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What was your scorecard at the time of the Kov-Canelo fight stoppage?
For me, I thought Kovalev fought a weird fight almost as though he was scared of exchanging. Maybe the last fight was a nightmare round too soon or something, but I thought on the whole he implemented a fair tactical approach by keeping distance and trying to win by utilizing his range. For long stretches it worked. Canelo was inactive and at half way was 5-1 down and many online seem to agree.
It did tighten after, but both fighters had their moments. Kovalev refused to commit though and even with Canelo taking a break didn't try to hurt him. It was very strange, but in its own way an effective performance. However, by throwing so much and not causing damage due to even the jab being a touching one, Canelo was still alive. Thus Kov got sloppy and chinned. I think Canelo was a bit lucky tbh and if Kov had been more careful he would have still....been robbed on the cards.
I had it 7-3 Kovalev after the 10th. How did you have it?
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I had it all square going into the 11th. Except for 1 round I had it the same as Enzo Maccarinelli.
I think he gave the 3rd or 4th to Kov and I gave it to Canelo. Consequently with the swing he had Kov 2 up going into the 11th.
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I had it even, 5 rounds each.
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I had it Kov 96 - 94 Canelo
A lot of tight rounds because whilst Canelo wasn't doing a lot, Kov wasn't exactly moving mountains either, his jab which has been so effective and underrated in the past was little more than an irritant for Canelo.
The frustrating thing was that it was clear that there was a lot more to come from Canelo but for whatever reason he didn't fancy switching it up a notch.
I asked my mate how he had it and he said that he had Canelo 1 round up and that he was scoring it favorably to Canelo as it was in Vegas.
I'm actually glad that Canelo got the stoppage to take it out of the judges hands, I fucking hate the little ginger prick but you can't take that win away from him.
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Gandalf
For me, I thought Kovalev fought a weird fight almost as though he was scared of exchanging. Maybe the last fight was a nightmare round too soon or something, but I thought on the whole he implemented a fair tactical approach by keeping distance and trying to win by utilizing his range. For long stretches it worked. Canelo was inactive and at half way was 5-1 down and many online seem to agree.
It did tighten after, but both fighters had their moments. Kovalev refused to commit though and even with Canelo taking a break didn't try to hurt him. It was very strange, but in its own way an effective performance. However, by throwing so much and not causing damage due to even the jab being a touching one, Canelo was still alive. Thus Kov got sloppy and chinned. I think Canelo was a bit lucky tbh and if Kov had been more careful he would have still....been robbed on the cards.
I had it 7-3 Kovalev after the 10th. How did you have it?
Kovalev was being led all fight. Canelo was the lead dance partner and Kov the follow. All night Canelo moved him around the ring and even signaled to him where he should throw. You have to invert so much of what your eyes are telling you to believe that Alvarez was frustrated by some kind of genius tactic and then got lucky, it nullifies most of your argument. The many people agreeing withe you online that Canelo was 5-1 down, proves exactly how underrated Canelo continues to be.
I did not score every round but could not see more than a round between them at the time of the stoppage.
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Canelo is still overrated. Kovalev didn't attempt to hurt his opponent and likely fought shy due to modest camp and being rocked hars last time. He was also seemingly happy to be there rather than wanting to
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hurt his opponent. His jabs were almost there to disrupt rather than hurt, but plenty were landing. Strange, strange fight and still he was up against this so called modern great. Funny world. It was a late Wlad style showing. Still enough to be up until the stamina went.
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Surprised at the comments above?!
Even?!
The fight was boring but Kovalev was winning 8-2 or a generous 7-3 until the knock out..he made it boring and used his best weapon to keep Canelo honest..unfortunately, the Ward syndrome hit him again and he starts to fade late in the fight.
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It seems it is easier for Canelo to relax and take his time, not having to worry or stress about judges not scoring for him, than most other boxers who do not have that privilege.
Had it 8-2 Kov
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I had it 7-3 for Kovalev. I thought a draw was the best you could have it. Kovalev dictated most of the fight pretty clearly. I thought maybe it was just bias, but I found many boxing experts and fans who agreed with me. Canelo didn’t throw much and didn’t land many big shots despite the commentators acting as if every shot was monstrous.
Kovalev and his trainer knew that he was damaged goods so they fought extra cautious. I won’t get into Canelo’s advantages for the fight, but needless to say, Kovalev’s chin is completely gone at this point. The shot he got hit with wasn’t that big and it’s not like he was getting blasted with shots all night.
Overall it was a legit win for Canelo, but what we all see at the end is exactly why they picked Kovalev to fight.
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Wasn't carefully keeping score, just felt it was about even and that there wasn't much in most of the rounds. It was clear as day Kovalev didn't want it to become a fight and was playing keep away, I also thought Canelo was way to patient considering so. Expected the scorecards to be more lopsided for Canelo at the time of the stoppage, but was fine with how the judges had it and I think Canelo knew he had to turn it up as the stoppage didn't just come to him as he had hoped. Not sure why Kovalev was talking about fighting on, he must have been paid nicely for that and he is finished.
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I think many score with their hatred of Clanelo, maybe Klanvelev was slightly up but it seems to be ignored that the combination with :57 left in the round culminating with the chopping right with :54 left in the round staggered Klanvelev. It’s really no surprise he was KOed soon after.
At some point Clanelo has to get respect for having BY FAR the best resume in the game. Some debatable decisions but you get that when you fight SO MANY top guys.
Would love to see a more talented fighter like Loma or Crawford start fighting the quality opponents like Clanelo does.(without stacking the deck as Clanelo does)
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Had it 7-3 for Kovalez as well at the time of the stoppage. Talk of Kovalez fighting like a terrified fragile little ol man is a bit much but in fairness he did collapse like the ceiling fell in on him. He was boxing behind the jab maybe preserving a lead and working a smart plan, it happens after all. It was known he could be a disciplined boxer going in regardless of all the 'Krusher' stuff. Canelo has matured to be pretty methodical and calculating but he was pretty straight line and the vaunted body attack was largely left back at the hotel suite. Loved the conclusion either way as clearly it was headed to yet another three blind mice iffy reading of the cards. Didn't think it was so boring and the feel of 'just a matter of time before he gets clipped' never really kicked it, probably one of the more sudden and rapid turn arounds I can remember lately and all credit to Canelo for lowering the boom.
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I think many score with their hatred of Clanelo, maybe Klanvelev was slightly up but it seems to be ignored that the combination with :57 left in the round culminating with the chopping right with :54 left in the round staggered Klanvelev. It’s really no surprise he was KOed soon after.
At some point Clanelo has to get respect for having BY FAR the best resume in the game. Some debatable decisions but you get that when you fight SO MANY top guys.
Would love to see a more talented fighter like Loma or Crawford start fighting the quality opponents like Clanelo does.(without stacking the deck as Clanelo does)
Agreed about Loma but Crawford cleaned out his division and is wanting to clean out welterweight too. Crawford could jump up and weight drain J rock and beat him too. I’m more hoping that other welters will actually fight him.
It’s easy to get the fights you want when you are giving everyone their biggest payday and you dictate all of the terms. So I agree that he does have a better resume, but as I’ve said many times before, there are a handful of fighters that could do the same thing or even better if given the same opportunities.
Canelo is really good, but I would much rather him just clean out a division instead of jumping around and picking and choosing who he gets to fight to make “history.”
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It seems the consensus is that Kovalev was up by between 2 to 6 points with a few arguing it was even. Nobody had Canelo up. I still think Kovalev fought a strange fight and something about it all felt a bit off for me. I can understand wanting to use a jab, but only the jab and not jab to the body more and not to use it with any degree of force at all?
Something about it doesn't sit right with me. Was Kovalev gun shy after being hurt again in the last fight and being stopped a year before that too? Was he scared about his stamina? If so it is strange as Canelo has stamina issues and if pounded to the body or head would have had to take note himself. I won't say fix, but it was odd and even with that oddness Kovalev was still winning the fight handily by sparring and seemingly not trying to hurt his opponent.
He seemed too happy before and after and maybe he is at peace and was happy with the payday and knows his time is up. I hope it wasn't the case, but it would have been nice to see some intensity and to try a few different looks. It was a weird latter day Wlad style showing. Effective, but kind of underwhelming.
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Well, if it was a woman in there I’m sure he would have been more aggressive. People can take comfort knowing that.
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It seems the consensus is that Kovalev was up by between 2 to 6 points with a few arguing it was even. Nobody had Canelo up. I still think Kovalev fought a strange fight and something about it all felt a bit off for me. I can understand wanting to use a jab, but only the jab and not jab to the body more and not to use it with any degree of force at all?
Something about it doesn't sit right with me. Was Kovalev gun shy after being hurt again in the last fight and being stopped a year before that too? Was he scared about his stamina? If so it is strange as Canelo has stamina issues and if pounded to the body or head would have had to take note himself. I won't say fix, but it was odd and even with that oddness Kovalev was still winning the fight handily by sparring and seemingly not trying to hurt his opponent.
He seemed too happy before and after and maybe he is at peace and was happy with the payday and knows his time is up. I hope it wasn't the case, but it would have been nice to see some intensity and to try a few different looks. It was a weird latter day Wlad style showing. Effective, but kind of underwhelming.
I don’t want to sound like a complete Canelo hater or conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing has seemed fishy. When I first heard people talking about this being rigged, I completely dismissed it. I’m not claiming anything definitive, but I do agree that this whole thing seemed a bit strange.
I’m honestly trying to be neutral, but I’ve never felt like this for any other fight. There are so many oddities surrounding it.
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It seems the consensus is that Kovalev was up by between 2 to 6 points with a few arguing it was even. Nobody had Canelo up. I still think Kovalev fought a strange fight and something about it all felt a bit off for me. I can understand wanting to use a jab, but only the jab and not jab to the body more and not to use it with any degree of force at all?
Something about it doesn't sit right with me. Was Kovalev gun shy after being hurt again in the last fight and being stopped a year before that too? Was he scared about his stamina? If so it is strange as Canelo has stamina issues and if pounded to the body or head would have had to take note himself. I won't say fix, but it was odd and even with that oddness Kovalev was still winning the fight handily by sparring and seemingly not trying to hurt his opponent.
He seemed too happy before and after and maybe he is at peace and was happy with the payday and knows his time is up. I hope it wasn't the case, but it would have been nice to see some intensity and to try a few different looks. It was a weird latter day Wlad style showing. Effective, but kind of underwhelming.
I don’t want to sound like a complete Canelo hater or conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing has seemed fishy. When I first heard people talking about this being rigged, I completely dismissed it. I’m not claiming anything definitive, but I do agree that this whole thing seemed a bit strange.
I’m honestly trying to be neutral, but I’ve never felt like this for any other fight. There are so many oddities surrounding it.
I agree. Even the fight being made sounded strange. Then we hear that Kovalev had little preparation time, had just had a tough fight. A few days before we hear about the weight clause. Then Kovalev comes to the ring first. The strange card they kept popping up. The awful commentary. The peculiar style from Kovalev. Something seems off.
Maybe not a set up, but there are indications of it. Kovalev was winning by just staying away, yet he always at least tries to land something big and why wouldn't you at least when fresh against Canelo. There was every chance Canelo could be put down like Hopkins or Ward. There was none of of that from Kovalev. Surely he saw that GGG rocked Canelo several times and had him retreating. Just very weird, then the card on screen that made no sense to me and Kovalev just seeming so....happy.
Who knows, maybe he got hurt in sparring or something and with the damage in the last fight felt on his last legs, but it was strange. Don't get me wrong, I had him up and keeping a dwarf at bay as one should, but there should have been some hurt with it. Canelo hasn't been stopping anyone and Manny only went up and stopped Oscar with accumulation and output. Canelo had no output at all.
Just weird.
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For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
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For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
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For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
Not connected? Is that a joke?
You wont call it a "fix" but "odd." You agree it was fishy and bit strange after hearing about the conspiracy and accusations of fix, however, maybe not a "set up" but there are "indications of it".
The man you had easily winning ended up in hospital after suffering a brutal knock out. I fully stand by my comments, people like you shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing until you learn some respect and grasp the danger involved.
The rest of your queries prove how clueless you are.
1) Why did Kovalev fight so peculiar?
2) Why was Kovalev not trying to hurt Canelo?
3) How can Kovalev knockdown Hopkins and Ward but not Canelo?
4) Why was Kovalev so happy?
5) How come Golovkin hurt Canelo but Kovalev couldn't?
6) How come Canelo, who stops nobody, had no output yet ended it so fast, it took Manny volume to stop Oscar?
In the words of Roger Mayweather - you don't know shit about boxing. Fact.
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I suppose I'm glad I didn't watch the fight. Not only because the predictable conclusion was something I didn't want to see, but now because I probably would've been included in the group of people that "shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing." :rolleyes:
Regardless, here is a viewpoint from a third party regarding the fight. It was written before the fight itself, which is something to consider.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story...nnady-golovkin
"Column: Has Canelo Alvarez overestimated the interest fans have in a Sergey Kovalev fight?"
It bears mentioning that the writer seems of Hispanic descent, and the column was written for the Los Angeles Times.
Nothing remarkable here. The only aspect that stands out to me is the comparable lack of interest as noted by Hernandez.
Maybe boxing fans are more intelligent than we sometimes give them credit for. Why get all worked up for a fight whose predictable outcome is a foregone conclusion?
Why watch a poker game, when one of the contestants has a stacked deck of cards at his disposal, and all his poker hands will have 5 or 6 aces?
"At 36, Kovalev is physically diminished. He also could be psychologically damaged, as the menacing aura that made him special was seemingly extinguished by a couple of losses to Andre Ward.
Ward revealed that Kovalev was particularly vulnerable to body punches, which are a specialty of Alvarez.
Alvarez has explained that he chose to fight Kovalev because of the opportunity to win a world title in a fourth weight class. But Kovalev wasn’t the only fighter who offered him that chance. There are two other fighters who hold versions of the light-heavyweight championship, Artur Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol.
So why did Alvarez pick Kovalev? Kovalev has the most recognizable name, but another factor could be that Beterbiev and Bivol are undefeated."
Not written by a Canelo hater. Not written by someone who "shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing". But written by a sportswriter for the LA Times.
But it resonates with a lot of people. He makes no mention of the rehydration clause. I'm assuming he didn't know either, otherwise the article would've been more critical.
I certainly hope people don't get scared or bullied into giving Canelo more credit than he's due. Yes.... he was the one in there with Kovalev, trading punches, albeit a diminished Kovalev.
I think the writer nails a very important point. Canelo's true excellence is that of a matchmaker, ala Floyd Mayweather.
Maybe this is the future direction of the sport. Stage predictable fights designed only to bolster a megastar's image. Only that, according to Hernandez, the public isn't always easily fooled.
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https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/11...want-to-fight/
"Most would agree that Kovalev fought to survive, and not to win the fight. Kovalev was out-landed by Canelo in rounds 4 through 10, and not willing to mix it up."
"Kovalev didn’t want to commit to anything as far as power shots go. He just threw WEAK jabs. These weren’t the power jabs that we’d seen from Kovalev in the past. He was just making contact with Canelo, and he looked worried about being countered to the body. At all costs, Kovalev wasn’t going to let Canelo get close enough to land to his midsection."
Oh yeah. Nobody saw this coming at all. :rolleyes:
"It wasn’t the pressure from Canelo that wore Kovalev out in the 11th. That was just Kovalev naturally fading like he always does in the second half of his fights."
"For a fighter that was once the best KO artist in the division, he was too tentative tonight. Kovalev fought with no ambition like a guy that had already gotten his big payday, and he wasn’t going to put in the effort to win. He looked frightened of getting hit in return by a much smaller fighter in Canelo. The picture of the fight was a much bigger man being chased around the ring by a smaller guy. It looked wrong, and left a bad imprint in this writer’s mind. How do you run from a guy that is smaller and moving up 2 weight divisions?"
LMAO. ;D
Sad part is...... history will only see it as a knockout win by Canelo over the "feared" puncher/bully Kovalev of the 175-lb division. Canelo jumping two weight classes to fight this fearsome opponent.
Nothing about rehydration clauses, Kovalev's timidness (completely chronicled by anyone who does know shit about boxing), Kovalev's running out of gas (which you can practically set your watch by)..... or any of the other factors involved.
Bravo.
Matchmaking at its absolute finest.
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For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
Not connected? Is that a joke?
You wont call it a "
fix" but "
odd." You agree it was
fishy and bit
strange after hearing about the
conspiracy and accusations of
fix, however, maybe not a
"set up" but there are
"indications of it".
The man you had easily winning ended up in hospital after suffering a brutal knock out. I fully stand by my comments, people like you shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing until you learn some respect and grasp the danger involved.
The rest of your queries prove how clueless you are.
1)
Why did Kovalev fight so peculiar?
2) Why was Kovalev not trying to hurt Canelo?
3) How can Kovalev knockdown Hopkins and Ward but not Canelo?
4) Why was Kovalev so happy?
5) How come Golovkin hurt Canelo but Kovalev couldn't?
6) How come Canelo, who stops nobody, had no output yet ended it so fast, it took Manny volume to stop Oscar?
In the words of Roger Mayweather - you don't know shit about boxing. Fact.
That is a very poor and aggressive post. Those were valid queries and don't tell us anything about not knowing about boxing.
You are just flipping from your stupid and pointless suggestions regarding death when talking about a fighter who rarely hurts anyone on his level.
Kovalev fought an odd, yet curiously effective fight. There is nothing spurious or controversial about that.
What is more controversial is suggesting there might have been something behind it. Be it Kov being scared due to chin issues, lack of a camp, or whatever, but these are all questions worth raising.
You need to calm down. This isn't a thread about child trannies. It cannot have triggered you that much.
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Gandalf
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Fenster
For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
Not connected? Is that a joke?
You wont call it a "
fix" but "
odd." You agree it was
fishy and bit
strange after hearing about the
conspiracy and accusations of
fix, however, maybe not a
"set up" but there are
"indications of it".
The man you had easily winning ended up in hospital after suffering a brutal knock out. I fully stand by my comments, people like you shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing until you learn some respect and grasp the danger involved.
The rest of your queries prove how clueless you are.
1)
Why did Kovalev fight so peculiar?
2) Why was Kovalev not trying to hurt Canelo?
3) How can Kovalev knockdown Hopkins and Ward but not Canelo?
4) Why was Kovalev so happy?
5) How come Golovkin hurt Canelo but Kovalev couldn't?
6) How come Canelo, who stops nobody, had no output yet ended it so fast, it took Manny volume to stop Oscar?
In the words of Roger Mayweather - you don't know shit about boxing. Fact.
That is a very poor and aggressive post. Those were valid queries and don't tell us anything about not knowing about boxing.
You are just flipping from your stupid and pointless suggestions regarding death when talking about a fighter who rarely hurts anyone on his level.
Kovalev fought an odd, yet curiously effective fight. There is nothing spurious or controversial about that.
What is more controversial is suggesting there might have been something behind it. Be it Kov being scared due to chin issues, lack of a camp, or whatever, but these are all questions worth raising.
You need to calm down. This isn't a thread about child trannies. It cannot have triggered you that much.
I need to calm down? Aggressive? You need to grow some balls you silly cunt. You're thick as fuck when it comes to boxing, it's not a slight on your entire life, area of "knowledge" or personality. You're a child. A sick freak. It doesn't mean I don't like or respect you.
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Fenster
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Gandalf
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Fenster
For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
Not connected? Is that a joke?
You wont call it a "
fix" but "
odd." You agree it was
fishy and bit
strange after hearing about the
conspiracy and accusations of
fix, however, maybe not a
"set up" but there are
"indications of it".
The man you had easily winning ended up in hospital after suffering a brutal knock out. I fully stand by my comments, people like you shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing until you learn some respect and grasp the danger involved.
The rest of your queries prove how clueless you are.
1)
Why did Kovalev fight so peculiar?
2) Why was Kovalev not trying to hurt Canelo?
3) How can Kovalev knockdown Hopkins and Ward but not Canelo?
4) Why was Kovalev so happy?
5) How come Golovkin hurt Canelo but Kovalev couldn't?
6) How come Canelo, who stops nobody, had no output yet ended it so fast, it took Manny volume to stop Oscar?
In the words of Roger Mayweather - you don't know shit about boxing. Fact.
That is a very poor and aggressive post. Those were valid queries and don't tell us anything about not knowing about boxing.
You are just flipping from your stupid and pointless suggestions regarding death when talking about a fighter who rarely hurts anyone on his level.
Kovalev fought an odd, yet curiously effective fight. There is nothing spurious or controversial about that.
What is more controversial is suggesting there might have been something behind it. Be it Kov being scared due to chin issues, lack of a camp, or whatever, but these are all questions worth raising.
You need to calm down. This isn't a thread about child trannies. It cannot have triggered you that much.
I need to calm down? You need to grow some balls you silly cunt. You're thick as fuck when it comes to boxing, it's not a slight on your entire life, area of "knowledge" or personality. You're a child. A sick freak. It doesn't mean I don't like or respect you.
Yes, you should calm down. You sound emotional. Your Beanz impression is impressing nobody. I am a child? A sick freak? Rather strange response to a few questions. I guess you are trying to shut the thread down. Sad really.
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For fucks sake, what an embarrassment, I thought this "staged" lark was from the youtube race baiter paranoid spastic channels :vd:
You people shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing. Maxim Dadashev died a few months back after his trainer, Buddy McGirt (Kovalev's trainer), pulled him out of a fight in the 11th round. Just last month Patrick Day never woke up after getting knocked out.
Kovalev was bludgeoned unconscious, he spent the night in hospital not a fucking nightclub divvying up the winnings.
I don't think anybody here has said the knockout was 'fake'. People are simply pointing out peculiarities and it was peculiar as Kovalev was fighting a small man, has likely been hit a lot more and harder, and fought very strangely.
Why you are bringing up death or telling people they shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing is beyond me. Simply not an argument or connected with anything anyone is saying.
Not connected? Is that a joke?
You wont call it a "
fix" but "
odd." You agree it was
fishy and bit
strange after hearing about the
conspiracy and accusations of
fix, however, maybe not a
"set up" but there are
"indications of it".
The man you had easily winning ended up in hospital after suffering a brutal knock out. I fully stand by my comments, people like you shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing until you learn some respect and grasp the danger involved.
The rest of your queries prove how clueless you are.
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Why did Kovalev fight so peculiar?
2) Why was Kovalev not trying to hurt Canelo?
3) How can Kovalev knockdown Hopkins and Ward but not Canelo?
4) Why was Kovalev so happy?
5) How come Golovkin hurt Canelo but Kovalev couldn't?
6) How come Canelo, who stops nobody, had no output yet ended it so fast, it took Manny volume to stop Oscar?
In the words of Roger Mayweather - you don't know shit about boxing. Fact.
That is a very poor and aggressive post. Those were valid queries and don't tell us anything about not knowing about boxing.
You are just flipping from your stupid and pointless suggestions regarding death when talking about a fighter who rarely hurts anyone on his level.
Kovalev fought an odd, yet curiously effective fight. There is nothing spurious or controversial about that.
What is more controversial is suggesting there might have been something behind it. Be it Kov being scared due to chin issues, lack of a camp, or whatever, but these are all questions worth raising.
You need to calm down. This isn't a thread about child trannies. It cannot have triggered you that much.
I need to calm down? You need to grow some balls you silly cunt. You're thick as fuck when it comes to boxing, it's not a slight on your entire life, area of "knowledge" or personality. You're a child. A sick freak. It doesn't mean I don't like or respect you.
Yes, you should calm down. You sound emotional. Your Beanz impression is impressing nobody. I am a child? A sick freak? Rather strange response to a few questions. I guess you are trying to shut the thread down. Sad really.
Grow up you fucking baby, if I was doing Beanz i'd have told you half my life story and brought up a dozen other members.
All I did is call you a thick as fuck bad loser who don't know shit about boxing. You're more than welcome to tell me to fuck off. And that's all she wrote.
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Eh? I know wnough about boxing to have watched most major fights over the past 30 years. This is one of them odd ones with even Badou Jack, who surely knows shit suggesting 'fix'. The questions were valid and I haven't said that it was a fake KO, but do think it was a very peculiar fight.
No need for the personal stuff. You are a Mod and know better.
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I really don’t think it was fixed because I think the KO was real. Fighters aren’t going to allow their opponent a free shot to actually knock them out. I know that most of the oddities can be explained pretty easily but whatever. I give Canelo credit where credit is due. It was a legit win. Most fighters couldn’t go up in weight like that and beat even a faded Kovalev. I get that and am not denying that fact.
Kovalev just seemed happy to be there. His Krusher mentality was completely gone as was his chin. He didn’t seem like that even with Yarde. He still wasn’t anywhere near the old Kovalev, but he seemed to really go for it against Yarde and survive a much bigger onslaught of punches. Maybe the rehydration clause really wore him out or maybe at his age not getting enough time between fights really was too much for him. Either way, Kovalev was a different fighter that night. I think we all saw that. I’ve seen his other losses and he looked depressed afterwards. This loss he looked completely fine and happy. Just strange.
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Eh? I know wnough about boxing to have watched most major fights over the past 30 years. This is one of them odd ones with even Badou Jack, who surely knows shit suggesting 'fix'. The questions were valid and I haven't said that it was a fake KO, but do think it was a very peculiar fight.
No need for the personal stuff. You are a Mod and know better.
There's no personal stuff, I'm allowed an opinion, if you're such a silly little snowflake that's your problem, i've already advised you to grow some balls and man up.
Badou Jack - "Respect to Canelo, he broke him down, hurt him, it was really close until Canelo ended it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=dA9VhkWqHsc
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I really don’t think it was fixed because I think the KO was real. Fighters aren’t going to allow their opponent a free shot to actually knock them out. I know that most of the oddities can be explained pretty easily but whatever. I give Canelo credit where credit is due. It was a legit win. Most fighters couldn’t go up in weight like that and beat even a faded Kovalev. I get that and am not denying that fact.
Kovalev just seemed happy to be there. His Krusher mentality was completely gone as was his chin. He didn’t seem like that even with Yarde. He still wasn’t anywhere near the old Kovalev, but he seemed to really go for it against Yarde and survive a much bigger onslaught of punches. Maybe the rehydration clause really wore him out or maybe at his age not getting enough time between fights really was too much for him. Either way, Kovalev was a different fighter that night. I think we all saw that. I’ve seen his other losses and he looked depressed afterwards. This loss he looked completely fine and happy. Just strange.
Respect.
You see, Miles, this how a non-snowflake took my perfectly reasonable comments and observations.
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I had Snow-nelo down 6-4 at that's time of those knockout. Means I had Kov up 6-4
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I really don’t think it was fixed because I think the KO was real. Fighters aren’t going to allow their opponent a free shot to actually knock them out. I know that most of the oddities can be explained pretty easily but whatever. I give Canelo credit where credit is due. It was a legit win. Most fighters couldn’t go up in weight like that and beat even a faded Kovalev. I get that and am not denying that fact.
Kovalev just seemed happy to be there. His Krusher mentality was completely gone as was his chin. He didn’t seem like that even with Yarde. He still wasn’t anywhere near the old Kovalev, but he seemed to really go for it against Yarde and survive a much bigger onslaught of punches. Maybe the rehydration clause really wore him out or maybe at his age not getting enough time between fights really was too much for him. Either way, Kovalev was a different fighter that night. I think we all saw that. I’ve seen his other losses and he looked depressed afterwards. This loss he looked completely fine and happy. Just strange.
Precisely what boxing pundits are saying. "Happy to be there"....... "fine and happy" after a devastating loss. And YES...... everyone saw that. Again, I didn't see the fight. But I've read enough accounts to know the story.
Besides, it's nothing vastly different to what I was saying would happen before the fight.
Kovalev is DONE. Canelo's timing couldn't have been more perfect.
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Fenny lashing out in a thread about a racist who preys on women getting knocked out. Is anyone surprised?
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Fenny lashing out in a thread about a racist who preys on women getting knocked out. Is anyone surprised?
Truss me, when "Fenny" lashes out, you will know.
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Kovalev was fighting 'strangely' because he was trying to fight Canelo Alvarez just like Buddy McGirt fought Simon Brown.
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I really don’t think it was fixed because I think the KO was real. Fighters aren’t going to allow their opponent a free shot to actually knock them out. I know that most of the oddities can be explained pretty easily but whatever. I give Canelo credit where credit is due. It was a legit win. Most fighters couldn’t go up in weight like that and beat even a faded Kovalev. I get that and am not denying that fact.
Kovalev just seemed happy to be there. His Krusher mentality was completely gone as was his chin. He didn’t seem like that even with Yarde. He still wasn’t anywhere near the old Kovalev, but he seemed to really go for it against Yarde and survive a much bigger onslaught of punches. Maybe the rehydration clause really wore him out or maybe at his age not getting enough time between fights really was too much for him. Either way, Kovalev was a different fighter that night. I think we all saw that. I’ve seen his other losses and he looked depressed afterwards. This loss he looked completely fine and happy. Just strange.
Respect.
You see, Miles, this how a non-snowflake took my perfectly reasonable comments and observations.
You can obviously add Alzheimer's to your list of ailments then, Beanz/Fenster. I was saying pretty similar things to begin with and yet you got triggered and launched pointless personal attacks. Fuck ya.
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Eh? I know wnough about boxing to have watched most major fights over the past 30 years. This is one of them odd ones with even Badou Jack, who surely knows shit suggesting 'fix'. The questions were valid and I haven't said that it was a fake KO, but do think it was a very peculiar fight.
No need for the personal stuff. You are a Mod and know better.
There's no personal stuff, I'm allowed an opinion, if you're such a silly little snowflake that's your problem, i've already advised you to grow some balls and man up.
Badou Jack - "Respect to Canelo, he broke him down, hurt him, it was really close until Canelo ended it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=dA9VhkWqHsc
He also said it seemed like a bit of a fix. In other words: 'Weird fight".
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@Gandalf and friends, please accept my sincerest apologies, on further review it was extremely harsh to conclude your viewership of boxing be revoked until an understanding and display of respect for fighters becomes apparent. It was extremely harsh to call you - pathetic childish snowflakes who don't know shit about boxing. It was never my intention to upset, anger or all round perturb any fellow Saddo comrades. I will strive to become a better human and learn to respect everyone's opinion regardless. Fenster.