THAT, was NOT "Boxing"- Klitchsko vs. Povetkin.

[ykdadamaja]

Did you guys see that fight? Atrocious!!! Disgraceful show and a huge waste of money. In the first five rounds, Wlad clenched more than John Ruiz clenched in his last 20 fights. Absolute nonsense.

Any other fighter would have been penalized and disqualified. Povetkin could do nothing with that BS. Absolute trash. And, I am happy the analysts are all over the place saying thee same thing!!

Sad he is still the champion, Wlad is. What a total disgrace!!

[ykdadamaja]

If Wlad were to put his hands around my neck like that repeatedly with no warning, I would be forced to spin him and hit him REALLY low or right below the belt line. Uncalled for and totally unacceptable!

[Master]

My son thought it was a wrestling match, he loves WWE.

[Hulk]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

[Master]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

I was impressed with Povetkins agrression which I have not appreaciated before. Wlad certainly landed some hard jabs and left hooks and the holding exhausted Povetkin but he still came forward and did not give up. He is the second best heavyweight out there?

[Hulk]

Povetkin had a fire lit under him like I haven't seen from him before.

Ring had him rated as the #2 heavyweight, but I don't believe it.

Stirvene, Arreola and Chisora would push Wlad more.

I hope Wilder can defeat Wlad in a year or 18 months. Has to step up the competition first n show a chin.

[El Kabong]

If Wlad were to put his hands around my neck like that repeatedly with no warning, I would be forced to spin him and hit him REALLY low or right below the belt line. Uncalled for and totally unacceptable!

Uh huh you'd get smacked down like a little bitch

[Beanflicker]

Simply put, they need to put a ref in there that will take control of a Klitschko fight. The holding and greco roman wrestling he uses belongs in the UFC, not in boxing. UFC legend Randy Couture would do the same thing in MMA: grab guys, lean on them, and sap their energy. If Klitschko wants to do that maybe he should go over to the UFC.

I'm one of the few on here who actually is a big fan of the Klitschko's and really enjoys their tactical approach to HW fighting. They are both master technicians in the ring, but the excessive holding is getting rediculous.

[erics44]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

absolutely yes

there is no doubt in my mind that klit would have lost his title long ago if he was made to fight within the rules

no doubt at all

if the ref started warning klit from the first round when he should have and stopping him holding, provetkin would have got to him

[bzkfn]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

[TheMacMagician]

By the mid rounds, I thought the holding and headlocks were plain embarrassing. I was amazed to see Wlad take to the top rope at the end of the fight like he was overjoyed and proud of that performance. Not sure I've ever seen as much holding like that in a fight before, even from Hatton or Berto.

[erics44]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

[bzkfn]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

Not a chance. Povetkin isn't some monster puncher. Wlad was hurting him with every shot. The holding & leaning is bullshit but don't pretend like Wladimir isn't the best Heavyweight in the world. He is leagues above guys like Povetkin. He doesn't just win every fight because of holding. His footwork, stiff jab and powerful right cross have alot to do with it. I hate watching him fight, but I respect his skill set. Blame the referee for not stopping the fouls.

[erics44]

Sure was an ugly fight. You guys think the result would have been any different without the holding? I do not as Povetkin just doesn't have the tools to beat Wlad. He def would have been more competitive though.

No. But the point is we want to see fair fights and it is bullshit if one fighter gets away with that much fouling. Wlad is a great fighter, but that shit isn't needed. Povetkin was already up against it as Wlad is a completely different class, no need to hold that much.

this gives wlad far too much credit

people say its not the holding that makes him good when in fact it is the holding that makes him good, his whole strategy is based on holding and its not in the rules

if made to fight within the rules we would have a different champion right now

Not a chance. Povetkin isn't some monster puncher. Wlad was hurting him with every shot. The holding & leaning is bullshit but don't pretend like Wladimir isn't the best Heavyweight in the world. He is leagues above guys like Povetkin. He doesn't just win every fight because of holding. His footwork, stiff jab and powerful right cross have alot to do with it. I hate watching him fight, but I respect his skill set. Blame the referee for not stopping the fouls.

right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

[bzkfn]

right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

I see what you're saying and I used to argue it myself, but I think using the Povetkin fight is a bad example. With or without it, Povetkin had nothing to offer Klitschko in terms of an even fight. He's not on his level.

I think the Haye fight would have been much more interesting if he wasn't allowed to lean & hold but alot of fighters use dirty tactics. I've learnt that Boxing is about what you can get away with in a Boxing ring. Hatton used to hold and maul fighters and it was bending the rules. Really, if the referee is doing nothing about it then my advice to foul him right back. The sport couldn't be dirtier anyway. Broner kicked Malignaggi in the balls this year for fucks sake. Watch Bradley try and headbutt his way to another decision on Saturday. Until something is done to govern the sport correctly, "name" fighters will go unpunished, shady judges will get away with handing out dodgy decisions and the same referee who did nothing about blatent fouling will go out and do the same job next week.

Wlad is highly skilled. He wins his fights. I think he's proven he's the best out there. If he's fouling, it is up to the referee to stop him. Otherwise, it's fair game.