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Impeachment 2: The Trumpening
Well we might as well have a thread on this. Congress reconvenes January 19th, Biden will be inaugurated January 20th and therefore Donald J. Trump will then be FORMER President and the precedent for impeaching someone out of office is INCREDIBLY flimsy. Rep. James Clyburn (SC-D) said it might be 100 days until the second Impeachment of Donald Trump starts...so he'd be WELL out of office by then. But the plan of the Democrats isn't to remove Trump from office, but to keep him from ever running for or holding office ever again.....does that look like a move of strength to anyone? It looks like panic to me, but hey maybe they fear Trump growing in popularity and looking at the polls his support hasn't waned as of yet.
The articles of impeachment are mighty weak, the inciting language Trump used was, brace yourselves...try not to cry...the language was and I quote “if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore.” ....ok, ok, we're oooook, everything is going to be fine, don't cry...be tough! And that was in the very same speech where the same President Trump said and I quote again "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."......hmmm "peacefully"......it's like he KNEW!!!!
Anyway, have fun Impeachment speculators!
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For the record, my initial reaction was that I wasn't a fan of another impeachment process this late in the ballgame, with only days to go before Biden's inauguration. He himself has tried to distance himself a bit, knowing he's going to have his hands full with the rest of the mess Trump's left behind..... without having to also deal with an impeachment process. That was my initial reaction.
Yes... I'd like Trump out of the WH as soon as possible. Like a child bad loser, he's dropped all pretenses of even going through the motions on trivial stuff like COVID-19, and has bunkered himself in his little office... alternating between alienating his few remaining friends and allies.... and treating puppet Pence like a lap dog (worse really... because you don't slap lap dogs around). He's turned on those who have defended him all these years... all because of the cardinal sin of finally seeing reality and throwing in the towel (and quietly advising him to do the same). Sorry about the following parallel (you're not gonna like it obviously). But we've all read about Hitler's last days of life, where his delusional visions of victory caused the death of thousands of German soldiers, while he remained in his bunker... until there was nothing left to do but take his own life.
Yes... I'd like Trump out of the WH as soon as possible. BEFORE he continues doing the vindictive things he's doing like the mass pardons (even to convicted murderers) and fucking up foreign relations whenever he gets the chance. Like the awful tenant who leaves the leased apartment a mess to thumb his nose at the incoming tenant or the owner... Trump is doing his best to make things as difficult for Biden as possible from Day One. I want Trump out the White House before he can do ANY MORE DAMAGE.
But, impeachment? C'mon man. If there is any other way to prevent Trump from running again, then I'd go for that instead. Someone's gonna have to explain to me what possible good is going to come out of a second impeachment process, when all the first one did was make Trump more of a martyr in the eyes of many. This one is going to turn people yet again... who knows in what direction. Heaven knows some people nowadays seem to have their brains on a swivel... as evidenced by shifting popularity numbers and all that.
And yet... the permanent damage to American society is done. :(
One just has to look at this Neanderthal of a Representative from Georgia and her pathetic attempts to bring impeachment articles against Biden, to see this shit is beyond repair.
Any time for the next few months that I hear a politician claim that "this isn't who we are"...... I'm not going to be able to suppress a chuckle and raised eyebrow.
Those are empty words by now.
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TitoFan
One just has to look at this Neanderthal of a Representative from Georgia and her pathetic attempts to bring impeachment articles against Biden, to see this shit is beyond repair.
Some people are demanding to be heard and it's not going to be good for anyone if they aren't.
They weren't heard about how illegal the Russiagate investigation & torpedoing of Trump's term in office was.
They haven't been heard about their questions in regards to election fraud.
And so yes, they will use the exact same tactics against those that used it on them.
It parallels quite nicely with boxing. If the ref is allowing clinching then it should be allowed for both fighters, if the ref is allowing punching in the clinch he should allow it for both fighters....a fair fight is all one side is asking for and what they're getting is the deck stacked against them and then they're being told to shut up and take it. That's not going to lead to a happy outcome.
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If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
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The boxing analogy is excellent. The referee is allowing Chuck wepner to land not dozens but hundreds of rabbit punches over and over and over in Clearview. Muhammad Ali starts to complain by about the sixth round. Angelo Dundee starts to chime in by about the eighth round. In the 10th round Chuck wepner hits Muhammad Ali with about the 250th rabbit punch, so Ali grabs Chuck wepner in a headlock and he lands about 15 rabbit punches as fast as he can on the back of wepner's head.
Moral of the story:
Obvious and doesn't need to be stated.
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Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
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El Kabong
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Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I'm surprised. I thought the left was supposed to be tolerant and all inclusive. 89 million fans/followers of Trump are now supposed to be canceled and deleted? Demonized and brow beaten after a stolen election? Let's see how that works out.
I just posted very succinctly about cancel culture and how it is very very similar to 1917 bolshevism, and one of my zoom buddies just told me I was vile and sending out dog whistles, and that therefore I don't support black people's rights for equality. And wouldn't you know it, a mentally weak person actually agreed with him!
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Originally Posted by
Master
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
You see censorship and deleting a person/erasing a person IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC as sensible and fair and just?
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Master
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
You see censorship and deleting a person/erasing a person IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC as sensible and fair and just?
How did you get that from what I wrote?
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
You see censorship and deleting a person/erasing a person IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC as sensible and fair and just?
How did you get that from what I wrote?
I've seriously think we're living in two different universes because it says clear as day how I got that from what you wrote
you support taking action which will prevent Donald Trump from ever running from office again. That is in effect removing him and deleting him and censoring him and wiping him out.
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
You see censorship and deleting a person/erasing a person IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC as sensible and fair and just?
How did you get that from what I wrote?
I've seriously think we're living in two different universes because it says clear as day how I got that from what you wrote
you support taking action which will prevent Donald Trump from ever running from office again. That is in effect removing him and deleting him and censoring him and wiping him out.
What is clear is that Trump did not accidentally get impeached. It happened for at least 2 reasons and there is a process that was followed. Tump has no one to blame but himself.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
You see censorship and deleting a person/erasing a person IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC as sensible and fair and just?
How did you get that from what I wrote?
I've seriously think we're living in two different universes because it says clear as day how I got that from what you wrote
you support taking action which will prevent Donald Trump from ever running from office again. That is in effect removing him and deleting him and censoring him and wiping him out.
What is clear is that Trump did not accidentally get impeached. It happened for at least 2 reasons and there is a process that was followed. Tump has no one to blame but himself.
So just like the phony Russia gate that turned out to be a big goose egg, do you not think that the Democrats have been vindictive in this ? and do you realize that being impeached in the House of Representatives is completely meaningless because it will never be ratified by the Senate ?
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Master
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
So it'll be "sensible fair and just" to prevent Kamala Harris from running for office again when her time is up?
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For four years several times a day Trump even though the privilege he had given to him as President should have stopped him...insisted on being 'punitive and vindictive'.
The fact that El Kabong and Brock can ignore that shows that they too are not above aping his behaviour.
That they are willing to ignore millions who voted in a free and fair election presided over by Trump and his Judges, just hammers home the point.
You are both as pro censorship and pro cancel culture as it is possible to get.
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
If it guarantees that Trump can not stand 2024 then it is worth doing.
So punitive & vindictive is the path you wish us to travel down? That'll work out beautifully I am certain.
I see it as sensible, fair and just.
So it'll be "sensible fair and just" to prevent Kamala Harris from running for office again when her time is up?
So you are going to ignore everything that Trump has done? He is not innocent, there is a reason he has been impeached.
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Master
So you are going to ignore everything that Trump has done? He is not innocent, there is a reason he has been impeached.
Enlighten me @Master ......what has Trump done?
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El Kabong
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Master
So you are going to ignore everything that Trump has done? He is not innocent, there is a reason he has been impeached.
Enlighten me @
Master ......what has Trump done?
So you are going to pretend everything has been fine and dandy with Trump? He has been unfairly picked on and misunderstood?
In that case then Trump has done nothing wrong.
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Master
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El Kabong
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Master
So you are going to ignore everything that Trump has done? He is not innocent, there is a reason he has been impeached.
Enlighten me @
Master ......what has Trump done?
So you are going to pretend everything has been fine and dandy with Trump? He has been unfairly picked on and misunderstood?
In that case then Trump has done nothing wrong.
Why deflect from the question if Trump has done such horrible things? There should be a list a mile long the way you're acting Master. Go on, give me the top 10 or top 5, you don't even have to list EVERYTHING horrible he's done, I mean we've not got all day, just give me the greatest hits.
Tell me what Trump did which requires impeachment. And know full well that I'll be asking questions about what you post. I mean expect it. I want you to make a CASE like you're lead prosecutor, go on, you said what you said now back it up.
I'm not expecting this from you because I'm mean or vindictive, I want you to take the time to understand what you FEEL vs what you actually think because I believe you FEEL like you want Trump punished and your response has me thinking that you THINK you just don't like the guy and wish he could be punished.
But maybe I'm wrong, and so go on Mr. Prosecutor, make your case.
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See how El Kabong has to try and invalidate everyone? Even your right to state the obvious is turned into a demand from him that you do all the work and build a case for him to pick holes in.
Why?
Because the bastard doesn't even have anything to say.
Fucking 18 years of hot air.
You might as well turn your leaf blower on. You would at least have something more approaching an intelligent conversation.
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Beanz
See how El Kabong has to try and invalidate everyone? Even your right to state the obvious is turned into a demand from him that you do all the work and build a case for him to pick holes in.
Why?
Because the bastard doesn't even have anything to say.
Fucking 18 years of hot air.
You might as well turn your leaf blower on. You would at least have something more approaching an intelligent conversation.
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Master said and I'll quote him directly here
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So you are going to ignore everything that Trump has done? He is not innocent, there is a reason he has been impeached.
To which I asked a very simple question
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Enlighten me @
Master ......what has Trump done?
How is that "invalidating" anyone? I'm asking for @Master to present a logical argument and he demurred and deflected my question. And now like clockwork you're here.
I'd ask you the same question, but you're quite unreasonable when trying to converse...already calling me a bastard? Have you lost that flat calm and peace lovin' feelin' Beaner?
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Trump has done nothing wrong, it was all just a dream, as Bobby Ewing stepped out of the bath and Pam sees him.
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Master
Trump has done nothing wrong, it was all just a dream, as Bobby Ewing stepped out of the bath and Pam sees him.
I guess give up and don't engage in simple communication with me then.....that should help.
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Beanz, seriously, unless you brush up on United States law and protocol, you continue to say absurd things like Trump and his judges presided over the election.
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As I said in my initial post on this thread... I'm not in favor of impeachment for the mere sake of impeachment.
Going forward with the impeachment process will accomplish the following things:
a) It will detract time and energy from Biden's administration as he attempts to do his job.
b) It will make Trump a martyr, which is sure as HELL the least thing many of us want him to be.
c) It accomplishes nothing that can't be accomplished by pursuing legal actions outside of government processes, for any illegal actions he may have done during his entire tenure. (And NO... I'm not going to get into a discussion as to what those might be. That is not the point of the post.)
d) It will perpetuate the GIGANTIC CHASM that Trump created and Biden is (unsuccessfully) trying to fix.
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
Let the guy die a slow political death, sort of like the "bombastic" farewell party he threw for himself, where all of 200 people showed up to bade him farewell on his last trip aboard Air Force One.
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
See how El Kabong has to try and invalidate everyone? Even your right to state the obvious is turned into a demand from him that you do all the work and build a case for him to pick holes in.
Why?
Because the bastard doesn't even have anything to say.
Fucking 18 years of hot air.
You might as well turn your leaf blower on. You would at least have something more approaching an intelligent conversation.
You forgot to mention walrus
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walrus
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Beanz
See how El Kabong has to try and invalidate everyone? Even your right to state the obvious is turned into a demand from him that you do all the work and build a case for him to pick holes in.
Why?
Because the bastard doesn't even have anything to say.
Fucking 18 years of hot air.
You might as well turn your leaf blower on. You would at least have something more approaching an intelligent conversation.
You forgot to mention walrus
No, no he didn't. He mentions him a lot on the zoom
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TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
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Kirkland Laing
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TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
You got that from what I said???
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
You got that from what I said???
It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and............
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
You got that from what I said???
It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and............
A third party will never work but take votes away from Republicans. Actually it would be a good thing if he runs in 2024.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
You got that from what I said???
It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and............
A third party will never work but take votes away from Republicans. Actually it would be a good thing if he runs in 2024.
You see... I'm not anti-Republican. I'm just anti-Trump.
To address @Kirkland Laing , I'm pretty sure Trump won't be able to maintain his cult-like following at full strength after the weight of four years of normalcy, and the slew of legal trouble he'll likely (hopefully) be slogging through as a private citizen. Not to mention the fact that Congress could very well cook up a method by which Trump is barred from holding public office in the future... and it could very well be bipartisan.
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Already the rumor mill is saying things like Trump wanting to start a new political party, and shit like that. It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and these spineless jellyfish can't get some sort of backbone transplant.
You believe political parties can do far more than they actually can. They can't create good candidates. They can't do anything to make voters like politicians or make politicians more likeable. And they can't tell voters how to vote. If Trump is alive in 2024 and wants to run for the GOP nomination they'll be as successful in stopping him as they were in 2016. It's the voters who decide these things.
You got that from what I said???
It's pretty certain he won't be able to run under the GOP ticket again... unless the Republican Party truly has a death wish and............
A third party will never work but take votes away from Republicans. Actually it would be a good thing if he runs in 2024.
You see... I'm not anti-Republican. I'm just anti-Trump.
To address @
Kirkland Laing , I'm pretty sure Trump won't be able to maintain his cult-like following at full strength after the weight of four years of normalcy, and the slew of legal trouble he'll likely (hopefully) be slogging through as a private citizen. Not to mention the fact that Congress could very well cook up a method by which Trump is barred from holding public office in the future... and it could very well be bipartisan.
If he's alive and hasn't been locked up and manages to stay one step ahead of the Clinton hitmen he'll walk the 2024 GOP nomination. His fans aren't going anywhere. It just depends whether he wants to run again when it gets round to the time.
For congress to ban him from running again you'd need a guilty verdict from the impeachment trial and then a vote in the Senate. The GOP would like nothing better than to defenestrate him but they won't do anything that leaves fingerprints because the perpetrators would all get primaried by Trump supporters next time they're up for election and they care about their reelection far more than say the state of the country. If the trial and banning vote were secret votes he'd be history but none of them are going to do anything that leaves a public record of what they did. Other than Romney and a few stragglers.
