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Errol Spence vs Mikey Garcia
It's reportedly on for February 2019.
The fight will be at 147, and the exact date and venue TBA.
Both are very talented fighters, but Spence is a much bigger man and so will likely win. I'd sooner see Spence-Crawford, but this is an interesting match-up.
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If this goes through, major props to Mikey. His willingness to fight the best can't be questioned.
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This is an exceptional matchup if this happens. Credit Garcia for taking the big step up and challenge. Garcia will be the underdog for this fight but he is a brilliant boxer to watch.
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If this goes ahead , I have massive admiration and respect for Garcia . If he wins, he's p4p #1 in my book. But I can't see anything other than a Spence Beat down unfortunately. He's just too big.
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Garcia for me is more versatile , I give him a chance if he fights smart.
Great matchup.
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Has to one negative Ned on it, guess that'll be me :-X. Was really hoping these two would clean up shop in respected divisions. But chalk this one up to convenient in house 'big' match making. I think Mikey forfeits a good amount of his speed and mobility packing on 147, will end up trying to get respect and will take a bit of a beat down for it.
still wouldn't be shocked if this is just talk to make some other date for Spence.
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I'm kind of with Spicoli, in that I feel both had better work to do in their respective divisions first. This is a quality match up tho between 2 elite guys.
Made me think about other lightweights that were successful in jumping straight to 147.
Mosley was the first to come to mind. Armstrong won the welterweight title, while weighing under the lightweight limit. Duran skipped 140. Broner also went straight from 135 to 147.
In saying that, what other successful weigh jumpers that have had success where the styles are similar to this fight?
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Stupid fight.
When is Spence vs Porter.?!
Why is Mikey not fighting Loma?
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Stupid fight.
When is Spence vs Porter.?!
Why is Mikey not fighting Loma?
It is not a stupid fight it is an exceptional fight and Garcia is going for it. Credit to him.
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I can understand the feeling of wanting Garcia and Spence to clean out their own divisions first but.... to me this is a case of damned if you do... damned if you don't.
Haven't some of us here in the past raked GGG over the coals for not jumping up to 168 to meet Andre Ward there?
It smacks of double standard to criticize a fight that both guys are willing to make, when they've both shown the willingness to fight all comers.
Still..... it's a legit point. If Spence wipes the floor with Garcia, he'll get less than 100% credit, just because he's the larger guy. But if Garcia beats Spence, it's an automatic light-year leap into p4p stardom.
Meanwhile, I understand there's good fights for both in their respective divisions.
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Alpha
I'm kind of with Spicoli, in that I feel both had better work to do in their respective divisions first. This is a quality match up tho between 2 elite guys.
Made me think about other lightweights that were successful in jumping straight to 147.
Mosley was the first to come to mind. Armstrong won the welterweight title, while weighing under the lightweight limit. Duran skipped 140. Broner also went straight from 135 to 147.
In saying that, what other successful weigh jumpers that have had success where the styles are similar to this fight?
Guerrero skipped 140 after a year out. Marquez packed it on for Mayweather who was arguably over 147 with the last minute weight turns and twists. With Mosley at least he had a couple of goes at 147 before Oscar.
Napoles going up for Monzon comes to mind pre 154 division, top talents similar reach and while I'm hoping more competitive Mikey going in 'cold' weight wise doesn't do him a lot of favors.
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Another famous case of reaching for that ill-fated weight division was the great Alexis Arguello, who tested the super lightweight waters with Kevin Rooney before going up against Aaron Pryor.
Alexis remains an all-time favorite of mine.
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I can understand the feeling of wanting Garcia and Spence to clean out their own divisions first but.... to me this is a case of damned if you do... damned if you don't.
Haven't some of us here in the past raked GGG over the coals for not jumping up to 168 to meet Andre Ward there?
It smacks of double standard to criticize a fight that both guys are willing to make, when they've both shown the willingness to fight all comers.
Still..... it's a legit point. If Spence wipes the floor with Garcia, he'll get less than 100% credit, just because he's the larger guy. But if Garcia beats Spence, it's an automatic light-year leap into p4p stardom.
Meanwhile, I understand there's good fights for both in their respective divisions.
Like most I think Spence/Crawford and Garcia/Loma were the best options. But I wonder if they really were options. There was silence about the 2 superior opponents until this fight was nearly done. Could be Bob saying “they’re not going to cancel a PPV fight to begin negotiations with us, this is our chance to talk”. Perhaps Bob is being honest and he wants those fights. Bobs long long long history of lying just makes it hard to believe him.
Either way the winner walks away a PPV fighter making other fights easier to make and the loser has options.
It would be a crime if we don’t get Spence/Crawford and Garcia/Loma
Side note I would have been fine with GGG saying he didn’t want to go to 168. But he was willing for Steiglitz, he was willing for Froch, he was willing for Chavez Jr. That’s my problem with not being willing for Ward. On its own it’s fine, it’s the selectivity that’s trash.
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Stupid fight.
When is Spence vs Porter.?!
Why is Mikey not fighting Loma?
It is not a stupid fight it is an exceptional fight and Garcia is going for it. Credit to him.
No it’s not.
Garcia should be making the Loma fight and Spence needs to clean up Porter, Crawford and Thurman..ASAP.
Spence is a big 147 fighter and Garcia is tiny..there are weight classes for a reason..Garcia needs to concentrate on Loma first then 147.
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Stupid fight.
When is Spence vs Porter.?!
Why is Mikey not fighting Loma?
It is not a stupid fight it is an exceptional fight and Garcia is going for it. Credit to him.
No it’s not.
Garcia should be making the Loma fight and Spence needs to clean up Porter, Crawford and Thurman..ASAP.
Spence is a big 147 fighter and Garcia is tiny..there are weight classes for a reason..Garcia needs to concentrate on Loma first then 147.
If Garcia pulls this off he becomes a superstar like Shane/Floyd/Manny did with Oscar when they moved up.
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What'll happen guys, is that Spence will mop the floor with Mikey... and Mikey will see it was too far a leap to meet a superstar at that weight. He'll come back down and meet Loma, hopefully while still undamaged. Spence will get his Thurmans, Porters and Crawfords. They're not going anywhere.
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What'll happen guys, is that Spence will mop the floor with Mikey... and Mikey will see it was too far a leap to meet a superstar at that weight. He'll come back down and meet Loma, hopefully while still undamaged. Spence will get his Thurmans, Porters and Crawfords. They're not going anywhere.
If they pull decent PPV numbers the fights become easy to make. If it flops it’s easier for everyone to avoid. For this reason I will pay.
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Massive props to Mikey for having the balls to step up and take on such a huge challenge but I don't see him winning this at all. He is currently one of my favourite fighters and I will be rooting for him but I don't see it happening. Spence is just too big and strong for him and will probably stop Mikey late on.
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I’ve always said that I have no problem with the fight in general, but unlike the olden days of boxing, boxers don’t fight enough for it to be worth it. Mikey will fight Spence in February, lose, then have a comeback/tuneup fight. So he won’t be fighting other good fighters his weight until I would guess 2020.
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I’ve always said that I have no problem with the fight in general, but unlike the olden days of boxing, boxers don’t fight enough for it to be worth it. Mikey will fight Spence in February, lose, then have a comeback/tuneup fight. So he won’t be fighting other good fighters his weight until I would guess 2020.
This is my gripe with it. I complain about fights a lot so I didn’t want to complain but if it was in December I’d be fine with it. Being in February I do have some issues with it. Just trying to hold my tongue haha
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I’ve always said that I have no problem with the fight in general, but unlike the olden days of boxing, boxers don’t fight enough for it to be worth it. Mikey will fight Spence in February, lose, then have a comeback/tuneup fight. So he won’t be fighting other good fighters his weight until I would guess 2020.
This is my gripe with it. I complain about fights a lot so I didn’t want to complain but if it was in December I’d be fine with it. Being in February I do have some issues with it. Just trying to hold my tongue haha
I just think he has better options. I mean if Mikey truly believes he can beat Spence then I understand what he is doing. I just don’t see it.
In a perfect world, I would have him take his mandatory and fight Commey. Then he fights Loma. Then by that time the 140 tournament will be over and he can fight the winner. Then Spence I’m sure will be moved up in weight by that time but he could probably fight Crawford
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Garcia deserves respect for trying to make this fight but he could probably still make 130. He hasn't looked the same boxer at even 140, doesn't seem to have the same punch power at 140 and physically he looks like even 140 is too much for him. Going up to 147 to fight a massive physical welterweight who can box and punch is nuts in my opinion. All the good Garcia gets from it is going to come before the first bell goes. He's going to get the kudos, respect, whatever you call it and a lot of media coverage. I don't think he'll make a dent in Spence and if he's just going in to make it to the final bell what's the point?
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Garcia deserves respect for trying to make this fight but he could probably still make 130. He hasn't looked the same boxer at even 140, doesn't seem to have the same punch power at 140 and physically he looks like even 140 is too much for him. Going up to 147 to fight a massive physical welterweight who can box and punch is nuts in my opinion. All the good Garcia gets from it is going to come before the first bell goes. He's going to get the kudos, respect, whatever you call it and a lot of media coverage. I don't think he'll make a dent in Spence and if he's just going in to make it to the final bell what's the point?
I was talking about this just the other day, he deserves a fuck load of credit, he is moving up in weight, he will be a massive underdog in pretty much every aspect purely because of the size difference.
It's nice to see someone take that chance though, he's obviously not frightened about losing the 0, that is the only thing that he has to lose.
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I think Mikey still cracks pretty good at 140, 147 is another story.
Smart thing for Mikey would be to do a catchweight. I'll be even more impressed if he doesn't demand one.
If everything was equal, I'd back Garcia, but with weight and youth on Spence's side, the advantage lies with Spence.
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Garcia deserves respect for trying to make this fight but he could probably still make 130. He hasn't looked the same boxer at even 140, doesn't seem to have the same punch power at 140 and physically he looks like even 140 is too much for him. Going up to 147 to fight a massive physical welterweight who can box and punch is nuts in my opinion. All the good Garcia gets from it is going to come before the first bell goes. He's going to get the kudos, respect, whatever you call it and a lot of media coverage. I don't think he'll make a dent in Spence and if he's just going in to make it to the final bell what's the point?
I was talking about this just the other day, he deserves a fuck load of credit, he is moving up in weight, he will be a massive underdog in pretty much every aspect purely because of the size difference.
It's nice to see someone take that chance though, he's obviously not frightened about losing the 0, that is the only thing that he has to lose.
Mikey clearly has confidence and heart to match, but weight jump matches vs big bangers like this can cost more than an undefeated record ala Brook. Damage sits on lighter fighters in their 30s and Mikey hasn't been too hard to find in last couple. Would love Mikey to go 140 which is blowing up right now.
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Personally I would have much rather seen Garcia - Loma and Spence - Crawford, but no complaints for this match. Errol cleans his clock, I wonder what Mikey sees that makes him want to fight him, but I defintely dont see it for Mikey.
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Sounds like this is going to be on Fox PPV.
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Sounds like this is going to be on Fox PPV.
Is that a first for them?
Horrible trend if it is but a brilliant fight.
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Sounds like this is going to be on Fox PPV.
Is that a first for them?
Horrible trend if it is but a brilliant fight.
I'm not sure, but FOX has a wider audience than Showtime. They'll need to beef up the undercard, it is a great fight, I not sure how well it does tho.
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Sounds like this is going to be on Fox PPV.
I feel like normal FOX would be great. A national audience for this fight would be great for boxing. No more PPVs.
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http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...arch-16-dallas
In all, they announced 14 bouts through April that will air on either Fox in prime time or on cable network Fox Sports 1. But the biggest fight made official was the much-discussed showdown between welterweight world titlist Errol Spence Jr. and lightweight titlist Mikey Garcia, who will move up two weight divisions to go for a world title in a fifth division in a meeting between two of boxing's elite pound-for-pound best in the world.
The fight will headline the first Fox PPV card and will take place at AT&T Stadium, the home of the Dallas Cowboys, in Arlington, Texas, on March 16.
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Man the size difference was huge when they faced up.
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Think it's also interesting to note that there is no VADA testing for this fight.
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Errol Spence Jr v Mikey Garcia: IBF world welterweight title bout set for March
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Four-weight world champion Mikey Garcia will move up two weight divisions to take on IBF world welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr on 16 March.
Garcia, 30, still holds the WBC title in the 135lbs lightweight division and will move to 147lbs to face Spence Jr.
Spence Jr, 28, won his title from Britain's Kell Brook in May 2017.
"Floyd Mayweather did it all the time, fighting bigger guys," said Garcia. "He did it with skills. There's more to boxing that brute power."
Garcia has held world titles at featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight and super lightweight, amassing a record of 39 wins from 39 bouts.
A unification bout with WBA lightweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko had been rumoured before a March meeting was confirmed with fellow American Spence Jr in Arlington, Texas.
Garcia now claims he is pleased some are choosing to write him off because of the weight jump, with a number of people on social media pointing to a notable size difference when the two fighters posed head to head.
"That's why I took this fight," he added. "That's what I want. Once I do this I will prove to everybody that I am a better fighter than people expect. These kind of victories will open the eyes of doubters."
Spence Jr has a record of 24 wins from 24 bouts, 21 via stoppage.
Should Garcia win, he would join the likes of Mayweather, Tommy Hearns, Manny Pacquiao, Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar de la Hoya in winning world titles across five weight classes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/46207624
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Well I’m giving Mikey props for taking the fight in the first place. Like everyone else , I fancy Spence, but I just hope Garcia gives a good account of himself and it’s competitive.
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Well I’m giving Mikey props for taking the fight in the first place. Like everyone else , I fancy Spence, but I just hope Garcia gives a good account of himself and it’s competitive.
Mikey walking around like:
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Think it's also interesting to note that there is no VADA testing for this fight.
Did he officially vacate the wbc trinket? Always thought vada was more their thing. Lara just opted out of VADA and wbc rankings too so he can fight for another bodies trinket.
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Think it's also interesting to note that there is no VADA testing for this fight.
Did he officially vacate the wbc trinket? Always thought vada was more their thing. Lara just opted out of VADA and wbc rankings too so he can fight for another bodies trinket.
I think Garcia still holds the WBC belt and is enrolled with VADA but as this fight is for the IBF title I don't think Spence has to comply.
I also question Lara withdrawing from the WBC and VADA testing, he could have easily fought for another bodies belt without requesting to be removed, happens all the time.
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Think it's also interesting to note that there is no VADA testing for this fight.
Did he officially vacate the wbc trinket? Always thought vada was more their thing. Lara just opted out of VADA and wbc rankings too so he can fight for another bodies trinket.
I think Garcia still holds the WBC belt and is enrolled with VADA but as this fight is for the IBF title I don't think Spence has to comply.
I also question Lara withdrawing from the WBC and VADA testing, he could have easily fought for another bodies belt without requesting to be removed, happens all the time.
I've clearly not been paying close attention :-X and was under the impression VADA was wbc centered but had a hand in the other bodies also. Seems pretty easy to skirt then yeh.
Laras people sound like they're disputing the wbc version of what's going on. Hey how about Lara steering for your bwoy Castano though? Huge step up and great style clash if that title match comes off. But Lara hasn't faced that kind of speed in years, if ever.
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Think it's also interesting to note that there is no VADA testing for this fight.
Did he officially vacate the wbc trinket? Always thought vada was more their thing. Lara just opted out of VADA and wbc rankings too so he can fight for another bodies trinket.
I think Garcia still holds the WBC belt and is enrolled with VADA but as this fight is for the IBF title I don't think Spence has to comply.
I also question Lara withdrawing from the WBC and VADA testing, he could have easily fought for another bodies belt without requesting to be removed, happens all the time.
I've clearly not been paying close attention :-X and was under the impression VADA was wbc centered but had a hand in the other bodies also. Seems pretty easy to skirt then yeh.
Laras people sound like they're disputing the wbc version of what's going on. Hey how about Lara steering for your bwoy Castano though? Huge step up and great style clash if that title match comes off. But Lara hasn't faced that kind of speed in years, if ever.
The WBC has the clean boxing program which works hand in hand with VADA, I believe the WBA also has a program with VADA. I just don't understand why Lara's team requested to be removed from the WBC ratings, just because they are targeting another bodies belt. It seems kind of unheard of. If he won the other bodies belt, the WBC would the automatically remove him from their ratings. Something doesn't add up there.
Yea I hope the Castano fight comes off. Lara impressed the hell out of me in the Hurd fight, so he is still a force in my opinion. It will be Castano's biggest challenge to date. I think he brings all the necessary tools to get the job done, but I'm far from confident.