Bilbo...

[amat]

I must have missed it, but what do you have against Bute? I will probably regret I asked but I need the laugh.

[Kev]

Actually nothing to do with him personally, he's a very talented fighter imo.

It was just the Ring's ridiculous decision to rate him as the world's best Super Middleweight ahead of Ward, Froch, Abraham and Kessler.

Clearly this is Golden Boy's doing, the other 168 lb champs are fighting on Showtime, a rival network to HBO, Oscar's cash buddies so they make the one super middleweight of any merit who actually fights on HBO against Andrade the number 1 at the weight.

It's crap. Andre Ward beat, nay demolished the number 1 fighter in Kessler and by rights is clearly number 1. Carl Froch for all his faults has consecutive wins over current world champ Jean Pascal, former undisputed champ Jermain Taylor and a close win over Andre Dirrell. Those wins rate above Bute's also.

I can see Bute being at number 3 but number 1 is just a fix.

What I find bizarre is the inconsistencies in the Rings voting structure since Golden Boy took over. Before I used to agree with them almost always, now their votes are political it seems.

Nonito Donaire is still shamefully number 6 in the world, yet he has only ever fought one single world rated opponent, and that two years ago.

Andre Ward beat Kessler, who I reckon most would agree is as good as Vic Darchinyan more or less, and he did it now, so on that logic he should be in the p4p too if Donaire is there. Yet he's not even number one in his own division according to them.

Of course I don't think Andre Ward should be p4p it's just the strange logic I don't understand.

I blame Oscar De La Hoya.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I must have missed it, but what do you have against Bute? I will probably regret I asked but I need the laugh.

it's obvious, he's not Froch lol

[Kev]

I must have missed it, but what do you have against Bute? I will probably regret I asked but I need the laugh.

it's obvious, he's not Froch lol

Actually both Amat and myself before the Super Six started publicly voted for Andre Ward to win the tournament

[OumaFan]

For what its worth, I've said some of the same things about him

[ICB]

Actually nothing to do with him personally, he's a very talented fighter imo.

It was just the Ring's ridiculous decision to rate him as the world's best Super Middleweight ahead of Ward, Froch, Abraham and Kessler.

Clearly this is Golden Boy's doing, the other 168 lb champs are fighting on Showtime, a rival network to HBO, Oscar's cash buddies so they make the one super middleweight of any merit who actually fights on HBO against Andrade the number 1 at the weight.

It's crap. Andre Ward beat, nay demolished the number 1 fighter in Kessler and by rights is clearly number 1. Carl Froch for all his faults has consecutive wins over current world champ Jean Pascal, former undisputed champ Jermain Taylor and a close win over Andre Dirrell. Those wins rate above Bute's also.

I can see Bute being at number 3 but number 1 is just a fix.

What I find bizarre is the inconsistencies in the Rings voting structure since Golden Boy took over. Before I used to agree with them almost always, now their votes are political it seems.

Nonito Donaire is still shamefully number 6 in the world, yet he has only ever fought one single world rated opponent, and that two years ago.

Andre Ward beat Kessler, who I reckon most would agree is as good as Vic Darchinyan more or less, and he did it now, so on that logic he should be in the p4p too if Donaire is there. Yet he's not even number one in his own division according to them.

Of course I don't think Andre Ward should be p4p it's just the strange logic I don't understand.

I blame Oscar De La Hoya.

I agree that he isn't the number 1 Super Middleweight, but i just think people are going over board. Because i don't think hardly anyone thought Librado Andrade would ever be KO'ed.

He was considered to be un KO'able if that even makes sense. But as i told you Bilbo he still does have some underrated win, although he lacks a big win over a well known name.

Im actually gutted he isn't in the Super Six, i've liked Lucian Bute for atleast 2 years now. And i think he should of been in the tournament over Jermain Taylor, it would of been a much better tournament IMO.

And personally i feel sorry for Lucian Bute, that he's going to have to wait until 2011 to get a big fight against any of the super six. He actually might be forced to move up because theres only Denis Inkin and ETC.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

You're all clearly racist.

[Nameless]

I quite like Bute, you won't hear me say nothing wrong about him and I will state it again: if he fights Froch, he'll dismantle him.

Thus said, ranking him #1 is a superb honor and something superbly silly too. I would rate him third, behind Abraham and Ward personally. Hopefully he'll fight Pavlik and then one of the top 3 of the tournament.

And Bilbo: Bute is not promoted one second by Golden Boy. 100% copyright material to Interbox for almost 2 more years.

[Rantcatrat]

I like Bute's use the body shot.

Who does he fight next? Assuming Hopkins doesn't happen...

[Nameless]

I like Bute's use the body shot.

Who does he fight next? Assuming Hopkins doesn't happen...

Hbo wants Pavlik, so does Interbox so it's perhaps the next logical showdown.

[Rantcatrat]

I like Bute's use the body shot.

Who does he fight next? Assuming Hopkins doesn't happen...

Hbo wants Pavlik, so does Interbox so it's perhaps the next logical showdown.

Sucks for Pavlik.

[Fenster]

Actually nothing to do with him personally, he's a very talented fighter imo.

It was just the Ring's ridiculous decision to rate him as the world's best Super Middleweight ahead of Ward, Froch, Abraham and Kessler.

Clearly this is Golden Boy's doing, the other 168 lb champs are fighting on Showtime, a rival network to HBO, Oscar's cash buddies so they make the one super middleweight of any merit who actually fights on HBO against Andrade the number 1 at the weight.

It's crap. Andre Ward beat, nay demolished the number 1 fighter in Kessler and by rights is clearly number 1. Carl Froch for all his faults has consecutive wins over current world champ Jean Pascal, former undisputed champ Jermain Taylor and a close win over Andre Dirrell. Those wins rate above Bute's also.

I can see Bute being at number 3 but number 1 is just a fix.

What I find bizarre is the inconsistencies in the Rings voting structure since Golden Boy took over. Before I used to agree with them almost always, now their votes are political it seems.

Nonito Donaire is still shamefully number 6 in the world, yet he has only ever fought one single world rated opponent, and that two years ago.

Andre Ward beat Kessler, who I reckon most would agree is as good as Vic Darchinyan more or less, and he did it now, so on that logic he should be in the p4p too if Donaire is there. Yet he's not even number one in his own division according to them.

Of course I don't think Andre Ward should be p4p it's just the strange logic I don't understand.

I blame Oscar De La Hoya.

It's always been flawed. The Ring ignored their own history when restarting the ratings around 2001. So didn't recognise the flyweight linage, ignored Michalczewski's lightheavy linage to award it to Jones and broke it's own rules to make Vitali-Sanders for the Ring belt.

It's just less crap overall than the alphabets.

[Rantcatrat]

Actually nothing to do with him personally, he's a very talented fighter imo.

It was just the Ring's ridiculous decision to rate him as the world's best Super Middleweight ahead of Ward, Froch, Abraham and Kessler.

Clearly this is Golden Boy's doing, the other 168 lb champs are fighting on Showtime, a rival network to HBO, Oscar's cash buddies so they make the one super middleweight of any merit who actually fights on HBO against Andrade the number 1 at the weight.

It's crap. Andre Ward beat, nay demolished the number 1 fighter in Kessler and by rights is clearly number 1. Carl Froch for all his faults has consecutive wins over current world champ Jean Pascal, former undisputed champ Jermain Taylor and a close win over Andre Dirrell. Those wins rate above Bute's also.

I can see Bute being at number 3 but number 1 is just a fix.

What I find bizarre is the inconsistencies in the Rings voting structure since Golden Boy took over. Before I used to agree with them almost always, now their votes are political it seems.

Nonito Donaire is still shamefully number 6 in the world, yet he has only ever fought one single world rated opponent, and that two years ago.

Andre Ward beat Kessler, who I reckon most would agree is as good as Vic Darchinyan more or less, and he did it now, so on that logic he should be in the p4p too if Donaire is there. Yet he's not even number one in his own division according to them.

Of course I don't think Andre Ward should be p4p it's just the strange logic I don't understand.

I blame Oscar De La Hoya.

It sounds like your beef is with Ring magazine, not Bute. Bute is not overrated. Bute hasn't dodged anyone and has fought tough opponents. He doesn't receive too much attention, outside of Canada most people haven't heard of him and it's not like he is HBO or Golden Boy's wonder child - he only just had his first fight on HBO and has a long contract with a Canadian promoter.

FYI - Espn.com ranks Bute number 2 behind Ward now.

I'd pick Bute, Andrade, and Bika to beat Froch right now. Big statement I know. That's not to say Froch doesn't deserve to be ranked where he is because he definitely does. I like Froch's guts and willingness to put it one the line.

Although I can see the logic with Froch and Ward, I don't see how anyone can rank Abraham or Kessler above Bute right now.

[Fenster]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

[Rantcatrat]

I think Bute's lofty ranking is an overreaction to beating Andrade too. Kessler beat Andrade easy. Bute was virtually knocked out before putting the record straight.

I don't think Andrade would beat anyone in the Super Six.

Abraham would blast him to bits. Taylor (even a near finished version) would outbox him. Dirrell and Ward would make him look like a complete lumbering slowcoach and Froch would look slick against him (Froch slick ).

Bute is without doubt a top supermiddle but his win over Andrade doesn't get him above the Super Six boys. Even though I think he could beat a few of them.

Bute beat Andrade easily too - both times. Just the first time was only for 10 rounds. The last two rounds shouldn't take away from how good Bute looked for 5/6 of the fight. Kessler couldn't knock Andrade out, Bute did. No other smw has two wins over current top ten opponents. That is why Bute enjoys a lofty rating.

Oh come on. Really? Froch would beat Andrade? Bika and Andrade over Froch. I'll change my tune if Froch beats Kessler. Seriously though, Froch and slick can't ever be in the same paragraph, let alone sentence.