My PBF Theory

[mad_takamura]

Any fighter right now who's right handed will lose to PBF. Why? Because his shoulder roll is more effective against orthodox fighters. Add PBF'S cat-like reflexes, boxing ingenuity and effective counter punching: no orthodox fighter in this day of age has a chance against PBF. Only when PBF gets old or shot will they have a chance.
That's why mosley's going to lose.

[Taeth]

I actually think an orthodox fighter may have a better chance. IMO the best way to beat Mayweather would obviously be to neutralize him with a very fast jab and back him up to the ropes and throw a lot of punches while changing angles and using head movement. IMO a guy like Gamboa lets say if he could theoretically move up to 147 over night with amazing success would have a better chance against Mayweather than Manny. I think its because Mayweather doesn't get as frozen against southpaws the same way he does sometimes against orthodox fighters. For whatever reason Mayweather fights southpaws and counters/potshots orthodox guys. I don't think Mayweather is as comfortable trying to be offensive against orthodox fighters because his style of attack doesn't utilize as many angles as guys like Pacquiao, RJJ, and Gamboa. So generally offensively he can get in his leaping left hook or a jab or even a lead right hand, but not with the same force as when he faces a southpaw. Also he is much more effective to the body against southpaws because his straight right to the body is lined up perfectly.

IMO there are a myriad of reasons why Mosley could lose to Mayweather, and I think style is the biggest reason. Mosley hasn't historically done really well against the boxer types with a great jab(except Oscar in their first fight). I think if Mayweather for his part needs to keep off the ropes if he wants to look effective on fight night, for whatever reason like RJJ he fights off the ropes way more than he should, and even though he is more effective defensively he doesn't do the things that Roy did off the ropes that won him rounds.

[Big-mike13]

The key to beat PBF is obvious - unfortunately nobody has been able to do it - throw too many punches for him to block or duck. He is too smart to let him control the fight. You have to punch, punch, punch....even Ricky Hatton did well while firing away. If you sit back like a scare crow you will get JMM-ed. But if you fire away you have a shot.

Sugar Shane in 8. Speed and Power.

[Taeth]

punch, punch, punch doens't work as Victoriano Sosa, De La Hoya, Jesus Chavez and Philip N'dou found out, you have to have the right strategy if anything you should be using your jab or just pressure to back Floyd up to the ropes and go for the body a lot. I just don't think southpaws are set up to control the ring in the right manner to beat Mayweather.

I've learned that its not about actually beating slick boxers, its about looking really busy against them, not just with punches but iwth movement and maintaining the agression in the fight.

I don't think Manny would land more real punches on Floyd than Floyd would land on him, either will Mosley, but the way they could beat Mayweather is by getting him back against the ropes a lot and backing punches of his gloves, arms, and shoulders. Even if he lands twice as many punches a round he has a much higher chance of losing rounds where he isn't in the middle of the ring when he throws 30-40 punches a round.

One advantage Mayweather has is that because he is so popular and is considered a great defensive fighter now, he will win rounds and get credit for things other fighters won't, but should get credit for. He introduced his style of fighting enough to the world that it is accepted and appreciated more than other defensive guys were.

[JonesJrMayweather]

High activity is a very good idea..if one were to throw throw throw then back away all the way across the ring and make floyd come get them, then cover up and let him try to retaliate for all the punches you threw at him, just as soon as he gets close enough, throw throw throw. it'd be a very hectic pace and only two people I think have the stamina for that, unfortunately one of them is floyd, the other is pac...

Also floyd has fallen into the roy jones latter career stages of fighting in stacatto bursts, so a lot of activity will give him problems, but you have to shorten every punch, i'd just say throw everything down the pipe, no hooks it would very hard for floyd. Straight punches always (relatively speaking) of course seem to land on floyd..

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Any fighter right now who's right handed will lose to PBF. Why? Because his shoulder roll is more effective against orthodox fighters. Add PBF'S cat-like reflexes, boxing ingenuity and effective counter punching: no orthodox fighter in this day of age has a chance against PBF. Only when PBF gets old or shot will they have a chance.
That's why mosley's going to lose.

While I disagree that Floyd can beat ANY orthodox fighter... I'll agree that a Lefty has a better chance.

[Nameless]

To beat floyd, it takes a good volume of shots, a speed to match his and enough power to be respected. Manny has the 3, the question is : would he be disciplined enough to fight intelligently enough to solve the puzzle?

[Master]

A high pace so that he is forced to engage, clever traps for him to fall into, good jab and overhand right hand with a nice left hook to finish. Come on Shane.

[mad_takamura]

A high pace so that he is forced to engage, clever traps for him to fall into, good jab and overhand right hand with a nice left hook to finish. Come on Shane.

All will be countered by pbf's sharp reflexes. Like what pbf said on pbf-jmm 24-7: "My defenses are so sharp now i can feel it before he even think of throwing a punch."
And when mosley gets tired hitting pbf's shoulder rolls, it's floyd's turn to mess mosley's face accurately.
I see a wide shutdown via ud for pbf. I like pbf to lose, much more to ssm, but i really can't see ssm winning this though...

[mad_takamura]

I actually think an orthodox fighter may have a better chance. IMO the best way to beat Mayweather would obviously be to neutralize him with a very fast jab and back him up to the ropes and throw a lot of punches while changing angles and using head movement. IMO a guy like Gamboa lets say if he could theoretically move up to 147 over night with amazing success would have a better chance against Mayweather than Manny. I think its because Mayweather doesn't get as frozen against southpaws the same way he does sometimes against orthodox fighters. For whatever reason Mayweather fights southpaws and counters/potshots orthodox guys. I don't think Mayweather is as comfortable trying to be offensive against orthodox fighters because his style of attack doesn't utilize as many angles as guys like Pacquiao, RJJ, and Gamboa. So generally offensively he can get in his leaping left hook or a jab or even a lead right hand, but not with the same force as when he faces a southpaw. Also he is much more effective to the body against southpaws because his straight right to the body is lined up perfectly.

IMO there are a myriad of reasons why Mosley could lose to Mayweather, and I think style is the biggest reason. Mosley hasn't historically done really well against the boxer types with a great jab(except Oscar in their first fight). I think if Mayweather for his part needs to keep off the ropes if he wants to look effective on fight night, for whatever reason like RJJ he fights off the ropes way more than he should, and even though he is more effective defensively he doesn't do the things that Roy did off the ropes that won him rounds.

Exactly my point Taeth! Pbf is an effective counter-puncher, and his shoulder roll is a good set-up for that counter punching. He'll justwait for the guy to tire or give up some opening,straight counter away or back up and counter with a right straight or left hook and i'm talking about him using this move against orthodox fighters! Southpaws has a more chance of getting to pbf coz shoulder roll is rendered useless against southpaws. Against southpaws he will either slip away as a defensive alternative and be ready for a counter right cross if ever the southpaw fires that left or be drawn in to a slugfest. My point is: the shoulder roll is the trump card by pbf,it helped him to be where he is right now as a defensive genius and guess what? He's gonna use it against ssm coz he fits for it: as an orthodox fighter. And he already proved this formula again and again and iv'e seen it clearly. HE CAN'T BE BEATEN BY ANY ORTHODOX FIGHTERS IN HIS PRIME BECAUSE HIS SHOULDER ROLL HAS BEEN PROVEN EFFECTIVE AGAINST THEM AND WILL ALWAYS BE IMO.