Prime jones....

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Why do ppl scoff whenever u match PRIME jones up against anyone? Ppl act like u just suggested the world was actually flat when daring to suggest he would struggle with anyone! Never made sense to me because he was actually quite untested....

Dariusz, Eubank, Liles, Nunn, Calzaghe, Mclellan, Benn, Collins, Rochigianni, Maske, Jirov, Julian Jackson etc

Exceptional fighter yes but clearly a cherry picker. Bryd would have been an interesting fight @ HW rather than Ruiz who was taylor made for a style like jones'...So Sorry but if he had of fought all of the above he would have been beaten sooner IMO. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise no matter how much u idolise him!

[ninjaspy3]

Why do ppl scoff whenever u match PRIME jones up against anyone? Ppl act like u just suggested the world was actually flat when daring to suggest he would struggle with anyone! Never made sense to me because he was actually quite untested....

Dariusz, Eubank, Liles, Nunn, Calzaghe, Mclellan, Benn, Collins, Rochigianni, Maske, Jirov, Julian Jackson etc

Exceptional fighter yes but clearly a cherry picker. Bryd would have been an interesting fight @ HW rather than Ruiz who was taylor made for a style like jones'...So Sorry but if he had of fought all of the above he would have been beaten sooner IMO. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise no matter how much u idolise him!

Being the huge JCC fan you are, I find this thread a bit ironic coming from you. :-)

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Being the huge JCC fan you are, I find this thread a bit ironic coming from you. :-)

I don't think calzaghe was unbeatable! You can find whatever you want ironic im not really interested. Let's just be clear though because u seem to miss-understand what the OP stated. I did not ask u for your opinion on me or JC. Read it again flower.

[El Kabong]

I know we've had our bouts with each other THE PHILOSOPHER, but RJJ in his prime was a once in a lifetime fighter. Perhaps the single most dominant fighter I can think of (in any weight class) that has fought during my lifetime. More dominant than Tyson, more dominant than Lewis, or Holyfield or De la Hoya or Floyd or Calderon or whoever. Roy Jones Jr. didn't just beat opponents he toyed with them, he played with them. Could opponents have pressured him more, landed a lucky shot? Maybe, but we're talking 99 times out of 100 RJJ was as slick as teflon and faster than the speed of light or so it seemed.

Byrd at heavyweight may very well have troubled RJJ, Chris Byrd was a very good fighter, had quick hands of his own and a heck of a chin. But the issue is RJJ wasn't a real heavyweight, he never was so for him to jump up in weight and win a title (albeit a trinket like the WBA that Ruiz held) was quite a feat and honestly I think that should have marked the end of his career.

Michalczweski & Calzaghe weren't going to travel to the US to fight RJJ, neither was Ottke (though he's not mentioned).

McClellan got horribly injured before RJJ could fight him. Had G-Man not been injured who knows?

Steve Collins Come on man! Steve Collins would have been thrashed by RJJ easily. Not because he wasn't a good fighter with great heart, but because he just didn't stack up to RJJ.

Julian Jackson had HUGE power dangerous to anyone, if he caught RJJ it might mean a KO....IF. RJJ's speed and reflexes had a way of shutting up the big bombers of that time, look at the James Toney fight.

Eubank is the bargin bin version of RJJ.

Benn a dangerous dangerous man, but not all that difficult to hit. He was avoided by RJJ due to the result of the McClellan fight, not the stoppage win, but the brain damage. RJJ wouldn't have allowed Benn back into the fight the way G-Man did. When Roy decided he was "done playing" he'd finish you off right quick.

Jirov was a cruiserweight and RJJ had no reason to go up to fight him. I can tell you this much, Jirov was strong and tough but also slow and once again easy to hit.

Maske & Roccigainni were nobodies at the time, powder puff Europeans

Everyone else you listed is a reach. The guys who could trouble, maybe beat Roy Jones Jr. even in his prime are as follows: Bob Foster, Tommy Hearns, Gerald McClellan, Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, and maybe some really old school guys like Tunney, Greb, etc but I doubt the older guys would have anything for Roy's speed & power. Roy Jones Jr is one of a kind, I am not sure we will ever see brilliance of that kind on display for as long as it was ever again.

Calzaghe beat a badly faded RJJ....had they fought Prime for Prime Joe wouldn't have been able to cope with the speed and power RJJ possessed, hell OLD Roy even knocked Calzaghe down in the first round.

[Beanflicker]

I don't see any names on that list that I would HONESTLY pick against prime Roy Jones.

I know Roy tarnish his legacy by holding on 8 years too long, but my god prime Roy is 1 of a kind. I'll take Roy against anyone from 168-175 in the history of the sport. ANYBODY.

[Beanflicker]

Eubank is the bargin bin version of RJJ.

Eubank always gets brought up when people talk about the guys Roy never fought, and I never understood it. And I'm a big fan of Eubank, I think he was a fantastic fighter.

But my god, what about Eubank makes people think he'd beat Roy?

Julian was p4p the best puncher of all time IMO, but would anyone HONESTLY give him anything other than a puncher's chance?

[El Kabong]

Eubank always gets brought up when people talk about the guys Roy never fought, and I never understood it. And I'm a big fan of Eubank, I think he was a fantastic fighter.

But my god, what about Eubank makes people think he'd beat Roy?

Julian was p4p the best puncher of all time IMO, but would anyone HONESTLY give him anything other than a puncher's chance?

Oh no doubt, I didn't mean to pooh pooh Eubank's career, he would have had a competitive fight with Roy, as competitive as anyone else in RJJ's hayday.

The dominance Roy had is best seen in his total domination of James Toney who everybody thought had a great chance to win, but Roy drove the bus to school that night.

[imp]

I know we've had our bouts with each other THE PHILOSOPHER, but RJJ in his prime was a once in a lifetime fighter. Perhaps the single most dominant fighter I can think of (in any weight class) that has fought during my lifetime. More dominant than Tyson, more dominant than Lewis, or Holyfield or De la Hoya or Floyd or Calderon or whoever. Roy Jones Jr. didn't just beat opponents he toyed with them, he played with them. Could opponents have pressured him more, landed a lucky shot? Maybe, but we're talking 99 times out of 100 RJJ was as slick as teflon and faster than the speed of light or so it seemed.

Byrd at heavyweight may very well have troubled RJJ, Chris Byrd was a very good fighter, had quick hands of his own and a heck of a chin. But the issue is RJJ wasn't a real heavyweight, he never was so for him to jump up in weight and win a title (albeit a trinket like the WBA that Ruiz held) was quite a feat and honestly I think that should have marked the end of his career.

Michalczweski & Calzaghe weren't going to travel to the US to fight RJJ, neither was Ottke (though he's not mentioned).

McClellan got horribly injured before RJJ could fight him. Had G-Man not been injured who knows?

Steve Collins Come on man! Steve Collins would have been thrashed by RJJ easily. Not because he wasn't a good fighter with great heart, but because he just didn't stack up to RJJ.

Julian Jackson had HUGE power dangerous to anyone, if he caught RJJ it might mean a KO....IF. RJJ's speed and reflexes had a way of shutting up the big bombers of that time, look at the James Toney fight.

Eubank is the bargin bin version of RJJ.

Benn a dangerous dangerous man, but not all that difficult to hit. He was avoided by RJJ due to the result of the McClellan fight, not the stoppage win, but the brain damage. RJJ wouldn't have allowed Benn back into the fight the way G-Man did. When Roy decided he was "done playing" he'd finish you off right quick.

Jirov was a cruiserweight and RJJ had no reason to go up to fight him. I can tell you this much, Jirov was strong and tough but also slow and once again easy to hit.

Maske & Roccigainni were nobodies at the time, powder puff Europeans

Everyone else you listed is a reach. The guys who could trouble, maybe beat Roy Jones Jr. even in his prime are as follows: Bob Foster, Tommy Hearns, Gerald McClellan, Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, and maybe some really old school guys like Tunney, Greb, etc but I doubt the older guys would have anything for Roy's speed & power. Roy Jones Jr is one of a kind, I am not sure we will ever see brilliance of that kind on display for as long as it was ever again.

Calzaghe beat a badly faded RJJ....had they fought Prime for Prime Joe wouldn't have been able to cope with the speed and power RJJ possessed, hell OLD Roy even knocked Calzaghe down in the first round.

Good response!

Plus, in one of eubank autobiography books he mentions he would never beat roy jones.

[ninjaspy3]

Being the huge JCC fan you are, I find this thread a bit ironic coming from you. :-)

I don't think calzaghe was unbeatable! You can find whatever you want ironic im not really interested. Let's just be clear though because u seem to miss-understand what the OP stated. I did not ask u for your opinion on me or JC. Read it again flower.

The irony is that you say Roy Jones untested and you complain about who he fought, and yet when others make similar accusations against JCC, you say it is wrong.

[DavilaJones]

To be honest Jones was just damn special. Imagine Mayweather but with KO power in either hand, not to be confused with power to hurt but one punch KO power...Imagine Mayweather with that but make him a light heavyweight, just imagine how fast you must be to move in such a big body and do what Jones did. The man was special. So so damn special.

[Hulk]

I know we've had our bouts with each other THE PHILOSOPHER, but RJJ in his prime was a once in a lifetime fighter. Perhaps the single most dominant fighter I can think of (in any weight class) that has fought during my lifetime. More dominant than Tyson, more dominant than Lewis, or Holyfield or De la Hoya or Floyd or Calderon or whoever. Roy Jones Jr. didn't just beat opponents he toyed with them, he played with them. Could opponents have pressured him more, landed a lucky shot? Maybe, but we're talking 99 times out of 100 RJJ was as slick as teflon and faster than the speed of light or so it seemed.

Byrd at heavyweight may very well have troubled RJJ, Chris Byrd was a very good fighter, had quick hands of his own and a heck of a chin. But the issue is RJJ wasn't a real heavyweight, he never was so for him to jump up in weight and win a title (albeit a trinket like the WBA that Ruiz held) was quite a feat and honestly I think that should have marked the end of his career.

Michalczweski & Calzaghe weren't going to travel to the US to fight RJJ, neither was Ottke (though he's not mentioned).

McClellan got horribly injured before RJJ could fight him. Had G-Man not been injured who knows?

Steve Collins Come on man! Steve Collins would have been thrashed by RJJ easily. Not because he wasn't a good fighter with great heart, but because he just didn't stack up to RJJ.

Julian Jackson had HUGE power dangerous to anyone, if he caught RJJ it might mean a KO....IF. RJJ's speed and reflexes had a way of shutting up the big bombers of that time, look at the James Toney fight.

Eubank is the bargin bin version of RJJ.

Benn a dangerous dangerous man, but not all that difficult to hit. He was avoided by RJJ due to the result of the McClellan fight, not the stoppage win, but the brain damage. RJJ wouldn't have allowed Benn back into the fight the way G-Man did. When Roy decided he was "done playing" he'd finish you off right quick.

Jirov was a cruiserweight and RJJ had no reason to go up to fight him. I can tell you this much, Jirov was strong and tough but also slow and once again easy to hit.

Maske & Roccigainni were nobodies at the time, powder puff Europeans

Everyone else you listed is a reach. The guys who could trouble, maybe beat Roy Jones Jr. even in his prime are as follows: Bob Foster, Tommy Hearns, Gerald McClellan, Michael Spinks, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, and maybe some really old school guys like Tunney, Greb, etc but I doubt the older guys would have anything for Roy's speed & power. Roy Jones Jr is one of a kind, I am not sure we will ever see brilliance of that kind on display for as long as it was ever again.

Calzaghe beat a badly faded RJJ....had they fought Prime for Prime Joe wouldn't have been able to cope with the speed and power RJJ possessed, hell OLD Roy even knocked Calzaghe down in the first round.

I believe this is the single most intelligent and greatest post you have ever made Lyle.

Bravo !

The reason people "scoff" at most any fighter beating a prime Roy Jones is because in his prime, Roy Jones Jr. was and still is something boxing has never seen before.

He was a phenom and looked untouchable against world class fighters and future hall of famers and at least one legend in James Toney.

Roy Jones Jr. should be the heavy heavy favorite against any boxer under 200 lbs in history.

[greynotsoold]

Roy Jones gets a lot of credit that he doesn't rate, especially when it comes to matching him historically. His fight with Hopkins is now considered a a 'great' fight, that he 'dominated', when, he actuality, it was a very uneven and disappointing effort on the part of both men. In 1951 it would have been an 8 round prelim. Beating guys like Clinton Woods and Tony Thornton, who was practically one-handed when they fought, and the 37 year old cop, and so on, doesn't make you great.
The idea that he would beat, or even be competitive with guys like Archie Moore, Billy Conn, Eddie Booker, Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson, Burley, Bob Foster, and so many more is laughable. RJJ was tough if you were afraid of him and let him control the distance and do what he wanted to do. Technically, his skill level and his boxing IQ were, and are, minimal, and he never had the heart or the chin for a fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Lets clear one thing up here , Roy had a perfectly good chin , it only let him down as he got older , but more importantly after he had blown up to HW , then boiled himself back to LHW.
This can have a massive effect on some boxers punch resistance and reflexes etc.

As for in his prime im sure he could beat all of those with ease. As for prime Jones v Calzaghe , well Roy would have put him away easily.

[Bobthepen]

Why do ppl scoff whenever u match PRIME jones up against anyone? Ppl act like u just suggested the world was actually flat when daring to suggest he would struggle with anyone! Never made sense to me because he was actually quite untested....

Dariusz, Eubank, Liles, Nunn, Calzaghe, Mclellan, Benn, Collins, Rochigianni, Maske, Jirov, Julian Jackson etc

Exceptional fighter yes but clearly a cherry picker. Bryd would have been an interesting fight @ HW rather than Ruiz who was taylor made for a style like jones'...So Sorry but if he had of fought all of the above he would have been beaten sooner IMO. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise no matter how much u idolise him!

How old are you? I ask because your timings seem to be out a bit. Jackson was on the slide when Jones was jobbed as an amateur in Seoul. Benn, Eubank, Rochigianni, Nunn, McClellan and co were a little too early for Jones. Most were ex world champions by Jones' 25th birthday. Maske was retiring when Jones made his debut at the weight.
He can't win. He gets slated for facing a past it McCallum, but slated for not facing other faded ex champs.

[Bobthepen]

Why do ppl scoff whenever u match PRIME jones up against anyone? Ppl act like u just suggested the world was actually flat when daring to suggest he would struggle with anyone! Never made sense to me because he was actually quite untested....

Dariusz, Eubank, Liles, Nunn, Calzaghe, Mclellan, Benn, Collins, Rochigianni, Maske, Jirov, Julian Jackson etc

Exceptional fighter yes but clearly a cherry picker. Bryd would have been an interesting fight @ HW rather than Ruiz who was taylor made for a style like jones'...So Sorry but if he had of fought all of the above he would have been beaten sooner IMO. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise no matter how much u idolise him!

How old are you? I ask because your timings seem to be out a bit. Jackson was on the slide when Jones was jobbed as an amateur in Seoul. Benn, Eubank, Rochigianni, Nunn, McClellan and co were a little too early for Jones. Most were ex world champions by Jones' 25th birthday. Maske was retiring when Jones made his debut at the weight.
He can't win. He gets slated for facing a past it McCallum, but slated for not facing other faded ex champs.