Your personal P4P 1 with their best three wins?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Baal

P4P 1 - Inoue
Top 3 wins - Rodriguez, Payano, Narvaez

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I'll go with this one. No contest.

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Me too.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Baal

P4P 1 - Inoue
Top 3 wins - Rodriguez, Payano, Narvaez

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I'll go with this one. No contest.

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In my opinion, the distance between Inoue and Usyk is very close. @Fenster did you reveal your list?

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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i quite like the topic as well, it is interesting when you bring in opponents best wins. that's where i feel usyk gets a boost

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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i quite like the topic as well, it is interesting when you bring in opponents best wins. that's where i feel usyk gets a boost

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To me Usyk is a dark horse #1 guy. I wouldn’t be shocked if he starts beating the heavyweights

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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Can I ask you who to list as your Crawford's best 3 wins?

That is definitely an interesting view when you look at 3 best wins. I'd peg Crawford top but wow..best was Postal, Burns and I'd say Beltran over Gamboa at time faced ???. Gamboa was coming up off year inactive..not to mention I just posted last week he was a guy who never realized full potential and got a generous push ;D:-X. P4p is just a marketing tag really. Usyk and Inoue and Loma have to take it from that pov. Of the three Inoue stands to notch another top though faded scalp right off.

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Originally Posted by Baal

P4P 1 - Inoue
Top 3 wins - Rodriguez, Payano, Narvaez

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I'll go with this one. No contest.

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In my opinion, the distance between Inoue and Usyk is very close. @Fenster did you reveal your list?

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I'd go with Loma. Why? When judging P4P I value talent/skill above names on the record. His style is unique, impossible to replicate, and he's beaten the strongest opposition in the least amount of fights.

Inoue has been my "favourite" for years, however, I don't believe his opposition is as strong. I think I can make a case for several guys... depending on the criteria.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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I certainly wouldn't put AJ above Crawford, I wouldn't have any heavyweight on a P4P list (unless they're exceptional), defeats the purpose. However, it depends on the criteria.

This is what I meant about "moving the goalposts."

Nobody can have Crawford no.1 based on opposition. However, if you think he's the most talented, fair enough. There's no current Manny's or Floyd's with a dozen of HOFamers on their record.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But
would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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Can I ask you who to list as your Crawford's best 3 wins?

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Certainly. The 3 that I would put are :
Burns - just because it was his breakthrough fight at elite level. People can think you’re gonna be great and have an outstanding career, but you’ve still got to go out and do it. And in the champion’s Back yard.
Beltran - more impressive than the Burns fight because Beltran had convincingly “beaten” Burns and got robbed on the cards.
Postol - fresh off winning the title off Matthysse and with 28-0 record, Postol wasn’t an easy fight whilst Crawford was moving up in weight as well.

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Originally Posted by Baal

P4P 1 - Inoue
Top 3 wins - Rodriguez, Payano, Narvaez

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I'll go with this one. No contest.

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In my opinion, the distance between Inoue and Usyk is very close. @Fenster did you reveal your list?

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I'd go with Loma. Why? When judging P4P I value talent/skill above names on the record. His style is unique, impossible to replicate, and he's beaten the strongest opposition in the least amount of fights.

Inoue has been my "favourite" for years, however, I don't believe his opposition is as strong. I think I can make a case for several guys... depending on the criteria.

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And the top 3 opponents? Number of fights can be dependant on many situations and opportunities, my opinion is tough challengers are better to measure

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Baal

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But
would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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Can I ask you who to list as your Crawford's best 3 wins?

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Certainly. The 3 that I would put are :
Burns - just because it was his breakthrough fight at elite level. People can think you’re gonna be great and have an outstanding career, but you’ve still got to go out and do it. And in the champion’s Back yard.
Beltran - more impressive than the Burns fight because Beltran had convincingly “beaten” Burns and got robbed on the cards.
Postol - fresh off winning the title off Matthysse and with 28-0 record, Postol wasn’t an easy fight whilst Crawford was moving up in weight as well.

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Arigatōgozaimashita, deciding a top 3 can be difficult. My opinion would be Gambao, Postol, Indongo

I think that people underrate Gamboa. He was a force at featherweight. He never proved to have slowed down before the Crawford fight. He still destroyed all of his opponents. Also, Gamboa went all out and Crawford proved that he could take it and give it back. It was a trial by fire that he passed.

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I think that people underrate Gamboa. He was a force at featherweight. He never proved to have slowed down before the Crawford fight. He still destroyed all of his opponents. Also, Gamboa went all out and Crawford proved that he could take it and give it back. It was a trial by fire that he passed.

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True enough one thing that comes to mind with Gamboa is he always had top notch reflex. He's exciting can't deny that. But he also received a ton of stroke and push hoping that he would fulfill the hype. Really he had terrible balance and defense and was prone to being rocked and dropped by the same punch in many of those early fights. He blew weight more than once and blew opportunities walking away from all but made million dollar fight and promotion after good win with De Leon to only lose massive time to lawsuit. Personally hated the Solis fight with the last thing we see is Solis eating a big fat pizza on fight day as he was draining down for fight and Gamboa had fattened up to point of refusing re weigh. He was very fortunate to be glued back together in what was Crawfords homecoming showcase and he did in fact go all out but another year of inactivity and weight were predictable anchors.

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Originally Posted by Baal

P4P 1 - Inoue
Top 3 wins - Rodriguez, Payano, Narvaez

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I'll go with this one. No contest.

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In my opinion, the distance between Inoue and Usyk is very close. @Fenster did you reveal your list?

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I'd go with Loma. Why? When judging P4P I value talent/skill above names on the record. His style is unique, impossible to replicate, and he's beaten the strongest opposition in the least amount of fights.

Inoue has been my "favourite" for years, however, I don't believe his opposition is as strong. I think I can make a case for several guys... depending on the criteria.

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And the top 3 opponents? Number of fights can be dependant on many situations and opportunities, my opinion is tough challengers are better to measure

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Baal

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fair play, Fenny, this is a really interesting thread.
My p4p #1 would be either Crawford or Inoue. But if you put AJ’s best 3 wins (Wlad, Povetkin and Parker Whyte.) then If you judged it with this formula, that would stack up pretty well against Crawford.
But
would you put AJ above Crawford? Like I said, it’s interesting.

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Can I ask you who to list as your Crawford's best 3 wins?

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Certainly. The 3 that I would put are :
Burns - just because it was his breakthrough fight at elite level. People can think you’re gonna be great and have an outstanding career, but you’ve still got to go out and do it. And in the champion’s Back yard.
Beltran - more impressive than the Burns fight because Beltran had convincingly “beaten” Burns and got robbed on the cards.
Postol - fresh off winning the title off Matthysse and with 28-0 record, Postol wasn’t an easy fight whilst Crawford was moving up in weight as well.

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Arigatōgozaimashita, deciding a top 3 can be difficult. My opinion would be Gambao, Postol, Indongo

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Loma's top three? In no order... Rigo, Linares and Walters (I think the Walters win is very underrated - not only were there "experts" picking him, he was unbeaten, KO'd Donaire and Darchinyan, beat Unbeaten Marriaga and subsequent title holder Sosa). And Loma forced these no. 1 ranked "champions," in their respective divisions, to quit.