What are Groves' chances in Germany?

[Tam Seddon]

Reading around websites it seems the Germans are pretty keen on the idea of Stegilez - Abraham and with that being an all German showdown it seems that Groves is going to have a tough test in Germany to walk away with the belt. Does anybody think Groves can pull this off?? I do think he's going to need a stoppage with the possible Stegilez - Abraham showdown in the loom.

I hope he can pull it off though, this is a big risk but no doubt would be rewarding if Groves can do it.

[Dropanuke]

Slim

[p4pking]

I've never even seen Groves fight, but that doesn't really matter here as his chances of winning the fight have nothing to do with whether he actually does unless it's by way of fatality. Who promotes him? Poor kid, hope he get's paid well for taking it up the arse like that.

[Beanz]

Groves is quite capable of winning by KO.

[Rantcatrat]

I'll admit that I've only seen his big fights, but I like Groves in this fight. I actually think he's got a pretty big upside generally. My only concern is that the fight is a little bit early in Groves' career considering Stieglitz's experience level. I'm cautiously optimistic for him.

[Leighton]

I would not count him out. Either way he has nothing to lose. He is fighting a guy ranked fourth in the world when he has only had 14 fights. I would say he has a reasonably good chance but I have never watched a Steglitz fight so I better go off and download one.

[armin]

From the few fights I seen grooves he's looked pretty good, altho I remember him sayin he'd stay away from goin for a world trinket for a while to get more expirience, oh well money talks. Well as bad as a rap as germany gets I still think his chances are significantly higher than fighting a house fighter in texas which in my eyes over the last few years is far worse to the visiting fighter....still I think if he doesn't knock stieglitz out hell have to win like 8-4 ish on the cards to get the decision...good luck to grooves and hopefully its a good fight.

[Galaxy]

I think he's got a pretty good chance, Stieglitz ain't special but he's solid & definitely more experienced against a higher level of opposition than Groves

But I think Groves has the ability to pull the upset, I think its an extremely tough fight for both guys. My brain says Stieglitz is too soon & Groves loses a wide decision or possibly gets stopped late

But I'm still backing Groves

[erics44]

Haye won in germany against valuev in a fight that could have gone either way, perhaps haye got the nod coz the potential of earnings was better with haye as champ

I understand the situation with a abraham fight but i think groves has some financial backing too

i hope he wins, I am a fan

[armyash]

A loss wont harm him unless he gets destroyed early. Winning this fight would not be the biggest upset, I believe he has a chance but as I said in another thread, if he wins where does he go? He may fight unknowns for a year or 2 then put in with the likes of Bute, Ward, Kessler etc. Too soon to be going for this title it's crazy.

I don't understand it, he's a good ticket seller and is probably making good money defending his British and Commonwealth belts while selling out arenas. It's a way of swerving the euro belt and avoiding Degale but at what cost?

[Galaxy]

A loss wont harm him unless he gets destroyed early. Winning this fight would not be the biggest upset, I believe he has a chance but as I said in another thread, if he wins where does he go? He may fight unknowns for a year or 2 then put in with the likes of Bute, Ward, Kessler etc. Too soon to be going for this title it's crazy.

I don't understand it, he's a good ticket seller and is probably making good money defending his British and Commonwealth belts while selling out arenas. It's a way of swerving the euro belt and avoiding Degale but at what cost?

Agreed, but he maybe able to squeeze in an easy defense or two before having to face those guys. But he may have to face Abraham sooner rather than later...

[Tam Seddon]

A loss wont harm him unless he gets destroyed early. Winning this fight would not be the biggest upset, I believe he has a chance but as I said in another thread, if he wins where does he go? He may fight unknowns for a year or 2 then put in with the likes of Bute, Ward, Kessler etc. Too soon to be going for this title it's crazy.

I don't understand it, he's a good ticket seller and is probably making good money defending his British and Commonwealth belts while selling out arenas. It's a way of swerving the euro belt and avoiding Degale but at what cost?

I personally don't see how this is a way of swerving Degale though, this is Groves advancing his career. I believe he should take this risk and if it pays off it shows how far ahead of Degale he is.

Degale needs to win some more fights and earn another shot at Groves. Imagine in a year or twos time if Groves has the title and Degale improves and gets a better record a world title rematch with Groves will be appealing.

I don't believe Groves and Booth would have accepted this fight if they didn't believe they could win it. Groves is a live challenger and needs to move on with his career. Why wait defending against British or European challengers, when you have a world title shot?

I believe he has done the right thing here and I hope he puts on a big performance and wins the title. It would be really good to see IMO. I think Groves should do a defence or two in the UK and with the experience he gains I think he could give Abraham a good fight. Not been too impressed with Abraham during the super 6 and he's not the biggest fighter at 168, I think down the line Groves would have a great chance of beating him.

[armyash]

A loss wont harm him unless he gets destroyed early. Winning this fight would not be the biggest upset, I believe he has a chance but as I said in another thread, if he wins where does he go? He may fight unknowns for a year or 2 then put in with the likes of Bute, Ward, Kessler etc. Too soon to be going for this title it's crazy.

I don't understand it, he's a good ticket seller and is probably making good money defending his British and Commonwealth belts while selling out arenas. It's a way of swerving the euro belt and avoiding Degale but at what cost?

I personally don't see how this is a way of swerving Degale though, this is Groves advancing his career. I believe he should take this risk and if it pays off it shows how far ahead of Degale he is.

Degale needs to win some more fights and earn another shot at Groves. Imagine in a year or twos time if Groves has the title and Degale improves and gets a better record a world title rematch with Groves will be appealing.

I don't believe Groves and Booth would have accepted this fight if they didn't believe they could win it. Groves is a live challenger and needs to move on with his career. Why wait defending against British or European challengers, when you have a world title shot?

I believe he has done the right thing here and I hope he puts on a big performance and wins the title. It would be really good to see IMO. I think Groves should do a defence or two in the UK and with the experience he gains I think he could give Abraham a good fight. Not been too impressed with Abraham during the super 6 and he's not the biggest fighter at 168, I think down the line Groves would have a great chance of beating him.

I didn't mean avoid Degale as in he's too risky, I meant bypassing the euro belt and not giving Degale the opportunity for a rematch. Which is understandable but could be missing out on experience at European level but yes a rematch for the WBO title down the line would be great.

I agree, Booth and Groves would not have took this fight if they didn't believe they could win it, winning this fight is very likely, I think Groves has more than a good chance. My point was having a world title would be a great achievement but it could be a dangerous one. Being a world champ means you can't take 'learning' fights. Hopefully he will win and as galaxy said in his post he will get to make a few easy defences before having to step amongst the elite.

Good reply you make some good points.

[Rantcatrat]

A loss wont harm him unless he gets destroyed early. Winning this fight would not be the biggest upset, I believe he has a chance but as I said in another thread, if he wins where does he go? He may fight unknowns for a year or 2 then put in with the likes of Bute, Ward, Kessler etc. Too soon to be going for this title it's crazy.

I don't understand it, he's a good ticket seller and is probably making good money defending his British and Commonwealth belts while selling out arenas. It's a way of swerving the euro belt and avoiding Degale but at what cost?

I personally don't see how this is a way of swerving Degale though, this is Groves advancing his career. I believe he should take this risk and if it pays off it shows how far ahead of Degale he is.

Degale needs to win some more fights and earn another shot at Groves. Imagine in a year or twos time if Groves has the title and Degale improves and gets a better record a world title rematch with Groves will be appealing.

I don't believe Groves and Booth would have accepted this fight if they didn't believe they could win it. Groves is a live challenger and needs to move on with his career. Why wait defending against British or European challengers, when you have a world title shot?

I believe he has done the right thing here and I hope he puts on a big performance and wins the title. It would be really good to see IMO. I think Groves should do a defence or two in the UK and with the experience he gains I think he could give Abraham a good fight. Not been too impressed with Abraham during the super 6 and he's not the biggest fighter at 168, I think down the line Groves would have a great chance of beating him.

Tam,

Solid post. Groves has potential. He's young and 14-0. If he gets by Stieglitz, why not defend the title against mandatories while he gains some experience? It's not a bad plan in my opinion. Before you know it, he's 20-0 with world experience having honed his craft. Stieglitz is a big test. It's the same Stieglitz that Kessler was considering fighting. Actually, when you think of it that way, you have to give Groves props for stepping up. Fighting a world-level guy at 14-0 is commendable.

It made a big impression on me when I saw Andre Dirrell's black eye on twitter from sparring with Groves. Dirrell then stated that Groves was very good.

[Fenster]

You boys do realise Grove's is promoted by Warren, right? The DeGale rematch can be made at any time they want. If Grove's gets the "world" title, not only can they sell shit defenses but also set-up a much bigger rematch. Warren has the title whoever wins.