zab super judah

[babyboNe]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

[killersheep]

I won't SC you man, Zab definately has speed and skills, I don't think anyone here will deny that.
It's just he loses his nerve and it all goes out the window, the way to beat Judah is to frustrate him, and then he will beat himself.

I for one actually think he should go down to 140, I would like to get him in the mix down the with Castillo and Hatton, and MAYBE Corrales

that would make for an interesting division

Malignaggi, Castillo, Hatton, Judah, Corrales, DHOP, Vivian Harris.

Sounds like lots of interesting fights to be made there.

[tommygunn]

zabs liable to ko'd if he keeps campaigning at 147, theres to much big hiters up there. zab should move back down, i know witter would love to fight him again.

[Bx730NY]

You geta cc from me. Zab is underappreciated for his attitude but Floyd gets all the love. Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden. When he fought Gatti, in the first round the ref said stop punching and he sucker punched him. The crazy thing is that instead of taking a point from Floyd, he started counting for Gatti and that's why Gatti was incensed and pushed the ref. Nobody mentions Floyds lack of class anymore.

[SweetPea]

Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden.

I guess I missed the times when Floyd threw a stool, threw his fist in the face of a ref, intentionally punched an opponent below the belt, intentionally punched an opponent in the brain stem, and threw punches at his opponent's trainer during a melee.

Because Zab has done all those things.

Floyd is cocky and arrogant. Judah is often out of control. There's a big difference. And this is coming from someone who is a Judah fan.

[El Gamo]

Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden.

I guess I missed the times when Floyd threw a stool, threw his fist in the face of a ref, intentionally punched an opponent below the belt, intentionally punched an opponent in the brain stem, and threw punches at his opponent's trainer during a melee.

Because Zab has done all those things.

Floyd is cocky and arrogant. Judah is often out of control. There's a big difference. And this is coming from someone who is a Judah fan.

totally agree CC. Floyd is arrogant,cocky,for a reason and know's how to control most of the time apart from crying like a pussy at his last fight and throwing a bitch tantrum when questioned by my man Merchant. Judah is just an idiot.

And Judah is A PERFECT example of a fighter who can have alllllllllllllll the skills in the world and yet not make it to the top,because of a lack of heart,determination,desire. People say so and so a fighter lacks technique,lacks speed etc well there are other variables which make great fighters. Being physically gifted does not alway equate to a the makings of a great fighter and Zab is the prefect example of that.

I think he should move back down again too.

[Bx730NY]

Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden.

I guess I missed the times when Floyd threw a stool, threw his fist in the face of a ref, intentionally punched an opponent below the belt, intentionally punched an opponent in the brain stem, and threw punches at his opponent's trainer during a melee.

Because Zab has done all those things.

Floyd is cocky and arrogant. Judah is often out of control. There's a big difference. And this is coming from someone who is a Judah fan.

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me. Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that. Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not. The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

[Violent Demise]

You geta cc from me. Zab is underappreciated for his attitude but Floyd gets all the love. Floyd is the same way and now they're trying to make him seem like he's a classy guy or something. Everyone ignores the things he does all of a sudden. When he fought Gatti, in the first round the ref said stop punching and he sucker punched him. The crazy thing is that instead of taking a point from Floyd, he started counting for Gatti and that's why Gatti was incensed and pushed the ref. Nobody mentions Floyds lack of class anymore.

Both Floyd and Zab come out as arrogant and cocky. It's obvious by the things they say and the way they run there mouths. Thing is only Floyd has earned the right to be arrogant and cocky. Which is why certain things are over looked and maybe accepted. Zab hasn't earned shit. He hasn't accomplished the things Mayweather has and seems to be wasting his outstanding talent. So the arrogant attitude rubs people the wrong way and makes him look like punk.

[TitoFan]

IMO, there's a fine line between being arrogant and cocky, and just being a punk jerk. Again IMO, Floyd's the former. In fact, he's actually trying to clean up his image a little bit. But let's face it, you HAVE to have a certain amount of cockiness to make it as an elite boxer.

Judah, on the other hand, has crossed that fine line, IMO. Thrusting your fist into a ref's throat (one that had just finished saving his a$$ from a more severe beating), and just plain ol' carrying on like Zab..... to me that goes beyond "arrogant and cocky."

[SweetPea]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

[Taeth]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

He's not any faster than Mayweather, and he isn't as well schooled, and thats why he won't be p4p #1... I could see him being up there in the top 2-3, but if he fought in the same era as RJJ or PBF he wouldn't be top.

[frozensolid_702]

zab was undefeated until the last few seconds of the second round with koysta, when koysta caught him with that right there was about 5 seconds left in the second round.

we all seen it,its legendary...how zab quickly got up but was clearly wobble then fell back down...most loved it because how zabs attitude is...but not being bias and looking past the zab as a person and looking at zab the boxer.

zab to be honest is an amazing fighter, he has blazing speed and powerful southpaw left. he was undefeated until koysta, if the ref had count instead of ending the fight just like that, the bell could of saved zab because there was less then five seconds left or zab was gonna make the count. because for the second time he got up zab look ok.

I think zabs mistake was getting up to quick not allowing his legs to recover.if he had rest for a few seconds and got up before 9 he would of been safe. and got a break.

imo oppinion if zab was less of a jerk and focus in on boxing more and maintain a floyd or pac type of stamina, zab could be top p4p...I know imma get a bunch of sad clicks for saying this...imo zab is more amazing then anyone in boxing right now his the real fastest and can punch harder. but his chin is suspect and his stamina is soft. he should of been more dedicated if he was he`d be in pbfs shoes right now.

He's not any faster than Mayweather, and he isn't as well schooled, and thats why he won't be p4p #1... I could see him being up there in the top 2-3, but if he fought in the same era as RJJ or PBF he wouldn't be top.

what if he were trained by pernell whitaker??

im just curious, cause thats a match made in heaven for both guys

[TitoFan]

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Damn well said! CC for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Double damn well said! Sorry, can't CC you for another 24 hours. But you're right on both counts. And you're not exonerating Roger Mayweather, but you're rightly pointing out that Zab deserved his punishment. And it was CLEAR AS DAY that Zab deliberately aimed for Floyd's cup before delivering the low blow. (And followed it up with a well-placed punch behind the head). He's a no good thug.

[Bx730NY]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

[Violent Demise]

You don't sound like a Zab fan to me.

Why do I not sound like a Zab fan? You can be a fan of someone and still be able to admit their shortcomings. Being a fan doesn't = making excuses for them everytime they do something wrong.

Zab is the only person I've ever seen get suspended for throwing a low blow. Everyone is trying to make the whole melee his fault but he's not the first to throw alow blow and he certainly won't be the last. Fact is, if Roger didn't get in the ring, there would not have been a melee. Floyd got special treatment and Zab paid the price for that.

Zab did not get suspended for throwing a low blow. He got suspended for throwing punches during the melee. During the actual fight, Zab actually got off easy. He didn't even get a point deducted, even though it was an obvious foul.
Roger Mayweather certainly deserves blame for coming into the ring, that's why he got suspended too.
Zab was getting outclassed, and since he couldn't beat Floyd within the rules, he punched him below the belt and behind the head. Are you trying to say that Zab hit him low by accident?

Throwing a punch after the ref says don't punch is not dirty and dangerous enough for you? Guess not.

The ref in the Mayweather-Gatti fight was horrible. He called to break, then he backed away, like he decided not to do anything. Floyd was within the rules when he threw that punch. It was a weird situation caused by an incompetent referee. Are you trying to say that throwing a punch to a fighter's chin within the rules is the same as intentionally hitting your opponent below the belt and then in the brain stem?

The only difference between Zab and Floyd is that Floyd had better people around him. Just so people know, I was born in Brownsville Brooklyn and lived there several years and not to make excuses for anyone but if you haven't been there don't try to act like you understand what it's like to try to live a normal life. All you have to do is look at Tyson, Bowe, Zab and Briggs. It's a war zone and the only thing that counts is survival. Trust me, it's not a normal life and that's why I made it my business to make sure I moved out before having kids.

Floyd doesn't have good people around. Just look at his family. Do I even need to describe his father and uncle?
If it all has to do with growing up in Brownsville, then how come Bowe and Shannon Briggs have never gotten in trouble for using dirty tactics in the ring? If it's all about the neighborhood, then how come all the fighters from there don't get in trouble for altercations in the ring like Zab has?
Zab is hardly the only fighter from a crime-ridden neighborhood. Erik Morales is from a section of Tijuana that has a higher crime and murder rate than Brownsville. Kassim Ouma was kidnapped by a rebel army and forced to murder other children. Neither of those fighters has ever been suspended like Zab has.

Like I said, if you haven't been there, don't try to act like you know.

Come on, man. Growing up there ain't got shit to do with it. Genaro Hernandez and Paul Gonzalez grew up in South Central Los Angeles (just like Violent D). A place that makes Brownsville look like Disneyland. So I ain't buying your hood up-upbringing excuse either