Barrera: Marquez...After reflection who do you think won?

[Gandalf]

I watched this fight again for the first time in a good while last night. A quality fight with 2 of the best fighters in the game. Barrera looked technical but was ready to unload when called for.

I scored it as follows

1-Barrera 10-9
2-Barrera 20-18
3-Barrera 30-27
4-Marquez 39-37
5-Even 49-47
6-Barrera 59-56
7-Marquez 67-66 (10-8 Marquez but I still have issues with the point deduction and the uncalled kd)

8- Barrera 77-75
9-Barrera 87-84
10- Marquez 96-94
11- Barrera 106-103
12- Even 116-113

I have it Barrera by 3 points. A quality fight and in terms of technical boxing mixed with hard power shots landed and the sheer intensity of it all...its my fight of the year so far!!

How do you guys see this fight in retrospect?















Note: Can certain Pac fans please abstain from deviating the intentions of this thread as they have too many other Barrera threads. Thank you!!

[leftylee]

yeh I had barrera by 2 points

[Gandalf]

yeh I had barrera by 2 points

If the knock down had been scored then IMO its a very clear victory. A couple of those rounds I really couldnt divide them. Real score for score rounds. Admittedly the even rounds could see me being biased in favour of Barrera but I really tried to stay straight in my scoring. Even if those rounds go go Marquez then it is a Barrera win regardless and thats me as pro Marquez as it is possible to go.

Barrera really is far from washed up.

[Gandalf]

And the nature of the actual scoring of that fight was an absolute disgrace.

[Kev]

I actually can't remember now but I think I will try and find time to watch it again over the weekend.

[Gandalf]

I actually can't remember now but I think I will try and find time to watch it again over the weekend.

I read a couple of mentions on another thread of it possibly being a highlight of the year. I remembered loving the fight and went back to watch it. Usually with hindsight you realise some errors in your scoring, but I realise that Barrera did just as well as I thought and that he is once again being underestimated by some now...

Barrera still has it!

[ICB]

I remember having Barrera slighty ahead but remember Miles even if knockdown would of been scored Barrera would of only won the round by 1 point because Marquez dominated the round up until that point.

[zhubin]

Fight of the year in my opinion. Two superb technical boxers who also can mix it up. Barrera was ultra sharp in the beginning, but Marquez settled down in later rounds. I still think the scoring was a complete joke. I had it a draw at the very LEAST. As far as Barrera...i have no idea how anyone can think he is "washed up" after watching this fight. Sure, he is not in his prime....but he is such fantastic, intelligent boxer. Even in the round that Marquez had him in serious trouble...Marco should his heart and brilliance with the knockdown shot. What people really tend to forget is that the one fight Barrera has really wanted in the past few years has been the Pac fight. I think that's the one fight that would truly bring out his fire. He never really wanted to fight Juarez...especially since he was preparing originally to go to 135 to face Chavez. And i really think he would have rather faced Pac in the last year rather than Marquez. But obviously that fight couldn't be made until now. He faced a strong up and comer in Juarez....and he went to war with him in the first fight...and completely out boxed him in the second fight. He then fought one of the best fighters in the game in Marquez. Now he is fighting one of the most exciting and dangerous fighters in Pac. The man deserves major props for finishing his brilliant career by taking fights like this. Does he have enough in the tank to beat Manny? Not sure. Technically he is as sharp as ever. Stamina, however, will be the big question. If he can come into this fight in tremendous shape...he has the skills and intelligence to beat Pac. I think it will be a much closer fight than many are expecting.

[Gandalf]

I remember having Barrera slighty ahead but remember Miles even if knockdown would of been scored Barrera would of only won the round by 1 point because Marquez dominated the round up until that point.

Yes, but the round was scored 10-8 including the point deduction. So reverse a 2 point deficit with a round supporting Barrera by 1 and IMO you have a pretty clear Barrera win!

[Gandalf]

Fight of the year in my opinion. Two superb technical boxers who also can mix it up. Barrera was ultra sharp in the beginning, but Marquez settled down in later rounds. I still think the scoring was a complete joke. I had it a draw at the very LEAST. As far as Barrera...i have no idea how anyone can think he is "washed up" after watching this fight. Sure, he is not in his prime....but he is such fantastic, intelligent boxer. Even in the round that Marquez had him in serious trouble...Marco should his heart and brilliance with the knockdown shot. What people really tend to forget is that the one fight Barrera has really wanted in the past few years has been the Pac fight. I think that's the one fight that would truly bring out his fire. He never really wanted to fight Juarez...especially since he was preparing originally to go to 135 to face Chavez. And i really think he would have rather face Pac in the last year rather than Marquez. But obviously that fight couldn't be made until now. he faced a strong up and comer in Juarez....and he went to war with him in the first fight...and completely out boxed him in the second fight. He then fought one of the best fighters in the game in Marquez. Now he is fighting one of the most exciting and dangerous fighters in Pac. The man deserves major props for finishing his brilliant career by taking fights like this. Does he have enough in the tank to beat Manny? Not sure. Technically he is as sharp as ever. Stamina, however, will be the big question. If he can come into this fight in tremendous shape...he has the skills and intelligence to beat Pac. I think it will be a much closer fight than many are expecting.

AAAARGHH!!! You brought Pac into the discussion!!!

But you made some excellent points so

I agree completely that the Pac fight will be much closer than many are anticipating. I cannot wait. We have some great fights coming up later this year and this has to be one of my favorites.

[Gandalf]

And why are the Marquez voters abstaining from discussion completely? I would really like to hear their opinions too. It was a quality fight, Im sure some would make a claim for Marquez winning. I would like them to back it up though.

[Gandalf]

The poll now shows an even spread and yet no Marquez winners have stepped forward at all.

Is this a closed topic then, people? Barrera did in fact beat Marquez and quite handily....

Marquez fans deserved to be ashamed of themselves!!!

[zhubin]

Haha! I'm sure we will hear from the Marquez fans soon enough Miles...and probably the Pac fans too

[Gandalf]

Haha! I'm sure we will hear from the Marquez fans soon enough Miles...and probably the Pac fans too

The Marquez fans are welcome....but those Pac ones should refer to the opening posting. I dont want that shit here. That deserves its time and place.

[El Gamo]

No offence Miles but JMM fans are'nt posting because they all saw who won and it's been recorded who won,JMM.The first time,I had it close because I had the commentary on and was sucked into the bias. The second,third and fourth times,I had JMM by wider margins. Try listening to the fight without the bias bordering on cocksucking commentary(ie JMM landin clean punches and the punch visibly landing and MAB supposedly "rolled" it) by Lampley and Steward for MAB and you'll see who won.

Also,all of front row,and nearly all big sites had JMM by 4/5 points,I posted the scores myself,straight after the fight.Max boxing, fightnews, Eastside,BoxingTalk all had wide margins for JMM.