what would it take......

[Tito BHB]

right so i know alot of people on this forum are either unimpressed or jus plain dont like cetain fighters...
feel free to add a fighter you feel fits in on the topic but two spring to mind for me!!

firstly.... Valuev...
when i first saw him i was like well this could be what the heavywieght division needs big ol guy
big promoter
undefeated world champ after he 'beat' ruiz.... not seen the fight but apparently it was either controversial or crap.. i seen the beck fight( thanks to my man bilbo )
and he looked ok... but the competition wasnt exactly top notch...
plus his size may well prove to be his saving grace when he goes up against the other good heavyweight fighters and champions? will he get beaten? dunno.... maybe by vlad??

also judah...
i dont mind judah... i used to be pretty big on zab when he was the man but since the tyszu and nady incedent ive lost repect for him.... whilst most people just hate him,
plus hes so inconsistant.. if only he were to impress fans and pick his fights well he could be on top again...but lord knows where he should start
it seems he's not got too many fans these days though..

to the point..question is
what would it take and would you like to see these fighters do to either prove themselves or pick themselves up and get on top of the game again??

[luvfightgame]

That's like a wizard of oz question.

A heart
A brain
and courage.

[Tito BHB]

That's like a wizard of oz question.

A heart
A brain
and courage.

lol

[JT Rock]

I see what your saying

You cant put a Promising upstart like Valuev in the same conversation as an unfocused underachieving, ghetto thug trash loser who has peaked and pissed away any opportunity at greatness Like Judah, he can be considered a Gatekeeper at best like a Sharmba Mitchell or Demarcus Corley someone to test yourself against to guage if your ready for a shot at a bona fide championship or at least to be considered a major player in your division...

Valuev will achieve far more than Judah will and I know Judah has accompolished a decent resume..Valuev has a great opportunity to rule a division, not saying he will but it's there for his taking.....He has alot of hardwork to put in, but we find the Russian fighters are willing to push themselves and have a ton of determination..

[Tito BHB]

I see what your saying

You cant put a Promising upstart like Valuev in the same conversation as an unfocused underachieving, ghetto thug trash loser who has peaked and pissed away any opportunity at greatness Like Judah, he can be considered a Gatekeeper at best like a Sharmba Mitchell or Demarcus Corley someone to test yourself against to guage if your ready for a shot at a bona fide championship or at least to be considered a major player in your division...

Valuev will achieve far more than Judah will and I know Judah has accompolished a decent resume..Valuev has a great opportunity to rule a division, not saying he will but it's there for his taking.....He has alot of hardwork to put in, but we find the Russian fighters are willing to push themselves and have a ton of determination..

thanks rock appreciate your contribution
peace

[El Kabong]

It would take me getting a labotomy for me to like the following: Malinaggi, Valuev, Toney, Tarver, Margarito, Abraham, Ruiz, Kirk Johnson, and Contender stars: Mora, Manfredo, ELDER (that's one UGLY mother fucker), and all the other pussy trash talkers who didn't accomplish jack shit!

[Tito BHB]

It would take me getting a labotomy for me to like the following: Malinaggi, Valuev, Toney, Tarver, Margarito, Abraham, Ruiz, Kirk Johnson, and Contender stars: Mora, Manfredo, ELDER (that's one UGLY mother f*****), and all the other pussy trash talkers who didn't accomplish jack S***!

lol (sarcasm) no dont hold back lyle speak you mind!! :P

lol i like malingaggi, toney,manfredo jr and hell yeh ebo is ugly as sin but hes a good guy and a pretty good fighter.....
lol prefer michael stewart tho!!lol love when he says " im here to rumble mannn" in that awesome accent of his!! lol

ner i think both these fighters have a future.... valuev's looks brighter then zabs right now... but at this stage in zabs career he needs to make some good choices of who and how to fight and maybe he'll earn some respect back...
and for valuev...if he picks the right fights and steps up and impresses he could be huge...
not litterally as he already is..lol
peace

[El Kabong]

Valuev has a bright future because he's fighting chumps! MONTE FUCKING BARRETT, I have less ring rust than Monte Barrett!!!!

Zab Judah is an IDIOT! How many times must you get suspended to learn you are not the "top dog", you fucked up and you need to fight HARD because you're getting old and hey how about this PEOPLE PAY TO WATCH YOUR LAZY ASS FIGHT, SO THROW SOME GODDAMNED PUNCHES!

[cockey cockney]

It would take Valuev to get knocked the fuck out or to loose a decision which he always gets gifted. Then i mite consider liking the bloke. But Valuev just has to fight everyone in the division and win in order to be anything worth mentioning atm the guy is a joke IMO. Zab Judah just needs to get that determination he had in the spinks fight back.

[Tito BHB]

Valuev has a bright future because he's fighting chumps! MONTE F****** BARRETT, I have less ring rust than Monte Barrett!!!!

Zab Judah is an IDIOT! How many times must you get suspended to learn you are not the "top dog", you fucked up and you need to fight HARD because you're getting old and hey how about this PEOPLE PAY TO WATCH YOUR LAZY a** FIGHT, SO THROW SOME GODDAMNED PUNCHES!

lyle......

anbody ever told you that you need counciling?
you need to chill and explain your opinions instead of coming out and dictating your views
lol and ye thats why i said valuev needs to start picking up and getting some big fights!!
hes yet to impress but he hasnt gone as far as to complete p*ss off and disapoint everyone, he still has potential... dunno what he'll do with it
peace

[Tito BHB]

It would take Valuev to get knocked the F*** out or to loose a decision which he always gets gifted. Then i mite consider liking the bloke. But Valuev just has to fight everyone in the division and win in order to be anything worth mentioning atm the guy is a joke IMO. Zab Judah just needs to get that determination he had in the spinks fight back.

wow i didnt expect that

lol the only person not to diss judah .... damn :P

think the whole joke thing is a bit harsh... doesnt need to fight anyone either, but theres no doubt he needs to fight another chapion or someone worth paying to see him fight with!
plus im still waiting for the insanse match where he is out of his league and gets knocked out cos i cant wait to see him fall.... there will be an earth quake....
all the best to the guy but i'll be watching to see all that wieght drop strait through the ring wrestling style if it happens...lol

[El Kabong]

lyle......

anbody ever told you that you need counciling?
you need to chill and explain your opinions instead of coming out and dictating your views
lol and ye thats why i said valuev needs to start picking up and getting some big fights!!
hes yet to impress but he hasnt gone as far as to complete p*ss off and disapoint everyone, he still has potential... dunno what he'll do with it
peace

Opinions? Naaaaah buddy it's a FACT! Valuev, Judah...they suck

[Wacko3205]

lyle......

anbody ever told you that you need counciling?
you need to chill and explain your opinions instead of coming out and dictating your views
lol and ye thats why i said valuev needs to start picking up and getting some big fights!!
hes yet to impress but he hasnt gone as far as to complete p*ss off and disapoint everyone, he still has potential... dunno what he'll do with it
peace

Opinions? Naaaaah buddy it's a FACT! Valuev, Judah...they suck

Sure Lyle...after Valuev destroys Wlad...I don't wanna hear ya back peddle your way outta this one.















































































































**The above statement was a ludicrous joke intended to bring out the neck of redness in Lyle.

This is only a test.

[p4pking]

Valuev: needs to fight in America, for one... And against James Toney, Sam Peter, Brock, Wlad, Briggs, McCline or Lyakovich.. It's pretty simple as far as Im concerned...

Judah: Still has a great chance to get back on track, any number of big fights at welter are winnable for him... He could fight Quintana, Margarito, Paul Williams, Shane Mosley, or Miguel Cotto(0 chance Arum would let that happen though)... And it's more a matter of he NEEDS to fight one of these guys, to prove he's back and make a statement. Rematches with Baldomir or PBF are also wide open, all he needs is a big win and he would make the most sense to fight either of those 2.