Kevin Rooney: "Mormeck has mastered the style of Tyson's prime"

[El Kabong]

Well ross, what do you think of this? I think a tiny little cruiserweight is going to get demolished by Wladimir when they finally fight.

At least Kevin Rooney is training someone getting a title shot, heck if Jean Marc does well maybe others will use him, but Kev has talked up this fight big time and how Mormeck has studied Tyson, how Tyson fought & beat taller guys, and those were the reasons they took the fight.


I'm just going to go ahead and throw out my reasons why Mormeck using Tyson's style won't work: Wlad isn't scared of him, Mormeck doesn't have the power, Mormeck doesn't have the chin, and Wlad's style is perfect to make anyone not dynamic with that peekaboo style look like a chump. But that's just how I see it.

Tyson fans?

[Gandalf]

It's a crap fight and Mormeck is not prime Tyson. Trainers always talk shit, so why should we get excited by this?

[Gandalf]

Wlad is rubbish and concedes it by accepting that his brother is better. Tyson would destroy him.

[El Kabong]

Wlad is rubbish and concedes it by accepting that his brother is better. Tyson would destroy him.

That's something called humility....perhaps you've, naaaah you've never heard of it

The whole Tyson-Wlad match is an erroneous concept, I just found it humorous that #1 Kevin Rooney has been hired by a boxer with a shot at a title and #2 Jean Marc Mormeck of all people has "mastered" the Tyson style.


As for Rooney, the "Tyson style", etc....there's a ton of stocky little dudes out there that can punch, especially in the heavyweight division, so why has Rooney had so little success outside of Tyson?...perhaps because there are flaws with that system just as with any other, but the flaws in this system are easier to expose and have NEVER produced a top notch fighter that stayed at the top for an extended period of time the way other styles have done?

I'll give you that part of the answer is that Tyson's intangibles, chin, handspeed, power, size, were just there and filled in the gaps in this system, but to me though exciting, that technique was not built for the long haul and could be exploited easily by other styles.

[Gandalf]

Oh, and Tyson was so easily exploited in his prime. Was he heck, he was great and it wasn't down to Rooney. You cannot make Mormeck a Tyson. Tyson was special and incredibly so.

Rooney is talking shit, but that is no reason to bring down Tyson who was a wonderful fighter.

[fightscorecollector]

Oh, and Tyson was so easily exploited in his prime. Was he heck, he was great and it wasn't down to Rooney. You cannot make Mormeck a Tyson. Tyson was special and incredibly so.

Rooney is talking shit, but that is no reason to bring down Tyson who was a wonderful fighter.

i agree with this , Mormeck is nowhere near as effective as Tyson was in his prime...certainly a weird comment by Kevin Rooney

[AdamGB]

I find it humorous that Mormeck is even in the ring with Wlad... Let alone that rooney has trained him to master the peekaboo style

[Spicoli]

Poor Kevin. Still trying to shake off that brutal Arguello right hand. But I thought this steaming pile of a gimme, erm, I mean fight was off

[El Kabong]

Poor Kevin. Still trying to shake off that brutal Arguello right hand. But I thought this steaming pile of a gimme, erm, I mean fight was off

Well #1 I agree, this fight DOES suck...Wlad said "Mormeck was the only one that stepped forward to take the fight" #2 Corrie Sanders was like the 11th choice for the fight vs Wlad all those years ago, so you never know #3 The fight has been postponed until February or March, I don't know...not that I'm happy about it.


miles, I am not bringing Tyson down I gave Tyson credit for the success of his own style because Tyson was the only guy at the time who hand the intangibles to make the style LESS vulnerable. Tyson had power, handspeed, athletic ability, good size, a killer instinct and a solid chin. Mike Tyson is the reason there have been no more Mike Tyson's (in any weight class) he was the guy who fit the bill perfectly for who you have to be to use that style effectively. Look at Rooney's most recent talents and how little they've produced Thomas Hayes heavyweight out of Chicago DESTROYED by Cris Arreola, Leonard Pierre Anasta of Haiti DEMOLISHED by Kelly Pavlik....those were Rooney's BEST fighters!!!

It's funny you mention Arguello-Rooney Spicoli, because that's almost what Wlad-Mormeck is

[roberto duran legend]

Sounds like Kevin Rooney has hit the bottle again

[ross]

Well ross, what do you think of this?

You cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Iv seen Mormeck fight and Tyson he isnt. Tyson wouldnt lose to Oneil Bell and David Haye

Mormeck doesnt have the quickness to move and throw combinations, he doesnt take a good shot and hes not really a puncher either.

Rooney is getting paid, dont forget that. Hes not going to say "I was offered good money to train this old small has been but I dont think he has a chance"

I think Mormeck gets stopped before the half way mark but I will be interested to see if he can use the head movement if only for a round. If Mormeck has any success using Tysons style and I mean, looking competative before Wlads size tells, that more fighters will go to Rooney. You do need to be athletic and quick to have success with the style, a chin and power arent really the be all and end all because the style is focussed on the two main aspects of boxing, not getting hit and landing punches. Floyd Patterson didnt have the greatest chin or the biggest punch butbhe had good success because he was quick. Mormeck isnt.

[El Kabong]

You cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Iv seen Mormeck fight and Tyson he isnt. Tyson wouldnt lose to Oneil Bell and David Haye

Mormeck doesnt have the quickness to move and throw combinations, he doesnt take a good shot and hes not really a puncher either.

Rooney is getting paid, dont forget that. Hes not going to say "I was offered good money to train this old small has been but I dont think he has a chance"

I think Mormeck gets stopped before the half way mark but I will be interested to see if he can use the head movement if only for a round. If Mormeck has any success using Tysons style and I mean, looking competative before Wlads size tells, that more fighters will go to Rooney. You do need to be athletic and quick to have success with the style, a chin and power arent really the be all and end all because the style is focussed on the two main aspects of boxing, not getting hit and landing punches. Floyd Patterson didnt have the greatest chin or the biggest punch butbhe had good success because he was quick. Mormeck isnt.

I know Rooney is getting paid ross, and it's not uncommon for a trainer to have overwhelming confidence in his charge, but this is ridiculous.

Floyd Patterson didn't have the biggest punch He had great power for such a little guy...he damn near killed Johanssen in their rematch. Yes he had quick hands and good head movement too, but his chin failed him where Tyson's did not....still doesn't make the style all that great though tall guys that can box using their height and reach, especially ones like Wlad that can hook off the jab can keep the low crouch peekaboo style fighters at bay.

I'm hard pressed to think of good fighters over the past 5-10 years that would have actually benefitted from the peekaboo style....Ricky Hatton maybe? Sam Peter was just too slow to use it, same with Arreola, Tavoris Cloud maybe? I just do not think it's all that great of a style because you have to have a certain skill set to even think of using it....it's great for short little stocky power punchers, and pressure fighters, but that's about it.

[ross]

Your right, there have been shite fighters at heavy over the last 10 years. None would have beaten the old tired Lewis

There havent been any and there is none that are quick and coordinated rather than just big and strong.

A lot of the top heavies now are europeans who have done well after years of amateur comp. None have been rushed through the amateur scene because the trainer realises he has a massive talent that could make a lot of people a lot of money fighting in the pros. Not since Tyson has a fighter of only 18 had the expectations of becoming THE heavyweight champ with no worry of the current comp that included Holmes getting in their way.

[Andre]

Ya have to be a touch crazy to make that style work like Tyson did too. Block the odd shot with your forehead and growl and snarl more as you smash their fists out of the way to make room for whats coming for them. Was a fun time .

[Mar]

Mormeck couldn't even beat tyson right now. What did he master the biting ? I could see him practicing and getting good at that. But that's about it