David Tua

[ramkrm1947]

I just saw the replay of Tua's fight with Fox, I have not heard anything about David for a long time, my fault because I have not been following heavyweights because the skill level is lacking.
Always liked Tua and I'm really glad to see him back, weight down and looking good, he looks to be hitting hard as ever, the rest of the heavyweight division better look out, that is if he can get any of them to fight.
Next Champ!!

[Phil]

I always liked Tua and would love to see him win a title, he needs to get a big fight soon
though! him and Peter would have the potential to be a real cracker!!

[ICB]

If Holyfield wins the title i wouldn't mind seeing Tua and Holyfield going at it.

[Scrap]

Dont think that will happen, they are good friends.But I do think Tua will win a World Title, Id put money on it even my own.

[ICB]

Dont think that will happen, they are good friends.But I do think Tua will win a World Title, Id put money on it even my own.

What title holder do you think he can take Scrap ??

[Trainer Monkey]

Tua's problem,is the same as Bates's
They both have good power,but their too short to be elite,they cant fight at range
But to be carrying enough weight to be heavies they wear themselves out fighting in
Tyson got exposed for the same thing late in his career,early on he could slip his way in,but as his speed diminished he no longer could

[ICB]

Tua's problem,is the same as Bates's
They both have good power,but their too short to be elite,they cant fight at range
But to be carrying enough weight to be heavies they wear themselves out fighting in
Tyson got exposed for the same thing late in his career,early on he could slip his way in,but as his speed diminished he no longer could

Bates problem is that he sucks plain and simple he is not comparable with a good fighter like Tua.

[Trainer Monkey]

Tua's problem,is the same as Bates's
They both have good power,but their too short to be elite,they cant fight at range
But to be carrying enough weight to be heavies they wear themselves out fighting in
Tyson got exposed for the same thing late in his career,early on he could slip his way in,but as his speed diminished he no longer could

Bates problem is that he sucks plain and simple he is not comparable with a good fighter like Tua.

Actually Jeremy is signifigantly better then Tua at going side to side
Hes carrying too much weight to maintain his pace in doing so.So eventually he gets caught
Tua is almost straight on in,so you can just fight him away,and keep him from getting that big punch he wants
Tyson was a nice combination of the two,but age,and bad trainers caught him

[ICB]

Tua's problem,is the same as Bates's
They both have good power,but their too short to be elite,they cant fight at range
But to be carrying enough weight to be heavies they wear themselves out fighting in
Tyson got exposed for the same thing late in his career,early on he could slip his way in,but as his speed diminished he no longer could

Bates problem is that he sucks plain and simple he is not comparable with a good fighter like Tua.

Actually Jeremy is signifigantly better then Tua at going side to side
Hes carrying too much weight to maintain his pace in doing so.So eventually he gets caught
Tua is almost straight on in,so you can just fight him away,and keep him from getting that big punch he wants
Tyson was a nice combination of the two,but age,and bad trainers caught him

Bates is garbage he does nothing better than Tua he is a tomato can.

[Trainer Monkey]

Tua's problem,is the same as Bates's
They both have good power,but their too short to be elite,they cant fight at range
But to be carrying enough weight to be heavies they wear themselves out fighting in
Tyson got exposed for the same thing late in his career,early on he could slip his way in,but as his speed diminished he no longer could

Bates problem is that he sucks plain and simple he is not comparable with a good fighter like Tua.

Actually Jeremy is signifigantly better then Tua at going side to side
Hes carrying too much weight to maintain his pace in doing so.So eventually he gets caught
Tua is almost straight on in,so you can just fight him away,and keep him from getting that big punch he wants
Tyson was a nice combination of the two,but age,and bad trainers caught him

Bates is garbage he does nothing better than Tua he is a tomato can.

Go back and watch his fights
Trust me on this one Ice,I know more about Bates then you could hope
He has nice side to side movement,he cant keep the pace he needs to,so as long as you keep him moving,which is his best skill,he breaks down
He's only a solid puncher,so he cant get you out fast with just one punch like Tua can,he needs to wear you down.
But against a higher level fighter he cant do that,because he's about 30 pounds too heavy
But he is signifigantly better then Tua at finding angles
He just cant show the stamina to take any advantage of that as long as he's that big
Tua is coming in one direction,where you are
When Tyson was good,he could do both of the above

[Myk_Myk]

Go back and watch his fights
Trust me on this one Ice,I know more about Bates then you could hope
He has nice side to side movement,he cant keep the pace he needs to,so as long as you keep him moving,which is his best skill,he breaks down
He's only a solid puncher,so he cant get you out fast with just one punch like Tua can,he needs to wear you down.
But against a higher level fighter he cant do that,because he's about 30 pounds too heavy
But he is signifigantly better then Tua at finding angles
He just cant show the stamina to take any advantage of that as long as he's that big
Tua is coming in one direction,where you are
When Tyson was good,he could do both of the above

Wow, when you put it that way Bates is a real monster!

I see he's been KO'd within two rounds his last 4 fights. It must be that great side to side motion that often gets him into the second round...

I think Tyson's biggest problem was a lack of heart and character. Teddy Atlas summed it up beautifully when he said he was the ultimate bully. As long as he was intimidating his opponents, he was unstoppable. When he got stood up to and met with resistance, he folded.

Bring on the sad click...

[Trainer Monkey]

Go back and watch his fights
Trust me on this one Ice,I know more about Bates then you could hope
He has nice side to side movement,he cant keep the pace he needs to,so as long as you keep him moving,which is his best skill,he breaks down
He's only a solid puncher,so he cant get you out fast with just one punch like Tua can,he needs to wear you down.
But against a higher level fighter he cant do that,because he's about 30 pounds too heavy
But he is signifigantly better then Tua at finding angles
He just cant show the stamina to take any advantage of that as long as he's that big
Tua is coming in one direction,where you are
When Tyson was good,he could do both of the above

Wow, when you put it that way Bates is a real monster!

I see he's been KO'd within two rounds his last 4 fights. It must be that great side to side motion that often gets him into the second round...

I think Tyson's biggest problem was a lack of heart and character. Teddy Atlas summed it up beautifully when he said he was the ultimate bully. As long as he was intimidating his opponents, he was unstoppable. When he got stood up to and met with resistance, he folded.

Bring on the sad click...

No,I,didnt say he was a monster
I said he carried too much weight to take advantage of his biggest asset
That and to compound matters he was grieviously out of shape for the Golata fight
Learn to read
And no Tysons biggest flaw was he stopped picking his way in so he could unleash his bombs
Again bad training,and trainers
Learn to watch whats happening in a fight
Against Golata,Bates was trying to cash a large check
Which for an insuarance salesman from WV was quite large indeed,he went through the first round trying,and just like most Don King productions,he didnt seem to have anything left in the second
Amazing how that often happens when Don gets his claws in to a name fighter

[Myk_Myk]

No,I,didnt say he was a monster

Just a little hyperbole.

I said he carried too much weight to take advantage of his biggest asset
That and to compound matters he was grieviously out of shape for the Golata fight
Learn to read
And no Tysons biggest flaw was he stopped picking his way in so he could unleash his bombs
Again bad training,and trainers
Learn to watch whats happening in a fight
Against Golata,Bates was trying to cash a large check
Which for an insuarance salesman from WV was quite large indeed,he went through the first round trying,and just like most Don King productions,he didnt seem to have anything left in the second
Amazing how that often happens when Don gets his claws in to a name fighter

Each post you make just validates Ice's point that Tua shouldn't be compared to Bates.

[ICB]

Go back and watch his fights
Trust me on this one Ice,I know more about Bates then you could hope
He has nice side to side movement,he cant keep the pace he needs to,so as long as you keep him moving,which is his best skill,he breaks down
He's only a solid puncher,so he cant get you out fast with just one punch like Tua can,he needs to wear you down.
But against a higher level fighter he cant do that,because he's about 30 pounds too heavy
But he is signifigantly better then Tua at finding angles
He just cant show the stamina to take any advantage of that as long as he's that big
Tua is coming in one direction,where you are
When Tyson was good,he could do both of the above

Wow, when you put it that way Bates is a real monster!

I see he's been KO'd within two rounds his last 4 fights. It must be that great side to side motion that often gets him into the second round...

I think Tyson's biggest problem was a lack of heart and character. Teddy Atlas summed it up beautifully when he said he was the ultimate bully. As long as he was intimidating his opponents, he was unstoppable. When he got stood up to and met with resistance, he folded.

Bring on the sad click...

No,I,didnt say he was a monster
I said he carried too much weight to take advantage of his biggest asset
That and to compound matters he was grieviously out of shape for the Golata fight
Learn to read
And no Tysons biggest flaw was he stopped picking his way in so he could unleash his bombs
Again bad training,and trainers
Learn to watch whats happening in a fight
Against Golata,Bates was trying to cash a large check
Which for an insuarance salesman from WV was quite large indeed,he went through the first round trying,and just like most Don King productions,he didnt seem to have anything left in the second
Amazing how that often happens when Don gets his claws in to a name fighter

Bates has only beaten 4 boxers with just about winning records his record is 21 wins 14 losses and has been stopped 9 times out of 14 losses why are we even debating this ?? Bates is a tomato can he does nothing better than Tua.

[Trainer Monkey]

No,I,didnt say he was a monster

Just a little hypeboli.

I said he carried too much weight to take advantage of his biggest asset
That and to compound matters he was grieviously out of shape for the Golata fight
Learn to read
And no Tysons biggest flaw was he stopped picking his way in so he could unleash his bombs
Again bad training,and trainers
Learn to watch whats happening in a fight
Against Golata,Bates was trying to cash a large check
Which for an insuarance salesman from WV was quite large indeed,he went through the first round trying,and just like most Don King productions,he didnt seem to have anything left in the second
Amazing how that often happens when Don gets his claws in to a name fighter

Each post you make just validates Ice's point that Tua shouldn't be compared to Bates.

Actually their two halves of the same fighter that was prime Tyson
Tua's got loads of power,but against the elite,he gets schooled,and outworked
Bates has good footwork,but against anyone with any stamina,he'll run out of steam and just be sitting there for you
And when he is,you can just unload
But their both shorter fighters who will be flawed for different reasons
BTW the word you wanted is hyperbole