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Come on guys, let’s define quitting in a boxing match.
BJS will get a load of abuse after what he said about Dubois.
It’s still not been confirmed that the eye socket was fractured or broken etc but it was a perfectly timed shot from the banned drug cheat Canelo.
If BJS continued after that damage he would have been easily knocked out.
It was the right decision for his career but what happens in his career from this point?
Yes it was a no mas.
BJS should fight Eubank but they have each other so much that he will not give Eubank the rematch be graves.
Callum Smith would have been good but he will move to light heavyweight.
BJS needs to build again if he wants Golovkin but think he should move down to middleweight.
BJS v Cash or Liam Williams would be good.
I doubt we’ll ever see him in a ring again for a number of reasons to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. He’s just earned £5 Million and not one of those fights mentioned above will earn him any more than a quarter of that, so why would he be motivated to fight?
2.IMO, He’s gonna spend a bit of time mending, then he’s gonna start blowing his wedge, with Zero interest in stepping between the ropes.
3. We’ve seen what this type of injury did to Kell Brook, and I don’t see BJS having the motivation or desire to go again.
4. He’ll have doubts in his mind naturally, and with that in mind, there is now way he would give Eubank Jr.
The chance to beat him when he’s on the slide. Don’t blame him tbf.
Nasty injury and could well be a career ending one, how anyone can call it a "no mas" incident when it was his trainer Mark Tibbs who pulled him out is laughable.
According to Mike Coppinger, Saunders (30-1, 14 KOs) will be having surgery on Sunday at the John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, Texas.
He spoke to Saunder’s promoter Eddie Hearn today at the hospital, and he informed him that Billy Joe had suffered what’s known as a “quadruped fracture” of his right orbital bone in the 8th round against Canelo.
Surgery will be performed today with the hope of repairing the problem. It’s unknown if Saunders will ever fight again.
The injury occurred when Canelo (56-1-2, 38 KOs) caught Saunders with a right-hand uppercut to his right eye area while he was leaning forward in the eighth round in their unification clash at the AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
That’s not good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
We must also remember the abuse that Daniel Dubois suffered from BJS and many others calling him a quitter!
There’s obviously “levels” of quitting then?
Mark did the right thing and BJS never complained about it - he was content with the decision.
Amir Khan is a perfect example of someone quitting against Crawford.
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5850&stc=1
BJS quote about Dubois. He is a piece of trash.
As a wise woman I celebrate this day would often say..what goes around comes around. Saunders looks foolish. Brutal legit injury though and makes me wonder how many guys from decades gone by took something similar but didn't have the ringside diagnosis and instant media follow up. Knowing your face is plated back together has to be a major thing to overcome mentally and guys like Saunders would seem to struggle more with it.
some fighters are tougher than others
It's 100% a No Mas. The guy quit it's that simple. He went to his corner and pretty much told them he couldn't see. Which is pretty much telling themQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
"Get me the fuck out of here. I don't want no more"
It's the reason he didn't protest it. He wanted it stopped. There's no way he knew at that time that it was broken. He just wanted it stopped. He didn't even ask for one more round. He wanted out. Diego Corrales I'm sure rolled over in his grave at Saunders cowardly act.
As for his injury? It's a bad one. So fucking what? He could of fought through it. Monster Inoue got his orbit bone (and nose) broken in the 2nd round. He still fought 10 more rounds against the murderess punching Nonito Donaire. Not once did he even consider quitting. I understand Inoue and Saunders are not cut from the same cloth. Saunders should of still fought on. Or at least pretended he wanted to fight on
What a fucking idiot...
I think Fury would have possibly fought on?
Does not matter if he would or not. It was the correct decision from his corner and saved Saunders permanent life changing repercussions from the injury. BJS face was indented and that was a shockingly brutal injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...-quit-24119021
Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
You're thinking about the knockdown against Wilder in their 1st fight.
One thing is to get up from a punch which knocks you senseless for a few seconds... but you beat the count and feel you can continue. Quite another is to suddenly have your face caved in by a punch which breaks numerous bones in your eye socket, thrown by a former junior welter. When you look at it from that point of view, things look a lot different.
im not sure the money is a convincing argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI doubt we’ll ever see him in a ring again for a number of reasons to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. He’s just earned £5 Million and not one of those fights mentioned above will earn him any more than a quarter of that, so why would he be motivated to fight?
2.IMO, He’s gonna spend a bit of time mending, then he’s gonna start blowing his wedge, with Zero interest in stepping between the ropes.
3. We’ve seen what this type of injury did to Kell Brook, and I don’t see BJS having the motivation or desire to go again.
4. He’ll have doubts in his mind naturally, and with that in mind, there is now way he would give Eubank Jr.
The chance to beat him when he’s on the slide. Don’t blame him tbf.
if i had 5 million pounds and someone offered me another 1.25 million id still be interested
Even though you would be risking blindness?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44im not sure the money is a convincing argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI doubt we’ll ever see him in a ring again for a number of reasons to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. He’s just earned £5 Million and not one of those fights mentioned above will earn him any more than a quarter of that, so why would he be motivated to fight?
2.IMO, He’s gonna spend a bit of time mending, then he’s gonna start blowing his wedge, with Zero interest in stepping between the ropes.
3. We’ve seen what this type of injury did to Kell Brook, and I don’t see BJS having the motivation or desire to go again.
4. He’ll have doubts in his mind naturally, and with that in mind, there is now way he would give Eubank Jr.
The chance to beat him when he’s on the slide. Don’t blame him tbf.
if i had 5 million pounds and someone offered me another 1.25 million id still be interested
Also imagine you were earning a grand a week and you lost your job. Another company offers you £250 a week to take the same job, maybe even start a tad lower and work your way up the ladder. Would you take it?
nah I wouldnt risk blindness, money doesnt make you rich :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraEven though you would be risking blindness?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44im not sure the money is a convincing argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI doubt we’ll ever see him in a ring again for a number of reasons to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. He’s just earned £5 Million and not one of those fights mentioned above will earn him any more than a quarter of that, so why would he be motivated to fight?
2.IMO, He’s gonna spend a bit of time mending, then he’s gonna start blowing his wedge, with Zero interest in stepping between the ropes.
3. We’ve seen what this type of injury did to Kell Brook, and I don’t see BJS having the motivation or desire to go again.
4. He’ll have doubts in his mind naturally, and with that in mind, there is now way he would give Eubank Jr.
The chance to beat him when he’s on the slide. Don’t blame him tbf.
if i had 5 million pounds and someone offered me another 1.25 million id still be interested
Also imagine you were earning a grand a week and you lost your job. Another company offers you £250 a week to take the same job, maybe even start a tad lower and work your way up the ladder. Would you take it?
and I don't disagree with what you said, If I was BJS id probably hang them up anyway
obviously in these situations it depends on peoples drive and willingness to stop, I mean I have very little drive when it comes to my work, i only go because i have to
i have drive when it comes to other things though that I struggle to put down and im actually not so sure they are good for my health
Billy Joe Saunders corner row escalates as ex-trainer explains his role
The row over Billy Joe Saunders' corner pulling him from his fight with Canelo Alvarez has escalated further after a detailed social media post from trainer Ben Davison.
Saunders' head coach Mark Tibbs claimed in a Twitter post that Davison was 'not in our training camp' for the build-up to the fight, and that Davison 'blew down his earhole' before they decided to end the contest.
The 31-year-old British fighter was undefeated heading into the massive matchup, which had an attendance of over 73,000 fans in Dallas, Texas, but had to get surgery following injuries inflicted by his Mexican opponent.
And top trainer Ben Davison, who cornered Tyson Fury for the first half of his incredible boxing comeback, took to Facebook to argue back against Tibbs' critiques.
In a lengthy post to his personal page, Davison appeared to mock Tibbs' tweet, where he claimed he wanted to 'clarify' some details around the stoppage. Davison said: "Just to 'clarify' a few things, I was approached by Billy Joe Saunders as soon as the fight was made.
"He came down to my gym to discuss and go over the fight, which Mark knows. I was then also asked and approached to do some sessions with him when landed in Vegas for Josh Taylor’s fight.
"I was then also asked to assist in the corner on the night, which I obliged... The fighter clearly values my input, the fighter himself can confirm all of the above.
"In the corner I was often asked for my input from mark by the way of 'Ben? What do you think?' Or other similar things said which is why at times I was vocal.
"During the last interactions in the corner, in my opinion the reason Billy Joe Saunders put in his statement, which to be clear was HIS statement, that came from HIM, in which HE says I was the one who got the corner to pull the fight was because he feels there was hesitancy from Mark about stopping the fight.
"This was shown when he said 'I'm giving you one more round' which as a friend and as a coach wasn’t an option considering the extent of the injury.
"Of course in the end Mark waved it off, but before that I felt in that situation someone needed to get a grip of the situation (which is why I whispered in his ear) and from Billy Joe Saunders' statement it seems HE feels that came from myself (his words, not mine)."
Davison went on to criticize how the aftermath of the fight was handled from Team Saunders, and reminding his readers that he was fully focused on Josh Taylor's upcoming fight this Saturday against Jose Ramirez in Vegas.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news...rtan-ntp-feeds