Set the record striaht on Toney & Peter

[drestyles2029]

First fight between Peter Vs. Toney yeah it was close MAYBE Toney won....but the 2nd fight Peter out boxed Toney & had him hurt a few times just like the first fight. Im so tired of people talking about Peter hitting in the back of peoples heads. Toney ducking with his head down while Peter throws punches....Klitschko running away from Peter so Wlad gets hit in the back of the head. STOP!!!!! making excuses. Samuel got alot better from the first fight with Toney give Peter props & Toney crying after the fight come on PEOPLE!! I lost all respect for Toney after that fight.

[ethanpiazza]

yes, yes and no.

yes, peter has improved alot

yes peter dominated toney

but NO those shots in the back of the head shouldnt be ignored, especially the oens with wlad. wlad ebing off-balance dosent give peter the right to hit him in the back of the head. plus peter did it multiple times during a clicnh with wlad when the two were clicning each other.


peter is a good fighter with alor of power and improving skills and he will probably KO maskeav. but i cant wait till he gets a ref that takes points for rabbit punches!!

[Gandalf]

I dont actually think Toney was dominated, he got off to a poor start and then lost a lot of close rounds primarily because Peter was able to flurry towards the end of a number rounds....

Toney lost, but wasnt dominated...

[The Shadow]

I dont actually think Toney was dominated, he got off to a poor start and then lost a lot of close rounds primarily because Peter was able to flurry towards the end of a number rounds....

Toney lost, but wasnt dominated...

Exactly!!! You are right on the money here!! I just watched the full fight and anyone that thought Peter dominated is a fool!!!!

[Wacko3205]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint shit as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

[landmine950]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

DUDE.. watch the slow motion replay here of the clubs to the 'ol brainstem.
They are intentional. Mind you Toney bends over and off to the right so....
The referee warns him.then warns him again as the fight progresses. Those are CLUBS.[youtube=425,350]s5qmrJMTj2A[/youtube]

[Wacko3205]

DUDE.. watch the slow motion replay here of the clubs to the 'ol brainstem.
They are intentional. Mind you Toney bends over and off to the right so....
The referee warns him.then warns him again as the fight progresses. Those are CLUBS.[youtube=425,350]s5qmrJMTj2A[/youtube]

Got the fights on tape & watched both several times...as you said : "Mind you Toney bends over and off to the right so..."

He catches a lot of flack for something that is not always his fault...which is what I said above...here it is again...hope this helps.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Like I said...I'm not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are all intentional shots.

[The Shadow]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

I love you, bro, but shite...I don't know what you are talking about. Peter is a bum with a big punch. If that's all he has, he should pack it in because he's going to get another
beat down against Klitschko. In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

[landmine950]

lol
The first time you said...

Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

then you said....


Like I said...I'm not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are all intentional shots.

No maybe not ALL....lol..


And hey..I'm not even saying that I blame him for doing it.
Sh1t lay your fat 'ol melon over in front of me and I'd wack the back of it too!!
He did it. He got away with it. He won the fight.

[Wacko3205]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

I love you, bro, but shite...I don't know what you are talking about. Peter is a bum with a big punch. If that's all he has, he should pack it in because he's going to get another
beat down against Klitschko. In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

No problem. I know that your'e a Toney fan...& that loss Toney just endured was a hard one to swallow.

He got outboxed by Klitschko in the latter half of the fight...that wasn't a beat down. Klitschko is the better fighter & is an actual heavyweight that can box quite well...not just a blown up middleweight trying to follow in the footsteps of Jones.

In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

Which is basically what I said above...for us to be so close to the same opinion here...it's odd for me not to know what I'm talking about in this instance...unless it's the rabbit punching.

[Wacko3205]

lol
The first time you said...

Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

then you said....


Like I said...I'm not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are all intentional shots.

No maybe not ALL....lol..


And hey..I'm not even saying that I blame him for doing it.
Sh1t lay your fat 'ol melon over in front of me and I'd wack the back of it too!!
He did it. He got away with it. He won the fight.

...and in the end it's pretty much what I said.

I'm just trying to stress the fact that everything aint all his fault. You can't win a fight throwing all rabbit punches...& in the end...he won the fight.

So...that in itself could mean that this is statement might need a little modifying.

DUDE.. watch the slow motion replay here of the clubs to the 'ol brainstem.
They are intentional.

"Some of them are intentional." would work.

[The Shadow]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

I love you, bro, but shite...I don't know what you are talking about. Peter is a bum with a big punch. If that's all he has, he should pack it in because he's going to get another
beat down against Klitschko. In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

No problem. I know that your'e a Toney fan...& that loss Toney just endured was a hard one to swallow.

He got outboxed by Klitschko in the latter half of the fight...that wasn't a beat down. Klitschko is the better fighter & is an actual heavyweight that can box quite well...not just a blown up middleweight trying to follow in the footsteps of Jones.

In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

Which is basically what I said above...for us to be so close to the same opinion here...it's odd for me not to know what I'm talking about in this instance...unless it's the rabbit punching.

Definitely the rabbit punching!!! But I still think that Peter is garbage. :P

[landmine950]

I really think that james looked worse, than in the first fight and really blew any pretext he had of representing himself as a top heavyweight,never mind a legit contender.

RE the Peter/ Toney fight:

The Toney/Peter II was the best and worst thing that could have happened to each fighter.

Peter improved Tremendously! Showed a great desire and work ethic in his training, even missing going home for Christmas to train. Erased the controversy of the first fight.
Made EVERYONE fall in love with him by his gracious and humble comments post fight. Showed that he is the best guy to take on the rest of the Heavyweight divison. Came in leaner,increased his punch output,showcased his skills and won the hearts of millions.

Point by point. James Toney did exactly the opposite!

Peter really improved. Erased the dispute about the first fight.
Came in better shape. Toney didn't do himself any favors here at all and the post fight yapping made it worse.

To quote Al bernstein "Peter is on the cusp of becomeing a really complete fighter which many people felt previously was not possible"
and
"Peter showed the world that he is better for the HW division than James Toney"
I fully agree.

[The Shadow]

Al Bernstein is a fool

[Wacko3205]

Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.

I love you, bro, but shite...I don't know what you are talking about. Peter is a bum with a big punch. If that's all he has, he should pack it in because he's going to get another
beat down against Klitschko. In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

No problem. I know that your'e a Toney fan...& that loss Toney just endured was a hard one to swallow.

He got outboxed by Klitschko in the latter half of the fight...that wasn't a beat down. Klitschko is the better fighter & is an actual heavyweight that can box quite well...not just a blown up middleweight trying to follow in the footsteps of Jones.

In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P

Which is basically what I said above...for us to be so close to the same opinion here...it's odd for me not to know what I'm talking about in this instance...unless it's the rabbit punching.

Definitely the rabbit punching!!! But I still think that Peter is garbage. :P

Alrighty then. We'll agree that everyone but me thinks that Peter's punches to the back of the head are not all intentional nor all his fault.

Anywho...we agree that Sam-U-El is going to bring some excitement back to the division. We agree he is improving, right? We agree that he beat Toney, right?

What does that say about James Toney then?
Also...who's gonna beat him...outside of Wlad...because that's already happened.

Not trying to be catty...just wanting to discuss...because we aint been involved in one of these ole' debates in a loooooooooooong time.