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In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
This will be easy work for Canelo
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I'd say it depends.
If he brings him down to 170..... waits 3-4 years..... and fights Kov in Texas (or Vegas) with CJ Ross as a judge..... I wouldn't bet against Canelo.
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Kov has that persistent and ram rod jab that can win him the fight. He uses it far more now than his big right hand now and is the bigger man so he may not get knocked out.
Is this fight going to happen now? I thought Kov turned it down.
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Master
Kov has that persistent and ram rod jab that can win him the fight. He uses it far more now than his big right hand now and is the bigger man so he may not get knocked out.
Is this fight going to happen now? I thought Kov turned it down.
Cash out fight for Kovalev. Funnily enough , very similar to last night but with a very different outcome.
Kovalev will keep Canelo at bay early on , and probably put rounds in the bank but will tire down the stretch and when Canelo gets his opportunity , he will take it with both hands. Depends how long it takes Kovalev to tire. Could be the 6th if Canelo walks him down, but he might take some heavy artillery, or if Canelo wants to be patient and make sure, it could be the 10th.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Kov has that persistent and ram rod jab that can win him the fight. He uses it far more now than his big right hand now and is the bigger man so he may not get knocked out.
Is this fight going to happen now? I thought Kov turned it down.
Cash out fight for Kovalev. Funnily enough , very similar to last night but with a very different outcome.
Kovalev will keep Canelo at bay early on , and probably put rounds in the bank but will tire down the stretch and when Canelo gets his opportunity , he will take it with both hands. Depends how long it takes Kovalev to tire. Could be the 6th if Canelo walks him down, but he might take some heavy artillery, or if Canelo wants to be patient and make sure, it could be the 10th.
If SOG did that to his midsection, on can only imagine what Canelo will do. Kov's entire body has absorbed heavy punishment
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if it's the kovalev that showed up against yarde, i'd say between 8 and 10. if he lays off the vodka and isn't weight restricted we could see a whole different fight
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Has everyone forgotten Canelo's output and stamina. Sure Kov tires but so does Canelo who is a spurt fighter. Kovalev is much rangier and with the ramrod jab and follow up rights bound to make Canelo think. Kovalev hits harder than anyone Canelo has faced and Canelo has no record at the weight or even SMW if we are being honest.
Kovalev got caught. It happens but he dug down and got the win. People see a few chinks and think he is for the taking but Canelo has a lot to prove and let's not forget he hasn't even been convincing at MW.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Kov has that persistent and ram rod jab that can win him the fight. He uses it far more now than his big right hand now and is the bigger man so he may not get knocked out.
Is this fight going to happen now? I thought Kov turned it down.
Cash out fight for Kovalev. Funnily enough , very similar to last night but with a very different outcome.
Kovalev will keep Canelo at bay early on , and probably put rounds in the bank but will tire down the stretch and when Canelo gets his opportunity , he will take it with both hands. Depends how long it takes Kovalev to tire. Could be the 6th if Canelo walks him down, but he might take some heavy artillery, or if Canelo wants to be patient and make sure, it could be the 10th.
If SOG did that to his midsection, on can only imagine what Canelo will do. Kov's entire body has absorbed heavy punishment
His testicles have been damaged badly, but Ward was lucky to get away with that. I am not even sure a hobbit like Canelo will even be able to get close all that often. Kovalev is over 6 feet and long whilst Canelo is 5foot 8. 6 inch difference and Canelo is a spurt fighter who can be outboxed and has not proven himself in the higher weight classes.
In fact I find the Canelo hype odd when everyone knows he has several losses in his record and is now suddenly going to walk through Kovalev.
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It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
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Ron Swanson
It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
Canelo has clearly fought a shitload of good fighters, but I think he has also come up short against many of them. The first GGG fight in particular was not even close. Yet he gets the 'win' and people seem to be glorifying him on what exactly? Granted Jacobs was a good win, but otherwise he lost to GGG twice and then fought a gimme. Yep, I really want to see him jump two weight classes and fight a 37 year old Kovalev.
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Ron Swanson
It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
I think it’s because Canelo has been brought along very calculated. I don’t think he fought the best 154 fighter. There were still good fights to be made and he moved up. He is doing the same at middleweight. There are good fights to be made but now he is picking a specific fighter to fight that he really believes he can win.
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Is this thread serious?
Canelo couldn’t even hurt GGG or Danny Williams..and now all of a sudden he inherits 175 stopping power?!
Come on guys?!
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Canelo couldn’t even beat the best at 168?!
I rate Canelo but this is crazy talk!
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imp
Is this thread serious?
Canelo couldn’t even hurt GGG or Danny Williams..and now all of a sudden he inherits 175 stopping power?!
Come on guys?!
Danny Williams?
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Kovalev doesn't much care for bodyshots....Canelo will be sure to throw those. Bigger question, has Canelo started cycling yet?
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It’s a typical Canelo match up. He will fight a guy who used to be a good fighter, but over five years into his decline. Kovalev hasn’t looked good since well before the Ward fight, and by all accounts he abuses his body in between fights.
He has a good jab and is a good ‘backwards and forwards in straight lines’ technician.
But he has shown weakness to the body and an inability to fight at short range. Canelo will beat him up if he walks him down like he showed he could do the second time against GGG. Kovalev is quite easy to hit, and he has shown lots of signs of quitting when he isn’t getting his way. Canelo does have a good chin so I don’t see how Kov can stop him.
Incidentally, I don’t agree that Kovalev will be the biggest puncher that Alvarez has faced - I always thought Golovkin hit harder, and with more accuracy.
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Canelo couldn’t even beat the best at 168?!
I rate Canelo but this is crazy talk!
It’s how you diminish everything, doesn’t matter what you do if you tear it down before it’s done. I mean, let’s look at recent history, have fighters had great success jumping 2 divisions? No. Were these really good fighters trying it? Yes. So maybe it’s hard. So what Sergei is a chump? No.
I hate Canelo, I don’t even like the idea of him fighting Kovalev. I want him to fight Charlo, fight Andrade, fight BJS FFS. Fight the guys at 160. But my hatred for Canelo isn’t going to make me ignore he has fought really good fighters. That is what we should want from fighters.
So Canelo has had advantages, what about Loma fighting Walters in a desperate situation, fighting Rigo in s desperate situation. That doesn’t get talked about. So the difference between the 2 is a Canelo has fought the better fighters and is currently fighting champions. Not Pedraza’s, not Crolla’s, not Campbell’s. But Canelo gets torn down while Loma is just the best because he looks like it. Nobody cares Berchelt has called him out for years. Nobody cares people at TR were quite open that Bob would never let him fight Mikey. Not a damn peep for one guy. It’d be fine if people would just admit the double standard. The elephant is on its hind legs breaking the chandelier, acknowledge it.
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Canelo couldn’t even beat the best at 168?!
I rate Canelo but this is crazy talk!
It’s how you diminish everything, doesn’t matter what you do if you tear it down before it’s done. I mean, let’s look at recent history, have fighters had great success jumping 2 divisions? No. Were these really good fighters trying it? Yes. So maybe it’s hard. So what Sergei is a chump? No.
I hate Canelo, I don’t even like the idea of him fighting Kovalev. I want him to fight Charlo, fight Andrade, fight BJS FFS. Fight the guys at 160. But my hatred for Canelo isn’t going to make me ignore he has fought really good fighters. That is what we should want from fighters.
So Canelo has had advantages, what about Loma fighting Walters in a desperate situation, fighting Rigo in s desperate situation. That doesn’t get talked about. So the difference between the 2 is a Canelo has fought the better fighters and is currently fighting champions. Not Pedraza’s, not Crolla’s, not Campbell’s. But Canelo gets torn down while Loma is just the best because he looks like it. Nobody cares Berchelt has called him out for years. Nobody cares people at TR were quite open that Bob would never let him fight Mikey. Not a damn peep for one guy. It’d be fine if people would just admit the double standard. The elephant is on its hind legs breaking the chandelier, acknowledge it.
I have always had problems with Loma and his competition which is why I rate Crawford above him. One thing I will say is that Loma hasn’t had the quality around him that Canelo has. Lightweight is already a big weight class for him. I honestly wish he would go down a weight and fight Berchelt and Davis. Although he has called out Davis before but Davis didn’t want it.
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imp
Is this thread serious?
Canelo couldn’t even hurt GGG or Danny Williams..and now all of a sudden he inherits 175 stopping power?!
Come on guys?!
Danny Williams?
Lol..Jacobs.
Either way, Canelo is not searching for greatness..the Franchise King will do everything in his power to avoid a 3rd fight with GGG or even fight a BJS who holds a belt at 168..how about Andrade?
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Ron Swanson
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imp
Canelo couldn’t even beat the best at 168?!
I rate Canelo but this is crazy talk!
It’s how you diminish everything, doesn’t matter what you do if you tear it down before it’s done. I mean, let’s look at recent history, have fighters had great success jumping 2 divisions? No. Were these really good fighters trying it? Yes. So maybe it’s hard. So what Sergei is a chump? No.
I hate Canelo, I don’t even like the idea of him fighting Kovalev. I want him to fight Charlo, fight Andrade, fight BJS FFS. Fight the guys at 160. But my hatred for Canelo isn’t going to make me ignore he has fought really good fighters. That is what we should want from fighters.
So Canelo has had advantages, what about Loma fighting Walters in a desperate situation, fighting Rigo in s desperate situation. That doesn’t get talked about. So the difference between the 2 is a Canelo has fought the better fighters and is currently fighting champions. Not Pedraza’s, not Crolla’s, not Campbell’s. But Canelo gets torn down while Loma is just the best because he looks like it. Nobody cares Berchelt has called him out for years. Nobody cares people at TR were quite open that Bob would never let him fight Mikey. Not a damn peep for one guy. It’d be fine if people would just admit the double standard. The elephant is on its hind legs breaking the chandelier, acknowledge it.
I have always had problems with Loma and his competition which is why I rate Crawford above him. One thing I will say is that Loma hasn’t had the quality around him that Canelo has. Lightweight is already a big weight class for him. I honestly wish he would go down a weight and fight Berchelt and Davis. Although he has called out Davis before but Davis didn’t want it.
At the 30 day weigh in Loma was 144.5. He’s not small at LW. The idea he is is not supported by the facts. I get the thought but the facts disagree with the thought.
I remember seeing Crawford, Loma and Rigo together. Loma was much closer to Crawford’s size than Rigo was to his. You can find that easy enough, I just can’t post pictures on this site for some reason or I’d post it for ya
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Ron Swanson
It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.
Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.
"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.
Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?
Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.
Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.
The best 160 pounder twice.
Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?
No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.
He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.
Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along). ;) ;)
THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).
And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.
Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.
For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.
You're welcome.
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Canelo's people see this as a good risk-reward proposition IMO. Kovelev is not a very good inside fighter and will be dismantled by Canelo’s wicked left hooks to the body. Once Kov weakens and tires—as he did against Yarde—the Redhead will look directly at the Russian’s stomach (as he did against James Kirkland) but throw a brutal right upstairs that the Russian will not see coming. He will be sedated ala Khan, Kirkland , Gomez, Baldamir, and others. The last guy to really wobble and hurt Canelo was Jose Cotto back in 2010. Thing is, Canelo has improved over the years and arguably is the best or second best one out there.
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it’s a typical canelo match up. He will fight a guy who used to be a good fighter, but over five years into his decline. Kovalev hasn’t looked good since well before the ward fight, and by all accounts he abuses his body in between fights.
He has a good jab and is a good ‘backwards and forwards in straight lines’ technician.
But he has shown weakness to the body and an inability to fight at short range. Canelo will beat him up if he walks him down like he showed he could do the second time against ggg. Kovalev is quite easy to hit, and he has shown lots of signs of quitting when he isn’t getting his way. Canelo does have a good chin so i don’t see how kov can stop him.
Incidentally, i don’t agree that kovalev will be the biggest puncher that alvarez has faced - i always thought golovkin hit harder, and with more accuracy.
outstanding
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x
it’s a typical canelo match up. He will fight a guy who used to be a good fighter, but over five years into his decline. Kovalev hasn’t looked good since well before the ward fight, and by all accounts he abuses his body in between fights.
He has a good jab and is a good ‘backwards and forwards in straight lines’ technician.
But he has shown weakness to the body and an inability to fight at short range. Canelo will beat him up if he walks him down like he showed he could do the second time against ggg. Kovalev is quite easy to hit, and he has shown lots of signs of quitting when he isn’t getting his way. Canelo does have a good chin so i don’t see how kov can stop him.
Incidentally, i don’t agree that kovalev will be the biggest puncher that alvarez has faced - i always thought golovkin hit harder, and with more accuracy.
outstanding
In between X joke, porn and travel post's, he gets around to boxing and writes some of the most articulate and succinct posts ever. He should do it more often.
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GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?aqaa
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GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
If you do not think Canelo can win then you should be happy that he is taking on Kov and you will be proved right?
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Master
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imp
GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
If you do not think Canelo can win then you should be happy that he is taking on Kov and you will be proved right?
With NO CLAUSES! Fight him at 175. No hydration clauses or CW's. Fight the man. I dare him.
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Master
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GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
If you do not think Canelo can win then you should be happy that he is taking on Kov and you will be proved right?
No.
If Canelo does loose it’s the weight excuse..Canelo should be beating the best in his division..stay at 160 and beat Andrade, beat up GGG (convincingly) and fight BJS at 168 for another belt..then after that, around early 2021 Kovalev will be old enough and less of a risk for the fight to be happen.
It’s all talk at the moment..nothing signed.
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imp
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Master
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imp
GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
If you do not think Canelo can win then you should be happy that he is taking on Kov and you will be proved right?
No.
If Canelo does loose it’s the weight excuse..Canelo should be beating the best in his division..stay at 160 and beat Andrade, beat up GGG (convincingly) and fight BJS at 168 for another belt..then after that, around early 2021 Kovalev will be old enough and less of a risk for the fight to be happen.
It’s all talk at the moment..nothing signed.
No way. Don't let him use that chance to 'beat' Kovalev. Fight him now at 175 and get done what he did to Khan. Look cheeky for a few rounds and then get Krushed. It's what he wants. Go for it.
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Id rather see canelo fight at middleweight rather than this kovalev fight, it'll just end in some stupidity like the kov ward fights, and kov will probably just get bummed out of it due to some daftness
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I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
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Ron Swanson
It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
Do me a favor. Forget it's
me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your
"you just hate Canelo" spiel.
Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.
"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.
Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights.
That Mosley?
Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.
Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.
The best 160 pounder twice.
Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?
No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.
He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.
Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along). ;) ;)
THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).
And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.
Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.
For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.
You're welcome.
Best at 147-Mayweather, shouldn’t need explaining
Best at 154-Lara, The Ring had him number 1 in 2 different years surrounding the fight
Best at 160 twice-GGG. GGG is still the best at 160 until proven otherwise
I don’t really care that some had GGG winning both, I agree with them. It’s only relevant in this conversation that he fought them. Because I’m talking about expectations. We don’t expect fighters to win, we expect them to fight. Winning and losing is about how good you are, a separate subject. It’s well known I don’t think Canelo was even the best at 154, let alone 160. I’m discussing expectations
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Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Ward was probably top 3 talents I’ve seen during my lifetime. He went up in weight and fought Kovalev who was very feared. I had Kovalev at #1 p4p at the time. He was easily in the top 3.
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
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Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Nobody cares what you do in the bedroom, that’s your business. I think we’re all surprised you aren’t a Ward fan though, shocking, just shocking. Next you’ll tell us you are a Kovalev fan and really blow our minds.
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Nobody cares what you do in the bedroom, that’s your business. I think we’re all surprised you aren’t a Ward fan though, shocking, just shocking. Next you’ll tell us you are a Kovalev fan and really blow our minds.
Of course i'm a Ward fan, his dad was a white man. In fact, his dad was a white Irish man, that makes him more white than Russian Kovalev.
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
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powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Ward was probably top 3 talents I’ve seen during my lifetime. He went up in weight and fought Kovalev who was very feared. I had Kovalev at #1 p4p at the time. He was easily in the top 3.
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
Yeah it's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that a bonafide all-time great can name Kovalev his best win whilst people are calling Canelo a "cherry picker" for the same man.
Is Kovalev past his best? Yes. Is he still an active winning champion? Yes. Top 3 at 175? Yes. Does he have a significant natural size, height and reach advantage? Yes. Is he still a quality boxer? Yes. Does he still possess big power? Yes.
So how can that man possibly be regarded a "gimme" unless the guy he's facing is special? Special like Ward? If Kovalev is such a "gimme" what does that make Elider Alvarez? Pascal? Even unbeaten prospects like Yarde?
The point is - fans who can't separate their personal feelings for a fighter - love or hate - don't make sense. Without realising it they're saying Canelo is special. Fact.
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Ward was probably top 3 talents I’ve seen during my lifetime. He went up in weight and fought Kovalev who was very feared. I had Kovalev at #1 p4p at the time. He was easily in the top 3.
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
Yeah it's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that a bonafide all-time great can name Kovalev his best win whilst people are calling Canelo a "cherry picker" for the same man.
Is Kovalev past his best? Yes. Is he still an active winning champion? Yes. Top 3 at 175? Yes. Does he have a significant natural size, height and reach advantage? Yes. Is he still a quality boxer? Yes. Does he still possess big power? Yes.
So how can that man possibly be regarded a "gimme" unless the guy he's facing is special? Special like Ward? If Kovalev is such a "gimme" what does that make Elider Alvarez? Pascal? Even unbeaten prospects like Yarde?
The point is - fans who can't separate their personal feelings for a fighter - love or hate - don't make sense. Without realising it they're saying Canelo is special. Fact.
It’s the fact that styles make fights. It’s not to say beating Kovalev isn’t impressive, but beating Kovalev may be easier for Canelo than to beat Andrade. That’s why I like fighters to stay in their weight class and clean it out. Much more impressive
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Ward was probably top 3 talents I’ve seen during my lifetime. He went up in weight and fought Kovalev who was very feared. I had Kovalev at #1 p4p at the time. He was easily in the top 3.
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
Kov was bummed out of both ward fights tho so you can't really count them on wards record
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Re: In what round will Canelo stop Kovalev?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Ward was probably top 3 talents I’ve seen during my lifetime. He went up in weight and fought Kovalev who was very feared. I had Kovalev at #1 p4p at the time. He was easily in the top 3.
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
Yeah it's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that a bonafide all-time great can name Kovalev his best win whilst people are calling Canelo a "cherry picker" for the same man.
Is Kovalev past his best? Yes. Is he still an active winning champion? Yes. Top 3 at 175? Yes. Does he have a significant natural size, height and reach advantage? Yes. Is he still a quality boxer? Yes. Does he still possess big power? Yes.
So how can that man possibly be regarded a "gimme" unless the guy he's facing is special? Special like Ward? If Kovalev is such a "gimme" what does that make Elider Alvarez? Pascal? Even unbeaten prospects like Yarde?
The point is - fans who can't separate their personal feelings for a fighter - love or hate - don't make sense. Without realising it they're saying Canelo is special. Fact.
An honest post, congratulations. And, it hurts me to say, I agree