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The flip side to the George Floyd mess
No one should be above criticism.
Here's Rep. Maxine Waters' exact quote while waiting to hear the verdict from the George Floyd murder case...
“Well, we’ve got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
The key word here is "confrontational."
con·fron·ta·tion·al
tending to deal with situations in an aggressive way; hostile or argumentative.
"Aggresive" and "hostile."
Ok. You could maybe excuse a regular protester for saying something like that, out of frustration.
But public officials should be held to a higher standard.
Just as Donald Trump was rightfully criticized for inciting the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6th..... so should Waters be censured for inciting violence while waiting for the verdict.
Fair's fair.
Now you've got the usual cast of characters defending her on national television... and the predictable divisions continue. :rolleyes: Not ONE Democrat or left-leaning figure with the balls to come out and say she was wrong.
Then you've got this.....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/le...out&li=BBnb7Kz
"LeBron James explains deleted tweet about police shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant"
This stems from the fatal shooting of a 16-year old black girl at the hands of police in Ohio, which happened to occur on the same day as the reading of the Chauvin verdict.
From the article:
On Wednesday afternoon, the Los Angeles Lakers star tweeted a photo that appeared to show the officer who was involved in the shooting of Bryant with the caption: "YOU'RE NEXT #ACCOUNTABILITY."
Except that released footage of the incident shows 16-year old MaKhia Bryant in mid-swing with a knife in her hand, about to stab another young black girl.
In a split-second decision, the officer who shot Bryant may have very well saved the other girl's life.
This VERY CLEAR footage, painfully more obvious when played in slo-mo, may be the only thing that is keeping the anti-cop, rabid left extremists somewhat under control.
Yet LeBron James, whose other social initiatives I've applauded in the past.... clearly went totally overboard in his knee-jerk reaction, which as a Congressman clearly stated soon after.....
Backlash was swift, with Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., accusing the NBA champion of inciting violence against a police officer.
"This is disgraceful and dangerous," he said. "Is the NBA okay with this? Is Twitter?"
What all this means is that there are harmful elements on BOTH sides of the equation. The Maxine Waters and LeBron James of the world aren't doing the cause any favors by shooting their mouths off like this. All they're doing is perpetuating the problem... and in fact giving the other side cannon fodder with which to continue the hostilities.
Waiting to see whether the Bryant shooting reaction picks up any steam... because it would be shameful to flip everything on its head and now pretend that clearly aggressive people (even holding deadly weapons) OF ANY COLOR should be given a stern "talking to", basically rendering the police force powerless in doing their job.
As usual, we can't seem to get out of our own way.... :vd:
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
Fucking damn right. Fucking sickening.
And then peeps wanna say there should be no riots.
Martin Luther King: "The language of unheard voices is rioting."
Yeah, the Let Them Eat Cake crowd could never relate to that.
Oh wait, but if you ask them to wear a mask.....
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NoSavingByTheBell
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walrus
@
Master it’s not always a unanimous decision required it’s not always even 12 jurors. It can vary by state but 12 and unanimous is the standard. The bar was meant to be set high. I think it was James Madison who said “I’d rather see 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail” that is paraphrased and I’m not sure it was Madison, too lazy to look it up right now. One can also request just a judge hear the case and make a decision. In this case think of the jurors position. Let’s just say they consider a not guilty verdict. They live in the area and aware that shit will burn if they don’t convict. Mind you I’m not saying the dude is innocent. I wasn’t at the trial. I don’t think Maxine waters comments were helpful to the case, it is grounds for a possible appeal.
yes its a possible appeal for sure. He'll be guilty this time and next year it'll be appealed and he'll get off. A severed bloody pig's head was left at the house of a juror and shots were fired at National Guardsmen a mile from where Waters was calling for violence, a mere 20 minutes after her incitement. Words matter. She will be held accountable. Should be removed from Congress for sure. Funny thing is she's jeopardized her own position, and this case as well. The judge was very, VERY clear about the appeal potential. Maxine Waters, low IQ forever. Trump? Genius. ;)
Well apparently it is fine when Dr Martin Luther King says it, it is fine but when Maxine Waters says it then "She will be held accountable".
It is laughable that the same people insisting the Trump's words were in no way responsible for the idiots storming the Capitol are now so self righteously insisting Walters be held accountable for something that did not even happen.
Nobody is comparing her to Martin Luther King but her words come from the same place, and that sense of frustration at the real injustice faced is nothing like the empty belly aching of spoilt White boys when Daddy Trump sold them all out.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
Auntie Maxine goes way too far at times. She is well past he use date.
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ykdadamaja
Auntie Maxine goes way too far at times. She is well past he use date.
Yep.
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ykdadamaja
Auntie Maxine goes way too far at times. She is well past he use date.
When you gotta get called out... you gotta get called out.
Simple as.
The day we start with the double standards we're f*cked.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
No Maxine should get a pass. Trump called for a peaceful March but he got impeached over it. Obviously “peaceful” was a dog whistle to the white racist to attack. Maxines “confrontational” was a dog whistle for whatever supremacist to be peaceful. She already said she would take trump out, no one batted an eye. You guys gotta listen to the true intention not the words. Leave Maxine alone she is head of one of the most powerful committees and Nancy already said she isn’t going to do anything just let it go. You people don’t know how it works here in the US you got a lot to learn.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
Fucking damn right. Fucking sickening.
And then peeps wanna say there should be no riots.
Martin Luther King: "The language of unheard voices is rioting."
Yeah, the Let Them Eat Cake crowd could never relate to that.
Oh wait, but if you ask them to wear a mask.....
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
walrus
@
Master it’s not always a unanimous decision required it’s not always even 12 jurors. It can vary by state but 12 and unanimous is the standard. The bar was meant to be set high. I think it was James Madison who said “I’d rather see 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail” that is paraphrased and I’m not sure it was Madison, too lazy to look it up right now. One can also request just a judge hear the case and make a decision. In this case think of the jurors position. Let’s just say they consider a not guilty verdict. They live in the area and aware that shit will burn if they don’t convict. Mind you I’m not saying the dude is innocent. I wasn’t at the trial. I don’t think Maxine waters comments were helpful to the case, it is grounds for a possible appeal.
yes its a possible appeal for sure. He'll be guilty this time and next year it'll be appealed and he'll get off. A severed bloody pig's head was left at the house of a juror and shots were fired at National Guardsmen a mile from where Waters was calling for violence, a mere 20 minutes after her incitement. Words matter. She will be held accountable. Should be removed from Congress for sure. Funny thing is she's jeopardized her own position, and this case as well. The judge was very, VERY clear about the appeal potential. Maxine Waters, low IQ forever. Trump? Genius. ;)
Well apparently it is fine when Dr Martin Luther King says it, it is fine but when Maxine Waters says it then
"She will be held accountable".
It is laughable that the same people insisting the Trump's words were in no way responsible for the idiots storming the Capitol are now so self righteously insisting Walters be held accountable for something that did not even happen.
Nobody is comparing her to Martin Luther King but her words come from the same place, and that sense of frustration at the real injustice faced is nothing like the empty belly aching of spoilt White boys when Daddy Trump sold them all out.
All of the civil rights tactics were confrontational. It was a stupid choice of words though, easy to twist it into making it look like she's wanting to start violence.
I'm fine with kicking her out of congress though provided we can kick out all the Republicans who used far worse rhetoric. I'll settle with going back to the November election. There would be over a dozen GOP senators losing their office starting with Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee and a bunch of others. Well over a dozen probably. Got to be over a hundred congresscritters who either have worse rhetoric or signed up to a bunch of statements that contained far worse rhetoric. Only a handful of them even criticised the fucking Duck Dynasty insurrection attempt.
Not to mention the disgraced former president.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
walrus
No Maxine should get a pass. Trump called for a peaceful March but he got impeached over it. Obviously “peaceful” was a dog whistle to the white racist to attack. Maxines “confrontational” was a dog whistle for whatever supremacist to be peaceful. She already said she would take trump out, no one batted an eye. You guys gotta listen to the true intention not the words. Leave Maxine alone she is head of one of the most powerful committees and Nancy already said she isn’t going to do anything just let it go. You people don’t know how it works here in the US you got a lot to learn.
Trump mentioned fight, fighting and other forms of violent rhetoric in direct connection with Jamuary the sixth over two hundred and fifty times. He used the word "peaceful" exactly once, on the day of the attempted coup in the middle of a speech mentioning violent rhetoric dozens of times. The speeches immediately preceeding his were filled with violent rhetoric too:
Watch Giuliani Demand ‘Trial by Combat’ to Settle the Election
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...-election.html
And then the mob attacked congress :
The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.
“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries."
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“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...297_story.html
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
walrus
No Maxine should get a pass. Trump called for a peaceful March but he got impeached over it. Obviously “peaceful” was a dog whistle to the white racist to attack. Maxines “confrontational” was a dog whistle for whatever supremacist to be peaceful. She already said she would take trump out, no one batted an eye. You guys gotta listen to the true intention not the words. Leave Maxine alone she is head of one of the most powerful committees and Nancy already said she isn’t going to do anything just let it go. You people don’t know how it works here in the US you got a lot to learn.
Trump mentioned fight, fighting and other forms of violent rhetoric in direct connection with Jamuary the sixth over two hundred and fifty times. He used the word "peaceful" exactly once, on the day of the attempted coup in the middle of a speech mentioning violent rhetoric dozens of times. The speeches immediately preceeding his were filled with violent rhetoric too:
Watch Giuliani Demand ‘Trial by Combat’ to Settle the Election
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...-election.html
And then the mob attacked congress :
The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.
“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries."
[...]
“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...297_story.html
Trump has always known his audience.
Attack dog trainers spend months getting them ready... then only have to give an imperceptible signal... and the dog does the rest.
Trump spent months stoking the fires with his bogus election fraud claims.
He really didn't have to say much else to get the mob to attack the Capitol.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
walrus
No Maxine should get a pass. Trump called for a peaceful March but he got impeached over it. Obviously “peaceful” was a dog whistle to the white racist to attack. Maxines “confrontational” was a dog whistle for whatever supremacist to be peaceful. She already said she would take trump out, no one batted an eye. You guys gotta listen to the true intention not the words. Leave Maxine alone she is head of one of the most powerful committees and Nancy already said she isn’t going to do anything just let it go. You people don’t know how it works here in the US you got a lot to learn.
Trump mentioned fight, fighting and other forms of violent rhetoric in direct connection with Jamuary the sixth over two hundred and fifty times. He used the word "peaceful" exactly once, on the day of the attempted coup in the middle of a speech mentioning violent rhetoric dozens of times. The speeches immediately preceeding his were filled with violent rhetoric too:
Watch Giuliani Demand ‘Trial by Combat’ to Settle the Election
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...-election.html
And then the mob attacked congress :
The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.
“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries."
[...]
“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...297_story.html
The main thing here is Maxine isn’t bothered. I think we all agree Maxine did nothing wrong. #maxinespeaksformetoo it’s kinda hard explaining the media’s presentation and selecting outrage to people who don’t live in the US everyday of their lives and have to see the divisiveness stirred up by politicians and media but that’s not the case with Maxine. She did nothing wrong and should face no penalties (as if) we should just lock this thread #savemaxine she did nothing wrong
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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ykdadamaja
Auntie Maxine goes way too far at times. She is well past he use date.
expiration: decade ago.
minimum.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
walrus
No Maxine should get a pass. Trump called for a peaceful March but he got impeached over it. Obviously “peaceful” was a dog whistle to the white racist to attack. Maxines “confrontational” was a dog whistle for whatever supremacist to be peaceful. She already said she would take trump out, no one batted an eye. You guys gotta listen to the true intention not the words. Leave Maxine alone she is head of one of the most powerful committees and Nancy already said she isn’t going to do anything just let it go. You people don’t know how it works here in the US you got a lot to learn.
Trump mentioned fight, fighting and other forms of violent rhetoric in direct connection with Jamuary the sixth over two hundred and fifty times. He used the word "peaceful" exactly once, on the day of the attempted coup in the middle of a speech mentioning violent rhetoric dozens of times. The speeches immediately preceeding his were filled with violent rhetoric too:
Watch Giuliani Demand ‘Trial by Combat’ to Settle the Election
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...-election.html
And then the mob attacked congress :
The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.
“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries."
[...]
“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...297_story.html
The main thing here is Maxine isn’t bothered. I think we all agree Maxine did nothing wrong. #maxinespeaksformetoo it’s kinda hard explaining the media’s presentation and selecting outrage to people who don’t live in the US everyday of their lives and have to see the divisiveness stirred up by politicians and media but that’s not the case with Maxine. She did nothing wrong and should face no penalties (as if) we should just lock this thread #savemaxine she did nothing wrong
I already said she could be booted out of office tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. I think any public official who uses rhetoric that could incite violence in any kind of controversial situation should be thrown out og office by their peers. I'm fine with Maxine getting the boot. Are you fine with all the GOP senators and congresspeople who said far worse getting the boot as well?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01...9977097492.jpg
This fucker would have to go along with Ted Cruz and a bunch of others. That's just senators. Would you agree? Anybody on the Democratic side you think should go along with Maxine?
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Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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TitoFan
Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
Right now he's panicking so much about Biden being about to take his hamburgers away that he can't think straight. He'll get back to us eventually.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
Right now he's panicking so much about Biden being about to take his hamburgers away that he can't think straight. He'll get back to us eventually.
Sometimes I tend to skim through headlines, and I had seen something about Biden and hamburgers.
Skipped right on through, thinking hell..... even the most fanatical Biden haters wouldn't push something as monumentally stupid as that.
Then....
https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-corr...194132041.html "Fox News Corrects False Claim That Biden Is Coming for Your Burgers"
Oh shit... I stand corrected. :D
https://img.17qq.com/images/qrhucurcucx.jpeg
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
Right now he's panicking so much about Biden being about to take his hamburgers away that he can't think straight. He'll get back to us eventually.
Sometimes I tend to skim through headlines, and I had seen something about Biden and hamburgers.
Skipped right on through, thinking hell.....
even the most fanatical Biden haters wouldn't push something as monumentally stupid as that.
Then....
https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-corr...194132041.html "Fox News Corrects False Claim That Biden Is Coming for Your Burgers"
Oh shit... I stand corrected. :D
https://img.17qq.com/images/qrhucurcucx.jpeg
Definition of fake news.
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
Right now he's panicking so much about Biden being about to take his hamburgers away that he can't think straight. He'll get back to us eventually.
Sometimes I tend to skim through headlines, and I had seen something about Biden and hamburgers.
Skipped right on through, thinking hell.....
even the most fanatical Biden haters wouldn't push something as monumentally stupid as that.
Then....
https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-corr...194132041.html "Fox News Corrects False Claim That Biden Is Coming for Your Burgers"
Oh shit... I stand corrected. :D
https://img.17qq.com/images/qrhucurcucx.jpeg
Definition of fake news.
What Fox News actually said?
Or the fact that headlines claim they said it?
Just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSqDEDI_nGo
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Back on point, though..... it seems BLM is doubling down on the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting, and insisting on adding her name to the list of "legitimate victims" of excessive, lethal police force.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-liv...144855628.html "Black Lives Matter Claims Police ‘Wasted No Time in Senselessly Taking’ Ma’Khia Bryant’s Life"
Here's another take on the matter (which totally mirror my own opinion)...
https://www.newsweek.com/no-makhia-b...pinion-1585809 "No, Ma'Khia Bryant is Not the Next George Floyd | Opinion"
A word of advice to anyone seeking to advance the cause of disproportionate police brutality on blacks: Drop the Ma'Khia Bryant case as quickly as you can.
Whenever I see pictures of "sweet, little 16-year old Ma'Khia" and "oh... how she'll never get to share her joyful personality with the world".... and I see BLM leading the way... I cringe, because it undermines what basically is a worthy cause.
Here's what another moron had to say on Twitter, according to another article...
“A Black girl is dead because the cops brought a gun to a damn knife fight. If you don’t know how to de-escalate teen girls who are fighting, you should not be a police officer,” Dr. Brittney Cooper, an author and Rutgers University professor, wrote on Twitter. “This is why our movements keep asking us to reimagine public safety and to defund the police. Because the cops act like the only tool they have is a goddamn gun. And that’s a failure of both competence and imagination.”
No... you stupid woman. A black girl is dead because whoever was in charge at that foster home where she lived failed miserably to defuse the situation before it got out of control. A black girl is dead because a trained police officer fired upon her a split second before she was going to KILL another black girl... a fact that is apparently lost on the idiots who lump "sweet, little Ma'Khia" in with the REAL innocent victims of police racism and brutality... thus undermining the whole movement. A black girl is dead because... you frigging brain-dead moron... a police officer is ALWAYS going to step out of his vehicle armed with a firearm. "Brought a gun to a damn knife fight"??!?!!? Somebody please slap this Rutgers professor silly. Had the officer tried to "de-escalate" this particular situation... another teen would be dead and then the criticism would be about the lack of action by the police.
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TitoFan
Back on point, though..... it seems BLM is doubling down on the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting, and insisting on adding her name to the list of "legitimate victims" of excessive, lethal police force.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-liv...144855628.html "Black Lives Matter Claims Police ‘Wasted No Time in Senselessly Taking’ Ma’Khia Bryant’s Life"
Here's another take on the matter (which totally mirror my own opinion)...
https://www.newsweek.com/no-makhia-b...pinion-1585809 "No, Ma'Khia Bryant is Not the Next George Floyd | Opinion"
A word of advice to anyone seeking to advance the cause of disproportionate police brutality on blacks: Drop the Ma'Khia Bryant case as quickly as you can.
Whenever I see pictures of "sweet, little 16-year old Ma'Khia" and "oh... how she'll never get to share her joyful personality with the world".... and I see BLM leading the way... I cringe, because it undermines what basically is a worthy cause.
Here's what another moron had to say on Twitter, according to another article...
“A Black girl is dead because the cops brought a gun to a damn knife fight. If you don’t know how to de-escalate teen girls who are fighting, you should not be a police officer,” Dr. Brittney Cooper, an author and Rutgers University professor, wrote on Twitter. “This is why our movements keep asking us to reimagine public safety and to defund the police. Because the cops act like the only tool they have is a goddamn gun. And that’s a failure of both competence and imagination.”
No... you stupid woman. A black girl is dead because whoever was in charge at that foster home where she lived failed miserably to defuse the situation before it got out of control. A black girl is dead because a trained police officer fired upon her a split second before she was going to KILL another black girl... a fact that is apparently lost on the idiots who lump "sweet, little Ma'Khia" in with the REAL innocent victims of police racism and brutality... thus undermining the whole movement. A black girl is dead because... you frigging brain-dead moron... a police officer is ALWAYS going to step out of his vehicle armed with a firearm. "Brought a gun to a damn knife fight"??!?!!? Somebody please slap this Rutgers professor silly. Had the officer tried to "de-escalate" this particular situation... another teen would be dead and then the criticism would be about the lack of action by the police.
They can get away with stuff like this because the only people who are going to hear about this case are people who are either pro or anti BLM and their support isn't going to move the needle any. BLM just happen to be associated with the racial justice protests of the last year or so in the minds of the public and this is what gives them their prominence. They're going to keep on having the support they have until either the public come to the conclusion that a semblance of racial justice has been achieved, don't hold your breath, or they make a bunch of decisions so unpopular that they become unpalatable and somebody else becomes the face of the movement.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Back on point, though..... it seems BLM is doubling down on the Ma'Khia Bryant shooting, and insisting on adding her name to the list of "legitimate victims" of excessive, lethal police force.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-liv...144855628.html "Black Lives Matter Claims Police ‘Wasted No Time in Senselessly Taking’ Ma’Khia Bryant’s Life"
Here's another take on the matter (which totally mirror my own opinion)...
https://www.newsweek.com/no-makhia-b...pinion-1585809 "No, Ma'Khia Bryant is Not the Next George Floyd | Opinion"
A word of advice to anyone seeking to advance the cause of disproportionate police brutality on blacks: Drop the Ma'Khia Bryant case as quickly as you can.
Whenever I see pictures of "sweet, little 16-year old Ma'Khia" and "oh... how she'll never get to share her joyful personality with the world".... and I see BLM leading the way... I cringe, because it undermines what basically is a worthy cause.
Here's what another moron had to say on Twitter, according to another article...
“A Black girl is dead because the cops brought a gun to a damn knife fight. If you don’t know how to de-escalate teen girls who are fighting, you should not be a police officer,” Dr. Brittney Cooper, an author and Rutgers University professor, wrote on Twitter. “This is why our movements keep asking us to reimagine public safety and to defund the police. Because the cops act like the only tool they have is a goddamn gun. And that’s a failure of both competence and imagination.”
No... you stupid woman. A black girl is dead because whoever was in charge at that foster home where she lived failed miserably to defuse the situation before it got out of control. A black girl is dead because a trained police officer fired upon her a split second before she was going to KILL another black girl... a fact that is apparently lost on the idiots who lump "sweet, little Ma'Khia" in with the REAL innocent victims of police racism and brutality... thus undermining the whole movement. A black girl is dead because... you frigging brain-dead moron... a police officer is ALWAYS going to step out of his vehicle armed with a firearm. "Brought a gun to a damn knife fight"??!?!!? Somebody please slap this Rutgers professor silly. Had the officer tried to "de-escalate" this particular situation... another teen would be dead and then the criticism would be about the lack of action by the police.
They can get away with stuff like this because the only people who are going to hear about this case are people who are either pro or anti BLM and their support isn't going to move the needle any. BLM just happen to be associated with the racial justice protests of the last year or so in the minds of the public and this is what gives them their prominence. They're going to keep on having the support they have until either the public come to the conclusion that a semblance of racial justice has been achieved, don't hold your breath, or they make a bunch of decisions so unpopular that they become unpalatable and somebody else becomes the face of the movement.
Pro BLM and anti BLM people don't make up the whole spectrum of public opinion, however.
Former Orlando police chief and Democrat congresswoman Val Demings (black) defended Nick Reardon, the officer who shot Ma'Khia. CNN talking head and BLM sympathizer Don Lemon (black) defended Nick Reardon. Other high profile blacks surely have followed suit. Yet BLM, faced with a crossroads case where they can choose to be credible in their cause, or veer off toward the fanatical, non-objective side...... have decided to choose the latter. To me this isn't rocket science. It's an organization that certainly started with a good and noble cause. But like most every organization of similar nature, it inevitably becomes polluted by fanatical hanger-on people, opportunists, and just by the plain old polarization which this country can't seem to escape. Forget playing the horses or investing in the stock market. Put your money on bets about how situations that could be easily resolved by good old fashioned common sense... are allowed to devolve over time with people running toward their respective polar extremes... common sense be damned.
Hell... we see that here. Where any attempt at objectivity (like censoring Maxine Waters' comments or defending Nick Reardon) is met with childish cries of "No, no... give Waters a pass! Defund the police!" Rather than engage in meaningful dialogue, people revert to amateurish reverse psychology.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
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Evenhanded, non-partisan, anti-fanatical words... with even an offer to include other Democrats on the first train out of town.
It probably won't get much of a response... because it doesn't fit the fanatical "wah-wah-wah" ( :eek: ) method of communication preferred by some on here.
Right now he's panicking so much about Biden being about to take his hamburgers away that he can't think straight. He'll get back to us eventually.
Sometimes I tend to skim through headlines, and I had seen something about Biden and hamburgers.
Skipped right on through, thinking hell.....
even the most fanatical Biden haters wouldn't push something as monumentally stupid as that.
Then....
https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-corr...194132041.html "Fox News Corrects False Claim That Biden Is Coming for Your Burgers"
Oh shit... I stand corrected. :D
https://img.17qq.com/images/qrhucurcucx.jpeg
Definition of fake news.
What Fox News actually said?
Or the fact that headlines claim they said it?
Just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSqDEDI_nGo
And they even had a panel to discuss it. Even claimed researchers (oh, so now researchers are ok?:rolleyes:) validated it. Skip the fact they aren't some Biden research team, just plaster any democrat's name to it, and they will believe it. When proven false, they will easily erase it from memory as in an
https://youtu.be/SsoZU6S8Ofc
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TBH Slim, any comment on the news regarding "So-and-so" is coming to get your hamburgers... is immediately deleted by my highly jaded and cynical brain. From that point on, doesn't matter whether they actually said it or not.... nor the he-said-she-said that invariably follows over something as meaningless as hamburgers. Sign of the times on all sides... when news media pounces on something as significant as the rate of grass grow in my backyard... and it becomes TV worthy news.
In the end... who really gives a flying one about any of that... ;D
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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.
Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.
This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.
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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.
Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.
This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.
Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.
No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.
BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."
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TitoFan
They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.
Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.
This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.
Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.
No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.
BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."
I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.
If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.
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[QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1574167][QUOTE=TitoFan;1574020][QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1574015]
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TitoFan
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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.
Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.
This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.
Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.
No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.
BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."
I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.
If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.
That... I have no issues with... and I'm glad it's not going away this time. George Floyd may have been the "straw that broke the camel's back"... but he certainly wasn't the first, and it was frustrating for people like me, watching from the sidelines, to have this never ending parade of abusive, racist police thugs have their way with their version of "justice" and the black people they abused.
Too many times a new incident would begin the predictable cycle of hand-wringing and promises when in the end nothing of substance was done. Kinda like the mass shooting problem. Until that issue produces the proverbial "straw", it'll be hand-wringing and promises galore. Although now with a Democratic President the needle might budge a bit toward the middle.
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TitoFan
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Kirkland Laing
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TitoFan
They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.
Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.
This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.
Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.
No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.
BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."
I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.
If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.
That... I have no issues with... and I'm glad it's not going away this time. George Floyd may have been the "straw that broke the camel's back"...
but he certainly wasn't the first, and it was frustrating for people like me, watching from the sidelines, to have this never ending parade of abusive, racist police thugs have their way with their version of "justice" and the black people they abused.
Too many times a new incident would begin the predictable cycle of hand-wringing and promises when in the end nothing of substance was done. Kinda like the mass shooting problem. Until
that issue produces the proverbial "straw", it'll be hand-wringing and promises galore. Although now with a Democratic President the needle might budge a bit toward the middle.
It's going to take more George Floyd type incidents before anything substantial actually changes.
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Re: The flip side to the George Floyd mess
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat...n/?id=78469886
So Derek Chauvin got sentenced to 22 1/2 years for the murder of George Floyd. It's not the 30 years the prosecution was asking for... but it's a hefty enough sentence that it should both appease Floyd's family members... and also send a much needed message to unfit cops everywhere that this type of shit will not be tolerated.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat...n/?id=78469886
So Derek Chauvin got sentenced to 22 1/2 years for the murder of George Floyd. It's not the 30 years the prosecution was asking for... but it's a hefty enough sentence that it should both appease Floyd's family members... and also send a much needed message to unfit cops everywhere that this type of shit will not be tolerated.
Not sure of the minimum but he'll maybe do 15ish from what I gather. What I take most from this is that throughout the pre and post trial, testimony etc next to no one, former or active same Department carried his banner and "case". As the song goes though 1 down 3 to go on this one though. That calling bullshat and pulling rank within the ranks needs to translate to the cops on the street in similar instances. Right there, on the spot blue wall be damned.
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https://youtu.be/lx12Rox91ww
The angry woman dropped me on one knee with laughter.
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Derek Chauvin got a slap on the wrist for a brazen murder
Let's be clear in order to get this Chauvin charged there had to be not just nationwide riots but global riots across the world.
Remember they were not going to charge him at all.
When guys like Chauvin they start getting the same sentences that blk ppl get then I'll celebrate. Black people get 20 years for weed, (For plants that grow in the ground)
Plus he's (Derek Chauvin) is only gonna do about 11 years. When does his parole come up ? Those 22 years are gonna be reduced all types of ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out in 5 years. The common law kicks in. But he went down in large part due to the fact that there wasn't enough uncle toms. There wasn't enough Candice Owens and Larry Elders out there.
His mother came out.
When have you ever seen a black person on trial for murder have his mother come out to get sympathy ?
https://youtu.be/gPFWLP9_R3k
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Let's be clear in order to get this Chauvin charged there had to be not just nationwide riots but global riots across the world.
Remember they were not going to charge him at all.
Let's be clear, this is conjecture and pure bullshit. The murder occurred on May 25th, and Chauvin was charged with 3rd degree murder on May 29th. You can sit there and say he wasn't going to be charged at all... or you can take a realistic view of things instead of running to your extreme and predictable viewpoints.
When guys like Chauvin they start getting the same sentences that blk ppl get then I'll celebrate. Black people get 20 years for weed, (For plants that grow in the ground)
Plus he's (Derek Chauvin) is only gonna do about 11 years. When does his parole come up ? Those 22 years are gonna be reduced all types of ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out in 5 years. The common law kicks in. But he went down in large part due to the fact that there wasn't enough uncle toms. There wasn't enough Candice Owens and Larry Elders out there.
Let's see. Time will tell. I'm not optimistic that he'll do the 22, which would be a total shame. He SHOULD do the 22. We'll see though. I'm not gonna defend the justice system because there have been enough cracks in the dam to where I always expect the worst. He may not even make it that far. Prisons have their own justice system. ;)
His mother came out.
Personally... I turned the TV off when that woman started talking.
When have you ever seen a black person on trial for murder have his mother come out to get sympathy ?
https://youtu.be/gPFWLP9_R3k
You were going to see something wrong no matter WHAT they did, short of capital punishment. Point is it could've been WAY worse (a lesser sentence).
Twenty-two years, if served, is no slap on the wrist for a second degree murder which is the charge that stuck and he was convicted for.
Let's hope you're wrong about time served.
