I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

First and foremost I hope all you fuckers are doing well... Been a while since I posted here. I missed you (some not all) sad fucks. For those who don't know me damn! I've been gone too long. For those that do, fuck off! ;D

So I was thinking as Floyds career begins to wind down where will he end up in my all time list? Keep in mind lists are like assholes. Everybody's got one. Depending on how you rank fighters. He can be top 100, top 50 or in my case 30-40.
THE ONLY THING FLOYD LACKS COMPARED TO THESE GUYS IS OPPOSITION.
Even then he gets full credit from me for his fights vs. Chicanito Hernandez, Cotto, Corrales, Hatton, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo. Since the Mosley fight regardless of how you view his opposition he has fought some top names. He just makes them look mediocre. Even after he settled in vs. Maidana he was making him look slow and average at times.
Keep in mind I DON'T rank fighters whom I don't know enough of and or have not seen enough footage to judge them on. I simply refuse to rank fighters I've seen and know a lot of with fighters whom I've only read of. With that being said over time I've learned more and more about a lot of fighters whom 8 or 9 years ago I did not know much of and now today I can rank them.

Notable fighters I don't rank: Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard & Mickey Walker among others.

So here it is for you to shred & tare apart... Where does Floyd rank all time? Today for me anywhere between 30-40.

40. Oscar De La Hoya
39. Carlos Zarate
38. Miguel Canto
37. Manuel Ortiz
36. Lou Ambers
35. Dick Tiger
34. Marciano
33. Saldivar
32. Wilfredo Gomez
31. Holyfield
30. Olivares
29. Hopkins
28. Harada
27. Carlos Ortiz
26. Ike Williams
25. Hearns
24. M. Spinks
23. Jofre
22. Sanchez
21. Lopez
20. Arguello
19. Napoles
18. Emile
17. Kid Gavilan
16. Roy Jones
15. Hagler
14, Canzoneri
13. Pernell
12. Ross
11. Louis
10. Monzon
9. Chavez
8. SRL
7. Archie
6. Pep
5. Duran
4. Ezzard
3. Ali
2. Armstrong
1. SRR

Spam!

Just kidding! Welcome back!

By the way I scored the fight 115-113 for Floyd...

1. M
2. F
3. M
4. M
5. M
6. F
7. F
8. F
9. F
10. F (The toughest round to score for me)
11. M (Tough round to score)
12. F (Tough round to score)

My score card was:
1-floyd
2-floyd
3-marcos
4-marcos
5-marcos
6-floyd
7-floyd
8-marcos
9-floyd
10-floyd
11-floyd
12-marcos

For all his wild aggression, Maidana wasn't really connecting much. Remember punches to the hips, upper back, lower back and back of the head aren't scoring blows. Neither are dick punches.

Mick, just curious as to how u rank Roy ahead of Floyd, Hop, n Oscar? R u ranking more off of potential vs accomplishments?

I agree with number 1 so who cares about the rest.;)

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

Mick, just curious as to how u rank Roy ahead of Floyd, Hop, n Oscar? R u ranking more off of potential vs accomplishments?

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@mikeeod
RJJ catches a lot of shit for the latter part of his career... While it does take into consideration. My ranking consists of an all time career. This means opposition, accomplishments, titles, overall skills, wins vs. loses.
Take someone like Emile Griffith or Ezzard Charles with over 20 loses. Yes they form part of their record but it needs to be noted the loses came at the end of their careers.

RJJ was a supreme fighter unlike anything we have ever seen and probably will ever see. Part human part amazing. I used to rank RJJ very low on my lists about 5 yrs ago I don't even think he was in my top 30 until I took off my "hater" glasses and saw his career for what it was. Saw his skills without thinking well it's just Gonzalez or Kelly or it was a young Hopkins or a young Toney. RJJ at his peak was the most athletically gifted boxer that has ever stepped into a ring.

I say this often my lists tend to change as I learn more and more, years back I couldn't rank Ezzard, Canzoneri or Ross but I've been doing a lot of research and reading and watching as many of their fights as I could get a hold of.

Floyd's in my top 3 of all time easily.

Props for being brave and put out a list. Everybody will pick it apart. Good to see you around Mick!



I completely disagree but who cares....;D

well you seem to know what you are talking about which is nice. although i have a few problems with your list, its not too bad. i am like you though, there are certain fighters that i just dont know enough about. maybe i just dont know enough about ezzard charles but you seem to rank him really high for some reason. although he is arguably the best LHW ever.

for me, i cant rank floyd below top 25 but im sure that he is in my top 20. i havent made a list so i cant say for sure where. he isnt in my top 10 though.

i am glad that you have taken off your hater glasses for jones. he was so good and people just hate on him. IMO, he is the best fighter of the past 25 years.

Good to see you Cut i thought you might of died or something like think saddo did also i agree with alot of the list but not all of it but shit well thought out at least. After all this talk of rating think we should have atg list for old generation and the new one split up. Like form the 1900 to 1960's and the 1970's to like now and then have a ranking list for those eras kinda like hall of fame has i think. Anyhow i am curious how much footage did you get to see of the older fighters a lot of the older ones i have really search to see and read a fucking shit ton about sure as shit ain't easy i will tell you that.

Don't call it a comeback!! Ha. Agreed on his area of rank though ATG list can at times be as subjective and broad as even a p4p list. Titles, defences, opposition, or just looking at a guy and knowing he's more skilled...etc. Its a big difficult ball of wax at times. I'd have a hard time putting Sr. in the top 10 but that's just me. Jones I still have not cracking 20 ish and put Lopez ahead although like you said he too may take strikes because of lack of comp or even moving up. But on skill and pure craft Lopez, on athleticism and phenomenal reflex Jones. I still think Mayweather will always regret his departure immediately after Hatton as the division seemed to pass him by and he indeed missed some big opportunities to cement greatness. I gotta crash. Welcome back chief!

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

First and foremost I hope all you fuckers are doing well... Been a while since I posted here. I missed you (some not all) sad fucks. For those who don't know me damn! I've been gone too long. For those that do, fuck off! ;D

So I was thinking as Floyds career begins to wind down where will he end up in my all time list? Keep in mind lists are like assholes. Everybody's got one. Depending on how you rank fighters. He can be top 100, top 50 or in my case 30-40.
THE ONLY THING FLOYD LACKS COMPARED TO THESE GUYS IS OPPOSITION.
Even then he gets full credit from me for his fights vs. Chicanito Hernandez, Cotto, Corrales, Hatton, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo. Since the Mosley fight regardless of how you view his opposition he has fought some top names. He just makes them look mediocre. Even after he settled in vs. Maidana he was making him look slow and average at times.
Keep in mind I DON'T rank fighters whom I don't know enough of and or have not seen enough footage to judge them on. I simply refuse to rank fighters I've seen and know a lot of with fighters whom I've only read of. With that being said over time I've learned more and more about a lot of fighters whom 8 or 9 years ago I did not know much of and now today I can rank them.

Notable fighters I don't rank: Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard & Mickey Walker among others.

So here it is for you to shred & tare apart... Where does Floyd rank all time? Today for me anywhere between 30-40.

40. Oscar De La Hoya
39. Carlos Zarate
38. Miguel Canto
37. Manuel Ortiz
36. Lou Ambers
35. Dick Tiger
34. Marciano
33. Saldivar
32. Wilfredo Gomez
31. Holyfield
30. Olivares
29. Hopkins
28. Harada
27. Carlos Ortiz
26. Ike Williams
25. Hearns
24. M. Spinks
23. Jofre
22. Sanchez
21. Lopez
20. Arguello
19. Napoles
18. Emile
17. Kid Gavilan
16. Roy Jones
15. Hagler
14, Canzoneri
13. Pernell
12. Ross
11. Louis
10. Monzon
9. Chavez
8. SRL
7. Archie
6. Pep
5. Duran
4. Ezzard
3. Ali
2. Armstrong
1. SRR

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no HOLMES......no TYSON..........oh dear....also no Chris Eubank....surely a mistake


Job Biscuit (Having butter scones in the garden)!!!!




eh eh!!!

whether anyone agrees with it or not its a good effort

for me in terms of his actual carear and whos hes fought blaa blaa blaa you coud rank him somewhere between 30 and 40

i personally think that if all those fighters were to actually fight each other in some kind of lb4lb super tournament then floyd would finish a lot higher than 30 to 40th

as would calazaghe finish a lot higher than not on it :)

Mick!!! Oh sheit! Welcome back. Hella happy to see you here...

:cool: since 'selfies' have really kicked off, I imagine you've been pretty busy ay?

I agree with not rating people who you haven't seen.... I tried looking for footage of Harry Greb recently and it was like looking for footage of Jesus!