(prime) Tszyu v Pac @ 140lbs

[Themantonio]

Hey guys, Im new to this (obviously) so forgive me is this thread had already been posted at some stage.

With all this talk about Pac at Welter, just wanting to know who you guys think would win in a fight between these two at 140 lbs, how and why?

[The_Infinite]

This has already been discussed before when Pac beat Hatton. But maybe there has been a change of mind after the Cotto fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

[Snakey]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

Kostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.

[Themantonio]

Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? .[/quote]

Yeh that's what I was thinking, and Tszyu was no slouch at 140lbs, arguably even a kingpin at that weight at some stage. Hence my wondering of how Pac would go against him.

[rjj tszyu]

I really don't know on this one, I'd like to say Tszyu, but I don't know!

[eagle]

The obvious answer is Pac after his recent victories, but Kostya would have a punchers chance. If KT could use his timing to catch Pac early he could get on top but the longer the fight went without that happening the more it'd go in Manny's favour.

[blegit]

Man, that would fight would be explosive. This is a knockout for sure. I would lean towards Pac but you can't let Tszyu hit you square because anyone of those overhand rights could put a 154 pounder out. So I would bet on Pac but I wouldn't be surprised if Tszyu took him out.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

YAY!! Another Pac thread. I'm so happy I could cry

[Snakey]

YAY!! Another Pac thread. I'm so happy I could cry

It ok missy your not that old













































Oh you meant about the pac thread

[zhubin]

Well...at this point...does it really matter what kind of hypothetical fight we put Pac in...some people on this board probably think he could beat Roy Jones or maybe even Mike Tyson. Anyways, back to the original topic. This would have been a great fight. Tszyu did great against boxers...not as good against pressure fighters. That being said...Tszyu, in my humble opinion, is as good as any 140 pounder to ever fight. He had fantastic skills, incredible timing, and of course...KO power. Pac for all of his improvements...still gets hit a ton. That, and the fact that Tszyu was great against lefties...i would have Kotsya as the favorite. One of my personal dream match ups would have been Tszyu vs. Mayweather.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

YAY!! Another Pac thread. I'm so happy I could cry

It ok missy your not that old













































Oh you meant about the pac thread

nah, that would be I'm so happy you can't knock the grin off my face.

I re-name you strikeout.

[Tysonbruno]

I would lean towards Kostya by Ko early but i wouldn't count Pac out for a late stoppage but overall im going with Kostya

[TheBranMan]

Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.

Kostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.

Very true, good point about knocking out many fast southpaws. Kostya was an ATG in my opinion. It's a pitty he went to England to fight Hatton where he lost a wresting match complete with elbows and all. Even that old Kostya could've beaten the 'hitman' in a fair boxing match.

[J_Undisputed]

Real difficult fight to predict 10 out of 10 times. Tszyu has lots of pop and he knew he wasn't that fast so he worked on his timing counter punching and always tried to exploit his opponents mistakes. Theres no doubt, he'd have a plan against Manny.
Manny on the other hand, has speed and power and better movement than Kostya and would probably be one of the few guys that wasn't dwarfed by Tszyu in terms of power. Hes also got a good trainer that would no doubt have a plan to exploit some mistakes by Tszyu.

I'd be leaning towards Manny at this point, because i dont know if Tszyu had every faced that kind of offensive pressure and speed at the same time. Judah did well early in the first using his speed before Tszyu turned him into jelly. Hatton's pressure and swarming over a whole fight took its toll on Tszyu even if you discount the punches to the cup every few rounds. Manny seems to be able to take a decent shot and unless Tszyu drops Manny with one shot and lays him out, i would put my money on Freddie changing the plan and turning it into a whole different fight. I think the odds are with Manny, but if he deviated from the plan to test Tszyus power like he did with Cotto, it could've be the biggest mistake he ever made.