HA!

[Andre]

Get past this guys voice and he is actually onto something real.

[Andre]

And this poor bastard is forced to fight for his constitutional rights too.
I think your government has lost the plot going after the wrong people like this.

[brocktonblockbust]

I hesistate to agree as I will be labeled a crackpot conspiracy theorist by certain individuals.

[generalbulldog]

The US govt. has lost the plot for years. If I remember correctly, members here like Lyle and Victorcharlie aren't for big government and neither am I. A lot of crap is just horrible and overbearing, that's what happens when you relinquish too much power to the govt. either at state or federal level.

[Beanz]

The State is often a clumsy and badly made tool that proves again and again it is not fit for purpose. When power is in the hands of so few it can not help but corrupt and seek to perpetuate the status quo. People are afraid of being people today and guys like the ones above will be continue to be trampled on if we ignore the misuse of power and an important resource will be lost.

[Gandalf]

William Burroughs - "Democracy is cancerous, and bureaus are its cancer. A bureau takes root anywhere in the state, turns malignant like the Narcotics Bureau, and grows and grows, always reproducing more of its own kind, until it chokes the host if not controlled or excised....Bureaus die when the structure of the state collapses."

What we are witnessing in the case of America is something quite terrifying and way out of control. Numerous states are now passing laws making it criminal to feed homeless people and now people with next to nothing are being told they cannot live on the land which is ultimately all anyone has to fall back on when times become unbearable. A few weeks ago the police shot dead an old man living rough in the mountains and for seemingly no reason other than him living rough. This type of scenario seems to be all too common and the state is now illegitimate. It is waging war on its own citizens from the homeless up to anyone without the wealth to buy elections of get in at the bureau trough.

Edit: Also, I really enjoyed that final video. Mr Conway seems like a really interesting man and I find people who want to be independent and free really fascinating. For me, I find my politics drawing to two extremes. On the one hand, I think the state is needed in key necessities and countries like the UK could use greater nationalisation as people are being abused financially, but on the other hand there are aspects of the state that are clearly demented such as the secret services and bailing out banking buddies. The state should only exist to be supporting the ordinary people and anything beyond that is sinister and needs to go. They are self serving departments that are not protecting the nation, but are largely protecting the elite criminals and trying to keep budgets so they can grow their cancers. That sinister aspect is where I find myself being drawn to increasingly small government and individual independence of the state. For instance, I don't think I could live under a British system of rule ever again. I don't say that bitterly, but merely because I don't think that system is legitimate. If I could see the greater good of the system, then I am drawn to that, but if it isn't being used for the greater good and is a system of oppression then you have to reject it. I am a socialist, but am not so when it's a tool to keep most poor and a few very well off and them with the tools of state alone. It's wrong and that is why I think the Queen is shameful. She hobnobs with dictators and seldom stands up for the moral point of view. Tell Blair to bugger off, tell fat Dave to bugger off to Syria. I am all for people living in the countryside on the land and yet the government can come along at any time with any one of their departments and kick you off. 'Oi bumpkin, this is Her Majesty's and fracking is our business. Feck off'. It's not legitimate and certainly not in a country like the UK which has been conned with a phony coalition or in America where elections are bought by corporations. These systems are frauds. It isn't an attack on them alone, I would expand it to many countries including China and numerous dictatorships too many to mention. These government are against their people and that means they have no basis to exist and that is why a police state is needed as they know it through and through.

[generalbulldog]

William Burroughs - "Democracy is cancerous, and bureaus are its cancer. A bureau takes root anywhere in the state, turns malignant like the Narcotics Bureau, and grows and grows, always reproducing more of its own kind, until it chokes the host if not controlled or excised....Bureaus die when the structure of the state collapses."

What we are witnessing in the case of America is something quite terrifying and way out of control. Numerous states are now passing laws making it criminal to feed homeless people and now people with next to nothing are being told they cannot live on the land which is ultimately all anyone has to fall back on when times become unbearable. A few weeks ago the police shot dead an old man living rough in the mountains and for seemingly no reason other than him living rough. This type of scenario seems to be all too common and the state is now illegitimate. It is waging war on its own citizens from the homeless up to anyone without the wealth to buy elections of get in at the bureau trough.

Now, do you get it? Why do you think certain posters here like myself and Victor Charlie are against the Federal and State govt. in taking away our rights to bear arms? It's not for hunting, I can tell you that. It's for a last resort that the average American can take up arms against a government that is becoming tyrannical each day. That's the reason why many Americans do not want to give up the 2nd amendment. The 1st amendment has already been severely compromised, and the 2nd amendment is under assault from the govt.

[Gandalf]

William Burroughs - "Democracy is cancerous, and bureaus are its cancer. A bureau takes root anywhere in the state, turns malignant like the Narcotics Bureau, and grows and grows, always reproducing more of its own kind, until it chokes the host if not controlled or excised....Bureaus die when the structure of the state collapses."

What we are witnessing in the case of America is something quite terrifying and way out of control. Numerous states are now passing laws making it criminal to feed homeless people and now people with next to nothing are being told they cannot live on the land which is ultimately all anyone has to fall back on when times become unbearable. A few weeks ago the police shot dead an old man living rough in the mountains and for seemingly no reason other than him living rough. This type of scenario seems to be all too common and the state is now illegitimate. It is waging war on its own citizens from the homeless up to anyone without the wealth to buy elections of get in at the bureau trough.

Now, do you get it? Why do you think certain posters here like myself and Victor Charlie are against the Federal and State govt. in taking away our rights to bear arms? It's not for hunting, I can tell you that. It's for a last resort that the average American can take up arms against a government that is becoming tyrannical each day. That's the reason why many Americans do not want to give up the 2nd amendment. The 1st amendment has already been severely compromised, and the 2nd amendment is under assault from the govt.

I've understood it for several years now. I touched on it a little in my edit in the last post, but I will clarify it a little further. I really believe that a country is enhanced with the nationalisation of key utilities. The UK for instance would have cheaper energy, public transportation, and housing amongst others if these things had not been sold off to external interests that in the long run could only do harm to the average person. I believe that a redistributive taxation system is good for society. I believe the state can and should provide a solid health and education system. However, and this is where I have been changing, the state that did, and was trying to exist, largely before I was born, has been dismantled, and broken up. Taxes are as high as ever, but everything has been sold off including the mail service last year at half its proper value. Big corporations and the rich are not paying taxes and so the system is a fraud designed to attack the middle man that doesn't have clever accountants. It is therefore corrupt and people should resist.

The state with brilliant values as espoused by the likes of Tony Benn is gone. Instead of cheap housing, energy etc, we have cancerous departments run for banks and government friends, unchecked immigration, out of control spooks, rampant cronyism, political correctness it just goes on and on. I then contrast it to how I live outside of that system, and though just a teacher, at least I feel somewhat free. I see that when a government isn't big, I don't need to pay so much in tax. It means freedom for others too and self responsibility. It means instead of people turning to the state that people can help each other. People cannot rely on a government system that relies on permanently growing as it does become rotten when banks own the system and eventually people are not going to get anything from it and so it will have to die. As I say, if that government system was trying to help society, then I am for it, but as these huge government systems are, I think they are vampiric and self serving. There is no pretense at real socialism to enhance society and taxes are massive. Just by going to a supermarket the Brits are spending 12.5% more than me and that goes where exactly? Wars, banks, and cronyism (fracking, fat Dave's bankrupt business chums etc).

I appreciate reading some of the views of others as I have been evolving somewhat politically too. For me, I am not completely sold on the libertarian point of view, but in a system of tyranny, I think you have to resist a system that is illegitimate. I like people like VC and despite my vitriol against the US government, I think there are swathes of good people in America, and I am on their side. I think we are in tumultuous times and I don't like what is coming at all. It is terrifying. I think in times like these people who want to do good just have to join and put ideological differences to the side and face it. We all agree that victimising independent people who want to live in nature is nonsense. I think, right or left, we are sick of the wars too. They cannot pull the wool over the eyes any longer.

[Gandalf]

Just a quick addition. I think for maybe two years now I have been in favour of guns owned by citizens. It's a position I changed on, but it's one I have maintained since. Listening to people like VC, Lyle and Killersheep and also plenty of personal reading let me see that I was being too naive. My target was always correct, but my knowledge of resistance was lacking. I now like guns. I even tried on some military fatigues whilst on holiday and shot some guns in the arcade. I'm well into guns.

(All true by the way. I don't make these things up. However, despite my immaculate shooting the arcade was clearly doctored)

[Andre]

I hesistate to agree as I will be labeled a crackpot conspiracy theorist by certain individuals.

We are all friends here, pull up a toad stool take your tin hat off and relax.

[Spicoli]

Its a shame that no matter how far you remove yourself from the grid and prove self sufficient the long arm of bureaucracy and boot to neck government will make themselves a part of your life. I'm pretty sure "Mountain Men" is still on the air for its 3rd season and its a fascinating look at Eustace and a few other families. They have gone after him for tax evasion, fire arms violations, put liens on property among others and clearly there is a driven effort to play watchdog. They want a literal piece of what you have, a cut. The Federal government conducts itself with a gangland mentality and more often now it feels as though we are unwitting members who's biggest mistake and offense in their eyes is to turns ones back and insist and live a self sufficient life with only one desire of them..leave us the fuck alone!