.
It is a marketing decision the company made because they believe those images to be offensive. When you read the entire story and take into account context etc across all six books, it actually makes perfect sense and is a rational reasonable moderate response.
Unlike yours and Brocks that pleads with everyone to join in your outrage. ;D
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Originally Posted by GandalfWhy are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Because while of course people right across the political spectrum can be over eager to ban stuff, historically it has been the conservative right who have been far more eager to ban stuff. That is undeniable.
I don't understand this stupid desire to pretend to be playing Devil's advocate on behalf of very well accepted mainstream groups. It is baffling and odd.
Right wing conservative groups across the world, largely influenced by religious beliefs, be that Fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Jews or Conservative Muslims have all been at the forefront of opposing sex education even before Gay rights etc were included. They did not want even the mechanics of reproduction or contraception discussed because ignorance of those things is what keeps their flocks in line. The left historically have kicked against that kind of control. You know this but you have adopted this weird alt right virtue signalling persona that demands you deny it .
Beaner, I can show you wedding photos of people with oriental eyes, using chopsticks and eating rice, and wearing hanbok. It really is just normal Asian culture. The only difference was the chap was China of the past.
Should I go on a crusade and demand British customs and eyelid surgery for all? I like how people are.
Nowt wrong wth it. The racists are those ignorant of other cultures that are nothing like the UK or US. Korean art often has often depicted people in quite a similar way.
Should the masks be banned too? Where is your line?
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
I can introduce you to Morris dancers who insist on wearing a blackface and those who realising other colours are available choose to wear no face make up or brightly coloured makeup. It really is just normal British and Celtic culture but neither is an excuse to fight for the right to still televise racist bullshit like the Black and White minstrel show like they did here in the UK when i was a child.
You are still pretending that everything should conform to your sensibilities and the ultra conservative country you chose to move to. The decision of a private company to not reprint something is not even in the same library as banning anything, let alone the same page.
Why can't you just be honest?
I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.
So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.
http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg
Except you haven't have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Dr Seuss was obviously less informed about Asian Culture than I am but not telling anybody to ban his books or making up lies to support that assertion. None of those books have been banned. They are just not being reprinted.
And no, the photograph you sent a link to has absolutely no relationship to a white bloke with a gun standing on three Chinese blokes heads, or a black fella in a grass skirt with a bone through his nose. You are just being dishonest in order to attribute importance to something you think vindicates your own myopic view of the world.
And fuck right off out of here with the "Keen to silence" lies. :rolleyes:
Look at the racist bullshit that is allowed to fly here, year in year out.
Ban Immigrants.
Ban the Bhurka
Ban the LGBT crowd
'Cure' 'Liberalism'
Ban protesting
Ban' Leftism'
What do you think those attitudes are really about ?
They are about silencing others.
They are about claiming to have the right to be purposefully and repeatedly provocative and offensive, but to then either threaten, or campaign behind people's backs to have posters like myself banned from the forum, when this is pointed out to them.
If you really cared about censorship and freedom of speech you would speak out against those kind of things, but instead you either remain silent or join in with the bullies and the bigots.
This whole thread is built on the false assertions of a shit stirring bullshitter pretending that something happened, that actually didn't.
These are apparently the pulled images, so what are you talking about? What images are you talking about? Clearly something different. Show your information.
https://nationalpost.com/entertainme...ooks-cancelled
Will you please stop doing the whataboutery and dancing onto other topics too. Not relevant.
My own myopic view of the world? You need to look in a mirror. I just do not consider a kids book of its time to be harmful and neither do other Asians I have shown the images to.
You are not versed in Asian cultures. Lol.
He wants to split hairs about banned vs no longer printed, its the same damn effect isnt it. WE're talking EFFECT here. Thats all that matters.