Hatton/Floyd = F* what a boring fight...!

[Dizaster]

I'm just rewatching this for actually the first time since watching it on the night.. I can't believe how boring it is... It was the same recipe of what Hopkins used to win a lot of fights... Floyd used his reach to hit Hatton whenever he was just outside range. Whenever he got a 1/4 of an inch INSIDE range, he would dive forward with his head down and hug him... It's a type of fighting I can't stand!! Some of Floyd other fights were tactical genius and just a pleasure to watch him school opponents the way he did... But the tactic of dive and hug as soon as a fighter gets in range to punch, it's ugly and boring.. If you've got skill outside that reach zone of the other oppnent, you'll win fights that way.. But it's sad to watch..

And personally Floyd has to much game to let Pac win... Even if it took trying to potshot Pac on the outside, and hug him anytime he got close.. It's that sort of gritty arsenal that would ensure a Floyd win... Pac would try to be a warrior about it, but you can't hit someone who has both arms around you... And Floyd just has to many ways of not being hit, and getting under fighters skin, and coming out a point on top of too many rounds..

At least that's what i've garnished from the ugly as hell Hatton fight.. And if a ref doesn't warn or deduct points for constant ducking down and hugging repeatedly, you'll always get an ugly fight like that..

(And on a personal note that was debated to death earlier so I won't go into it again,,, whenever the fighters got close and Hatton had a chance at hitting, Cortez would jump the fuck in and literally rip Hatton's free punching hand away to seperate them... Whenever Floyd grabbed and Hatton had no chance, he'd let the hold go on.... He is a shit inconcistent referee i'll say that much)

[brucelee]

That's why I don't like the style of Floyd. He's afraid to get hit. That's the difference between being a great fighter and just being a good fighter.


Mayweather is good but doesn't deserve to be called one of the greats.IMO.


Btw, he was telling people before the fight that he will fight Hatton all the way. Most probably he means hugging and using his elbow.

[Dizaster]

That's why I don't like the style of Floyd. He's afraid to get hit. That's the difference between being a great fighter and just being a good fighter.


Mayweather is good but doesn't deserve to be called one of the greats.IMO.


Btw, he was telling people before the fight that he will fight Hatton all the way. Most probably he means hugging and using his elbow.

Oh yes, the elbow in Hattons face for probably about 8 minutes of the whole fight..


Cortez can warn all he wants, but until he takes a point off, it's okay to do... It's one thing for a fighter to use those tactics, and it can be ugly.. And in the second fight Hatton wasn't exactly pretty himself... But if something like that is going on and the Ref doesn't stop it, then the ref is responsible...

[leftylee]

I've only watched the full fight twice. Once live and again like 6 months ago, it's not pure excitement lets say.

I had PBF up 3-2 after 5 rounds. Joe Fucktez deducted a point in the 6th (I'm pretty sure it was the 6th) and then Hatton lost it, simple as Ah well. What I don't know is how PBF can still can himself pretty after that night ? He should join the MMA with all the shit he done that night.

[brucelee]

He will be KOed in less than 2 minutes if he fights in the MMA. FACT.

[Dizaster]

Yeah that's another point as well.. After that point deduction which was pretty light considering how the rest of the fight was playing out, and on replay Hatton barely even touched him (his hand bounced off the top rope), but yeah after that point Hatton kind of got impatient and went of his game plan a bit. Rushed things, tired himself out a bit more mentally and physically than he was doing in the first half, and let Floyd get the better of him..

I think he did well mostly and the fight was there to be won... He did smother a lot of his work in the later rounds.. He got Floyd into good position on the ropes where he was at a good distance to pound Floyd without Floyd being able to get off as well, but he'd come in to close against Floyd and really didn't get as much out of his attack..

I was really trying to look for ways Pac could beat him, but it's really hard to see..


Also some more notes to be taken from it was that the commentators were commenting on Floyds plan to take a year or 2 off boxing and to not fight for 2008 & 2009... So that seemed like they were talking about him taking a holiday.. But Floyd after the fight sounded more like it was a dead set retirement.. They also mention Floyd was saying that he didn't really "love" boxing... And I think that is something a fighter really needs to continue on and push themselves well into their aging years, like Hopkins and DLH... Floyd has just probably had to much of it through the years..

Good luck to him in retirement..

[Majesty]

That's why I don't like the style of Floyd. He's afraid to get hit. That's the difference between being a great fighter and just being a good fighter.


Mayweather is good but doesn't deserve to be called one of the greats.IMO.


Btw, he was telling people before the fight that he will fight Hatton all the way. Most probably he means hugging and using his elbow.

So Mayweather doesnt deserve to be called a great because he tries his best to not get hit and win fights

[DaxxKahn]

That's why I don't like the style of Floyd. He's afraid to get hit. That's the difference between being a great fighter and just being a good fighter.


Mayweather is good but doesn't deserve to be called one of the greats.IMO.


Btw, he was telling people before the fight that he will fight Hatton all the way. Most probably he means hugging and using his elbow.

I agree the style of PBF is boring...though I always like to remind people the idea is To be hit and not get hit....Though every now and again it is nice to see someone engage in a fight....

That is why I was always such a James Toney fan...He could lay on the ropes wity that shoulder roll when he choose to but you knew the fireworks would come sooner or later on a counter.....

Floyd you know if it going to be a good performence or an snore fest all night while he waits for the points to rally

[TeleTuff]

For me it get`s tireing to hear people make excuses for Hatton loseing the fight with Mayweather,Esp. because the ref made Hatton fight inside the rules of Boxing.As far as Floyd`s gameplan in the fight,I dont know what was expected,Floyd is not A brawler?never has been,what was he supposed to do?stand there and brawl with Hatton?and fight his fight?I knew that was`nt gonna happen,as far as the point deduction goes,I thought it was perfectly in line,last I looked you cannot take A shot at the back of A guy`s head when he is completly turned around,the punch really did`nt land that`s true but the intent was what caused the deduction,Hatton lost because he wrecklessly jumped in on Mayweather and got caught with A counter left hook that ruined him,Mayweather is not Masaua.

[Taeth]

I don't see how this fight was boring, it was very fast paced, Mayweather landed good combination as it went along, was landing potshots effectively, but Hatton's speed and pressure were giving him trouble. Floyd outfought Hatton on the inside, outside, everywhere in the ring. I think he adopted a particular style to deal with Hatton's speed, but Floyd fights everyone differently, look at his last 4 fights,
1. Zab Judah: He came forward with his hands up.
2. Carlos Baldomir: Hands down used a lot of movement to throw Carlos off.
3. Oscar De La HOya: basically used a lot of the jab, but used a lot less movement and stood in there and fought well defensively off the ropes.
4. He potshotted Hatton, but made sure to tie Hatton up by ducking under his first punch and holding on. Hatton's tactics on the inside are as illegal as Floyd's elbows, and both were cautioned for using them. Floyd really implemented that check hook and lead right hand in this fight.

[albsur2006]

That's why I don't like the style of Floyd. He's afraid to get hit. That's the difference between being a great fighter and just being a good fighter.


Mayweather is good but doesn't deserve to be called one of the greats.IMO.


Btw, he was telling people before the fight that he will fight Hatton all the way. Most probably he means hugging and using his elbow.

This garbage pisses me off. Anybody that uses defense is afraid to get hit? The fact that Mayweather has such great all-around skills makes him a great fighter IMO. He's not just your typical come straight ahead type of boxer. Mayweather is a type of fighter that won't be fully respected right now but will be in like 15 years. People like you were the same type of people that would bash Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker for not having a crowd pleasing style and using footwork and defense during their boxing careers.

BTW, Hatton is a known brawler, hugger, and pretty much all around dirty fighter. Mayweather used Hatton's own crap against him. Mayweather showed a type of veteran toughness like a B-Hop that I'd never seen him display. Almost like a little bit of a mean streak. This is why I think he's gonna be hard to beat because he usually just beats people with his skill but people forget that he's got other intangibles too that can kick in at any moment.

[Julius Rain]

i thought hatton did his best to make it a good scrap, but floyd the pussy he is was so afraid of catching anything coming from hatton. He had Coruptez make it a 2 against 1 match.

[Andre]

I don't see how this fight was boring, it was very fast paced, Mayweather landed good combination as it went along, was landing potshots effectively, but Hatton's speed and pressure were giving him trouble. Floyd outfought Hatton on the inside, outside, everywhere in the ring. I think he adopted a particular style to deal with Hatton's speed, but Floyd fights everyone differently, look at his last 4 fights,
1. Zab Judah: He came forward with his hands up.
2. Carlos Baldomir: Hands down used a lot of movement to throw Carlos off.
3. Oscar De La HOya: basically used a lot of the jab, but used a lot less movement and stood in there and fought well defensively off the ropes.
4. He potshotted Hatton, but made sure to tie Hatton up by ducking under his first punch and holding on. Hatton's tactics on the inside are as illegal as Floyd's elbows, and both were cautioned for using them. Floyd really implemented that check hook and lead right hand in this fight.

I tend to remember the fight more like this too, but i try not to look to hard at any of the crap that doesnt count, I ignore the hugs but count the smothers on the way in as smart play and Im back looking for what happens immediatley either side of the hugs, if they break on their own accord.
Its one I wouldn't watch again though for all points Diz brought up about it.

It was a good fight in bursts.Ring general ship on Floyds behalf too, getting to choke out Rickys attempts even the way he did.
Cortez did look like he was there for only one fighters protection though.
Still it wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome if he had of just stood back for longer, it would of just got dirtier and Floyd would have gone the old fashioned glove to elbow defence on the way in etc then acting like it was an accident, he is capable of being sly and nasty if need be too.

[Dizaster]

For me it get`s tireing to hear people make excuses for Hatton loseing the fight with Mayweather,Esp. because the ref made Hatton fight inside the rules of Boxing.As far as Floyd`s gameplan in the fight,I dont know what was expected,Floyd is not A brawler?never has been,what was he supposed to do?stand there and brawl with Hatton?and fight his fight?I knew that was`nt gonna happen,as far as the point deduction goes,I thought it was perfectly in line,last I looked you cannot take A shot at the back of A guy`s head when he is completly turned around,the punch really did`nt land that`s true but the intent was what caused the deduction,Hatton lost because he wrecklessly jumped in on Mayweather and got caught with A counter left hook that ruined him,Mayweather is not Masaua.

I havn't read in all the post so far in this thread, anyone making excuses for Hatton losing.... I am peresonally tired of people hearing a subject, and automatically assuming the message or aguement people are trying to make.

Hatton lost, in fact for a fair bit of the fight, the ref DID let him fight his way, and he went overboard, smothered his own work, and lost it for himself.. And I havn't see anyone else say anything to the contrary above..

I was simply pointing out the inconsitency of the ref in this particular fight, because this was the fight I watched last night... And NOT in the context that Hatton lost because of it... So i'm sorry if you're tired of that arguement, but no one is making it here..

[Dizaster]

I'm also staying well clear of the point that a fighter has to brawl for me to enjoy it... There are few, and I mean few fights that I really consider boring... And even fewer actual fighters..
But, at some stages, a certain style can get frustrating.. It's nothing against Floyd, and for most of his fights i'm in awe... But sometimes, in some fights, some fighters have a really ugly ass way of not getting hit... It's simple..

It's still boxing, and the back and forth ways fights go, and the battle for the opponent to overcome whathever a guy is throwing at him is what boxing is all about.. So no, I don't need to guys to be slamming each other mindlessly to enjoy a fight.. Not at all.. But there will be fights here and there where I get frustrated... This is one of them...

However it does get a little better as the fight goes on... And actually the whole point which I probably didn't highlight enough was that I don't think Pac could beat Floyd simply because he's capable of handing all sorts of offence, with all sorts of defence... Of course he can throw back as well when need be.. But it's hard to look back on Pac's history and find an opponent that is as good at nullyfing a fighters offence as Floyd..

So you gotta believe at least 80% of what was effective on poor old Oscar is either not going to be thrown at Floyd because his head isn't there, or it's going to be miss in some way and be ineffective..