Top Fighters give their verdict on Oscar v Floyd outcome

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Interesting.
http://www.skysports.com/skysports/a...263243,00.html

[ono]

Blooming heck i actually disagree with Ricky Hatton and agree with Junior Witter. Now that is surprising.

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

Frank Maloney what a complete shithead !
Lloyd Honeyghan ....DeLaHoya just a Workhorse ?
Junior Witter a Top fighter?

Mayweather wins this fight with faster feet !!

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He's gonna get KO'd by Oscar
He's a fool for agreeing to the 'Punchers Gloves',smaller ring plus he's giving away some serious power at the weight

[SweetPea]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

[JT Rock]

Floyd has never been in deathly trouble or like Bambi on ice... He has always had the reflexes to protect his chin from a devastating shot, not to mention he has never been down legitamately(only took a knee when he hurt his hand) so I doubt that will change.... and for Nigel Benn to even advocate that DLH is anywere near Floyd in terms of speed is just ridiculous and goes to show how punchy that chap is

[MannyP]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

Time will tell, but I see this as absolutely wrong. Counter-puncher? Needs someone coming forward? And look at who's mentioned, all big guys and punchers. His style has changed a lot since he's been fighting bigger guys. Think back to when he was pounding his way through the lightweights because I think that's the De La Hoya we're all going to be seeing on Saturday. I don't think he'll start this way, he'll want to size Mayweather up first for a couple rounds, but he's going to be very aggressive and physical, something he hasn't been able to do in a long time.

Everytime somebody wants to mention how weak Oscar is who do they mention, Sturm? Hopkins? Big guys. Middleweights with size and power. Why would anyone think Mayweather would match up the same way and take advantage off the same things?

No, Oscar's going to be right back in his element, beating up a smaller, weaker guy.

One more thing, reach and range is very important to Floyd, and we'll see how he handles it in this case. He will not be able to sit just out of Oscar's range and play his little in and out game like he does with all those smaller guys he's used to facing. Oscar will be able to reach out and get him in a way that all those previous short-armed opponents couldn't.

Notice his record, even after moving up in weight, he has virtually never fought anyone with a reach advantage before and I don't think it was accidental. There are certainly welters out there who could have put this to the test, but he found the smallest, weakest ones available. Not one of them had a height or reach advantage on him, yet people are arguing that he's somehow now proven as a welter. No way.

[albsur2006]

What the hell is Hatton talking about? This fight has nothing to do with respect or anything that is going on outside of the ring, it's all about styles. Nobody trains harder than Floyd and when your that physically gifted already and you have that type of work ethic, the sky is the limit. People put too much stock into all of that "Floyd's under Oscar's skin, now Oscar's training harder." That shit doesn't matter because if you're not training the hardest for yourself, it doesn't matter anyway. When it's the eighth round and Oscar can't find Floyd in the ring even though Floyd's right in front of him, it won't matter what Floyd said before the fight. Oscar's bigger but I'm starting to really think that Oscar could get massacred. When you add up all the pieces, Oscar's inactivity and Oscar's stamina problems, it's starting to look really bad in my eyes.

[SweetPea]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

Time will tell, but I see this as absolutely wrong. Counter-puncher? Needs someone coming forward?

So if you think this is absolutely wrong.... then are you saying that Oscar is better at fighting smaller, faster fighters who can fight going backward, as opposed to big strong punchers who come forward and leave themselves open to counterpunches?
I assume this is what you're saying, and that's dead wrong.

verytime somebody wants to mention how weak Oscar is who do they mention, Sturm? Hopkins?Big guys. Middleweights with size and power. Why would anyone think Mayweather would match up the same way and take advantage off the same things?

I didn't mention those names. In fact, I don't penalize Oscar for either of his fights at 160, because he didn't belong in that division.
I'll give you names.... Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley. Two fast smaller fighters. An old, past his prime Whitaker gave DLH fits, and a prime fast Mosley beat Oscar in their first fight. You know why, because in both those fights Oscar came forward against smaller quicker fighters.

The two Mosley fights are the perfect example. First Mosley fight, Shane is small and fast, Oscar comes forward, Shane wins.
3 years later when they fight again, Shane has moved up in weight, focused too much on weightlifting, and has lost a lot of his combination punching and movement, and become more of a slugger who comes forward. Shane comes forward and tries to slug in the second fight, which allowed Oscar to counter.

Floyd is a horrible style matchup for Oscar.

[TheBESTP4P]

interesting CC for that bro!

[TheBESTP4P]

but id assume hatton would pick pbf to win since he wanted to fight him so bad right?

[MannyP]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

Time will tell, but I see this as absolutely wrong. Counter-puncher? Needs someone coming forward?

So if you think this is absolutely wrong.... then are you saying that Oscar is better at fighting smaller, faster fighters who can fight going backward, as opposed to big strong punchers who come forward and leave themselves open to counterpunches?
I assume this is what you're saying, and that's dead wrong.

verytime somebody wants to mention how weak Oscar is who do they mention, Sturm? Hopkins?Big guys. Middleweights with size and power. Why would anyone think Mayweather would match up the same way and take advantage off the same things?

I didn't mention those names. In fact, I don't penalize Oscar for either of his fights at 160, because he didn't belong in that division.
I'll give you names.... Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley. Two fast smaller fighters. An old, past his prime Whitaker gave DLH fits, and a prime fast Mosley beat Oscar in their first fight. You know why, because in both those fights Oscar came forward against smaller quicker fighters.

The two Mosley fights are the perfect example. First Mosley fight, Shane is small and fast, Oscar comes forward, Shane wins.
3 years later when they fight again, Shane has moved up in weight, focused too much on weightlifting, and has lost a lot of his combination punching and movement, and become more of a slugger who comes forward. Shane comes forward and tries to slug in the second fight, which allowed Oscar to counter.

Floyd is a horrible style matchup for Oscar.

No, what I'm saying is that if you're judging Oscar's potential performance in this fight based on his style and counter-punching against bigger guys, then yes, I believe it's dead wrong. As far as Sturm and Hopkins, you're right, you didn't mention them specifically. I apologize for adding them in your statement. But as far as his style against the one's you did mention, Vargas, Mayorga and Tito, the same argument holds. Bigger stronger guys who were able to threaten him with a quick ending. Nothing to do with this fight whatsoever. He was never as aggressive once he started facing those types of fighters.

You mention Whitaker and Mosely, again, it's off the mark. Whitaker could be a good basis for judging this fight, except that I think Oscar has much more power now to deal with that kind of fight and fighter. That was Oscar's first fight at 147, and as far as I'm concerned, didn't develop the kind of power he had at lightweight until much later. At 147, he was an okay puncher, but not like he was at 135. It took him time to grow into it. Now, relative to his weight and his opponent, his power is much more meaningful.

As far as Mosley, he actually had a reach advantage on Oscar and it drove him crazy. I don't think that it was Mosley's speed that was the decisive factor in those fights, it was his reach and his power. I think sometimes people over-estimate Mosley's strength, he's not a one punch knock out guy, but he did have enough strength to keep Oscar from really going after him. Floyd has neither. Not reach. Not strength. At least not enough to matter to Oscar in this one.

[Wadeb_21]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

Time will tell, but I see this as absolutely wrong. Counter-puncher? Needs someone coming forward?

So if you think this is absolutely wrong.... then are you saying that Oscar is better at fighting smaller, faster fighters who can fight going backward, as opposed to big strong punchers who come forward and leave themselves open to counterpunches?
I assume this is what you're saying, and that's dead wrong.

verytime somebody wants to mention how weak Oscar is who do they mention, Sturm? Hopkins?Big guys. Middleweights with size and power. Why would anyone think Mayweather would match up the same way and take advantage off the same things?

I didn't mention those names. In fact, I don't penalize Oscar for either of his fights at 160, because he didn't belong in that division.
I'll give you names.... Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley. Two fast smaller fighters. An old, past his prime Whitaker gave DLH fits, and a prime fast Mosley beat Oscar in their first fight. You know why, because in both those fights Oscar came forward against smaller quicker fighters.

The two Mosley fights are the perfect example. First Mosley fight, Shane is small and fast, Oscar comes forward, Shane wins.
3 years later when they fight again, Shane has moved up in weight, focused too much on weightlifting, and has lost a lot of his combination punching and movement, and become more of a slugger who comes forward. Shane comes forward and tries to slug in the second fight, which allowed Oscar to counter.

Floyd is a horrible style matchup for Oscar.

Sweatpea.. I never really thought about it that way, great observation heres a cc for that. I think with what you jsut about mosley and whitaker those are perfect examples, stylisticly floyd should win this hands down.

[zhubin]

Witter has the most accurate statement of any of them:

"De la Hoya is best against people who are coming forward, he is an excellent counter-puncher. But with the style Mayweather has got, he’s not going to rush into anything and make that mistake that de la Hoya needs."

This is what the whole fight boils down to in my opinion, and it's the reason I've been picking Floyd all along. This fight isn't about age or size, it's about fighting styles. Floyd's style is a very bad matchup for Oscar.
Oscar has always been at his best when he's in the ring with a big puncher who will try to stalk him, which forces Oscar into the role of fast counter-puncher.
It's no surprise that Oscar's best performances were against Vargas, Mayorga, the first 9 rounds against Tito....

Time will tell, but I see this as absolutely wrong. Counter-puncher? Needs someone coming forward?

So if you think this is absolutely wrong.... then are you saying that Oscar is better at fighting smaller, faster fighters who can fight going backward, as opposed to big strong punchers who come forward and leave themselves open to counterpunches?
I assume this is what you're saying, and that's dead wrong.

verytime somebody wants to mention how weak Oscar is who do they mention, Sturm? Hopkins?Big guys. Middleweights with size and power. Why would anyone think Mayweather would match up the same way and take advantage off the same things?

I didn't mention those names. In fact, I don't penalize Oscar for either of his fights at 160, because he didn't belong in that division.
I'll give you names.... Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley. Two fast smaller fighters. An old, past his prime Whitaker gave DLH fits, and a prime fast Mosley beat Oscar in their first fight. You know why, because in both those fights Oscar came forward against smaller quicker fighters.

The two Mosley fights are the perfect example. First Mosley fight, Shane is small and fast, Oscar comes forward, Shane wins.
3 years later when they fight again, Shane has moved up in weight, focused too much on weightlifting, and has lost a lot of his combination punching and movement, and become more of a slugger who comes forward. Shane comes forward and tries to slug in the second fight, which allowed Oscar to counter.

Floyd is a horrible style matchup for Oscar.

No, what I'm saying is that if you're judging Oscar's potential performance in this fight based on his style and counter-punching against bigger guys, then yes, I believe it's dead wrong. As far as Sturm and Hopkins, you're right, you didn't mention them specifically. I apologize for adding them in your statement. But as far as his style against the one's you did mention, Vargas, Mayorga and Tito, the same argument holds. Bigger stronger guys who were able to threaten him with a quick ending. Nothing to do with this fight whatsoever. He was never as aggressive once he started facing those types of fighters.

You mention Whitaker and Mosely, again, it's off the mark. Whitaker could be a good basis for judging this fight, except that I think Oscar has much more power now to deal with that kind of fight and fighter. That was Oscar's first fight at 147, and as far as I'm concerned, didn't develop the kind of power he had at lightweight until much later. At 147, he was an okay puncher, but not like he was at 135. It took him time to grow into it. Now, relative to his weight and his opponent, his power is much more meaningful.

As far as Mosley, he actually had a reach advantage on Oscar and it drove him crazy. I don't think that it was Mosley's speed that was the decisive factor in those fights, it was his reach and his power. I think sometimes people over-estimate Mosley's strength, he's not a one punch knock out guy, but he did have enough strength to keep Oscar from really going after him. Floyd has neither. Not reach. Not strength. At least not enough to matter to Oscar in this one.

Spot on!!! The only advantage Floyd has in this fight is speed. People can discount power and size all they want...but you add that along with great boxing skills and a great chin...it's going to spell trouble for a fighter who is potentially going up to high in weight. I just don't see Floyd escaping Oscar all night with just his speed...and he doesn't have the power or reach to keep Oscar in check. If Oscar comes into this fight, and it seems like he will, in great shape and looking sharp....Floyd will have ZERO room for error. Can Floyd fight perfectly against a great opponent for 12 rounds using primarily his speed? Not sure.

[jbirdy]

seems like it's pretty even in terms of who's picking who. does anyone know who any other fighters or pundits are picking? i'm guessing mosley will be picking oscar considering he's been sparing with him.