I had it 114-113 (Berto v Collazo)

[Taeth]

I think 116-111 is retarded, I don't think Berto should have been taken away a point for holding that was retarded then i would have had a little wider margin, but wow they both went to war. I've never seen Collazo fight like this, and Berto showed maybe the first extremely gifted fighter since Meldrick Taylor that he can stand in there and trade, and do it well. There better be a fight way better than Marg-Cotto in order to beat this for fight of the year, this is what I call back and forth action, with high skill guys who like to fight.

That being said I am little dissapointed that Berto won't be the next Mayweather or Hopkins or RJJ, he doesn't have that kind of mindset that you need to be like them, I think if he would have moved more, and kept the distance Collazo wouldn't be able to deal with his speed, and he wasn't able to, but Berto let Collazo do his thing too often, let Collazo throw Calzaghe type punches too many times.

I must say though I am finally happy that clean, decisive punching finally got a nod in boxing.

[Violent Demise]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

[armin]

I watched the fight and didn't score it round by round, rather watch the action, but in my head I had collazo up by like 2 or 3 rounds plus the extra point deduction. Really wasn't that close in my eyes, collazo kept comming forward applying pressure and throwing punches, for most of the fight andre didn't seem to have his legs at all. I think only reason berto got the nod is cause he's hbo's next darling, kind of like jermaine got those razo thin decisions against bhop, except I don't think this was that close.

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

Yup pure stupidity on Collazo's part but I still felt he should have won.

[Taeth]

Hey, he didn't fight like that against Mosley, IMO he could have drowned out Mosley with workrate if he had foughten like that. Definitely that broken thumb played a part, but wow Berto is so fast. I can't wait to download it, and see the fight with better resolution. I hope Berto realizes that his life would be so much easier if he just used his speed and boxed from the outside, when he did that properly, Collazo had no answers.

[Taeth]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

Yup pure stupidity on Collazo's part but I still felt he should have won.

Do you guys even realize the pace they were going?

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

Yup pure stupidity on Collazo's part but I still felt he should have won.

Do you guys even realize the pace they were going?

Collazo took a whole round and part of another with his hands down clealy givin away the round

[RozzySean]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

That was my score. I can't blame anybody who had it 114-113 for Berto. There were some close rounds. Taeth, I'm glad you see the light on Berto. He has that amazing handspeed you love, but he just doesn't have the skill. When Collazo was laying on the ropes, he looked like James Toney against Berto. At times he really made him look like an amateur (albeit a gifted one).

Berto isn't going to have the defense to deal with a complete fighter like Cotto or weapon of mass destruction like Tony. It's clear Berto can be hit and he can be hurt. Collazo isn't a big puncher, and if Berto was taking those shots from Cotto or Tony, he would be done. That being said, Berto showed amazing heart tonight. Sure, one insane judge was clearly trying to hand him this fight, but he one the 12th fair and square. If Collazo had won that round, he would have gotten his decision. The 116-111 score was retarded, but I can't bitch about 114-113 Berto. All credit to Berto for gutting out that last round.

[RozzySean]

I had it 114-113 Collazo. But when Collazo took those rounds off I had a feeling he was giving the fight away. And he did. Fukk him. I'm done with him

Yup pure stupidity on Collazo's part but I still felt he should have won.

Do you guys even realize the pace they were going?

You got this right. Collazo was gassed those rounds. It wasn't stupidity. This fight should have been a draw. The point shouldn't have been taken from Berto, and it was rounds to 6-6. Collazo was in with a man with far superior physical gifts, but he proved what skill can do against, even in the face of talent like Berto's.

[Taeth]

I guess we will see, its amazing how people give him no credit, yet Cotto doesn't have a good defense(Easier IMO to hit than Berto), does get hurt easily, and is way slower, yet he is given all the credit in the world, I would liked to see him deal with the Collazo that fought tonight, I think he wins, but it would be a really close fight, and that Collazo speed, workrate, and chin in particular gives Berto more problems than Cotto's arsenal because Cotto is more of a methodical fighter, and he isn't fast enough to deal with Berto's speed, I think Margarito may be another story, Berto doesn't move enough, nor does he have that elegant footwork. To be fair about Berto's defense in this fight, in some places it looked really good, and I think he realized that Collazo couldn't hurt him at some point and decided to trade shots.

I mean Hatton is a worldclass fighter and looked how Collazo did against him, also look at the early rounds in Mosley-Collazo and even later on Mosley wasn't totally dominating Collazo, he certainly didn't land as many shots as Berto did, and he was just lucky that Collazo didn't have a higher output.

[Taeth]

Yup pure stupidity on Collazo's part but I still felt he should have won.

Do you guys even realize the pace they were going?

You got this right. Collazo was gassed those rounds. It wasn't stupidity. This fight should have been a draw. The point shouldn't have been taken from Berto, and it was rounds to 6-6. Collazo was in with a man with far superior physical gifts, but he proved what skill can do against, even in the face of talent like Berto's.

I didn't see skill in Collazo favor, maybe on the inside, it was purely workrate, Berto on the outside was clearly outboxing COllazo when they were actually boxing, but Collazo was using those light, but numourous punches on the inside, and Berto had a hard time dealing with it.

[JT Rock]

I never agree with taeth, but something has to be said when your opponent throws 200 more punches than you but you land more and with better authority...

Collazo was at 27%

Berto was at 39%

Luis is a tough strong slick southpaw with a good defense.. He is a stylistic nightmare for anyone.. Berto passed the heart test tonite.

The test to see if he is truly going to be a great fighter will be determined if he can go back to the gym and make the needed adjustments

I'm still backing my boy

[Spicoli]

Rewatching late and I think Collazo had to find that wind,If he would have let it all go and open up,Berto may very well have dropped him hard.He was feeling that Body late rounds.Was a really good fight,thought Collazo earned it.A rematch is probally being drawn up right now

[TitoFan]

Berto got away with one here, but it'll be a different story when he steps in against the truly elite fighters in the division.

I can't wait.

[RozzySean]

Do you guys even realize the pace they were going?

You got this right. Collazo was gassed those rounds. It wasn't stupidity. This fight should have been a draw. The point shouldn't have been taken from Berto, and it was rounds to 6-6. Collazo was in with a man with far superior physical gifts, but he proved what skill can do against, even in the face of talent like Berto's.

I didn't see skill in Collazo favor, maybe on the inside, it was purely workrate, Berto on the outside was clearly outboxing COllazo when they were actually boxing, but Collazo was using those light, but numourous punches on the inside, and Berto had a hard time dealing with it.

The factor on the outside was Berto's speed. I was actually surprised at how many shots, even on the outside, Collazo was able to slip, and considering the speed advantage of Berto, the battle from the outside was much close than it should have been. That was skill, not workrate, and Collazo chewed him him up on the inside.

There was some shoeshine on the inside, once Collazo started to tire, but earlier, Collazo was chewing him up with meaningful shots during the infighting. Collazo landed a number of clean shots from the the outside. When they were in tight, Berto really had no answer at any point. Berto got a generous decision in this one. A very generous decision. And the reason he got it was that he won some close rounds with is speed and he clearly won the 12th, finding gear we didnt' know he possessed. This fight was all about his physical ability.

Also, Cotto has a better jab than Collazo. Collazo is a bit faster, sure, but Cotto has a punishing jab. I'm not sure Collazo was any faster than Mosley, and I know for sure that Berto doesn't have Mosley's chin. If Berto steps it up beyond Collazo, he sort out some of the flaws in his game.