Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
Who promoting this fight?
Morales is not going to be so easy but I do believe JMM will win. But why this fight? This fight is not going to raise JMM stock any unless it's a fight of the year canny. JMM should be fight someone in the 140 division.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
I can't pretend that I am happy that this fight is coming off now. Five years ago, sure. But in 2010? Morales isn't at this kind of level any more and wasn't even when he first retired.
Just as I am critical of Pac/Mosley, I am critical of this fight too. A battle worn fighter against an experienced fighter who is still at the top of his division. It probably isn't the best way to go about getting Pac in the ring either. It is a valid point that unless Marquez actually shows something at 140 then why should Manny bother considering a fight with him. I have no issues with Marquez staying at 135, but if he is that hungry for Manny you would at least expect him to jump up one final weight for a couple of end of career fights and the possibility of a fight with Manny.
No, not a fight I can get excited about. I think Marquez stops Morales at this stage.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
bullshit fight in reality, same as Mosley/Pacquiao, i've not watch one fight of Morales' comeback and that's because i don't agree with it, he should be retired not clutching at what used to be, same as Barrera, Holyfield, etc.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
Who promoting this fight?
Morales is not going to be so easy but I do believe JMM will win. But why this fight? This fight is not going to raise JMM stock any unless it's a fight of the year canny. JMM should be fight someone in the 140 division.
Golden Boy. I agree with every reply in this thread thus far.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Sorry just saw 135, can Morales make this weight? Why the hell did he fight Limond who is a 135 lb fighter at 147?
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
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Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.
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Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.
a fresher Soto had a "close" fight with Diaz, Morales won that fight against Diaz by AT LEAST 3 rounds plus the extra point for the 1st round knockdown, it wasn't close by any means, highway robbery
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Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
Just to confirm this is at 135...
Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News
They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.
Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
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Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
Just to confirm this is at 135...
Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News
They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.
Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
No, I am in agreement. Morales beat Diaz quite clearly. It wasn't a particularly close fight, though it had its moments.
So, 135. Fair enough, but another gimme fight with no real intentions of pursuing Pacman. I will get off the Marquez crusade then. I wanted to see the fight, but seeing as Marquez is taking easy money fights too, then I cannot defend one fighter over the other.
Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Hate it. Marquez is very much on his a game while Morales has seen it pass him by long ago. I think Marquez will have his way and pin point all night, come about round 7,8 he'll really start to dislike doing it to a fellow great.
I've been one not terribly critical of Manny vs Mosley. While Mosley is not what he was he is far from getting dropped, staggered or just beaten up in any fashion over last few. He's been widely beaten by one of the premier guys in the sport, something Jmm can also say but even then he had him reeling, albeit for a moment. Mora? Who ever choose that 'style' for Shane should be slapped silly.
