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    Default Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Taken from another site.

    Manny Pacquaio has been hammered from all sides with folks insinuating and coming right out with the contention that they think he's been cheating, that he's been using illegal performance enhancers to give him an edge in competition. Floyd Mayweather Sr, Paulie Malignaggi, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron have either accused Manny, or insinuated that he's been using PEDs. One has to wonder, where's all this smoke coming from? Is it possible that there's fire lurking? That these folks aren't just lobbing unfounded barbs at Manny, that their allegations and hints aren't just sour grapes, or posturing, or a ploy to lure Manny into a fight?

    By and large, there hasn't been much in the way of coverage from the standpoint of: what if Manny is using PEDs, or was using PEDs? I think that is rightly so; I'd be more comfortable if none of us trafficked in the innuendo and speculation, and worked within the realm of evidence, and facts. But it's out there, and a topic of conversation and speculation. Perhaps it's a symptom and sign of the times we live in...

    TSS reached out to Malignaggi, just off a solid win in his Dec. 12 rematch with Juan Diaz. The Brooklyn-based pugilist has never been shy about speaking his peace (I picture him exiting his mom's womb and barking at the labor and delivery crew to get the room cleaned up, stat!), and he shared with TSS what he bases his allegations, which he's careful to label opinion, upon.

    First off, Malignaggi is of the belief that if the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations are at a fatal impasse, Yuri Foreman, and not he, will get the coveted date with Pacquiao. Malignaggi has been mentioned as stand-in for Mayweather.

    He started off by insisting that " I have nothing against Pacquiao" but then went from mellow to madman in a 30 second span.

    First off, the boxer wonders why Team Pacquiao isn't going after big-time newspapers, with deep pocketed owners, for libel, for insinuating that Pacquiao is drug cheat.

    "If Pacquiao's so sue happy, why not sue the New York Daily News?" he asked. "Maybe they know the steroid allegations are true."

    By and large, Malignaggi thinks it is impossible, utterly impossible, for a boxer to put on 15 or more pounds between March 15, 2008, when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed 129 pounds at the weigh in, and Nov. 14, 2009 when he fought Miguel Cotto and was 144 pounds at the weigh in, and more on fight night.

    "It's not natural looking," Malignaggi said. But, I countered, what if Manny's supremely blessed, that unlike some other fighters who go up in weight, and look a bit bloated, and lack definition, he's just a special creature?

    "He's not supremely blessed," Maliganngi said. "I know body builders. They can't put on 17 or whatever pounds of muscle in a year. It's not doable, in my opinion. These are my speculations, my opinions based on certain factual evidence. Does his weight gain look normal to you? And his head looks like it has blown up in size, too."

    I offered to Malignaggi that perhaps we should be attacking the system, if we believe it to be lacking, rather than the individual.

    "We can blame the system a little bit, but if you were Manny, wouldn't you want to leave no doubt? Or speculation?" said Maliganngi, who believes that by not agreeing to the terms set forth by Team Mayweather, and opposing a blood test within 30 days of the bout, Pacquaio appears guilty.

    Pacquiao has agreed to take 3 blood tests: the first during the week of the kickoff news conference in early January, the second random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight, and a final test after the bout. A video making the rounds from the HBO 24/7 series shows Pacquiao submitting to a blood test two or three weeks before he was due to fight Ricky Hatton, and that has cast doubt on Team Pacquiao's stance that Manny is disinclined to get a blood test too close to a bout, for fear he may be weakened. Originally, it was reported in error that that test was taken 14 days before the Hatton bout, but subsequent reports pegged the test as being taken 24 days before the scrap. Malignaggi feels Pacquiao has been caught lying, that the report from Team Pacquiao that he "has difficulty taking blood" is a cover story. "Why is he effing lying?" Malignaggi said, heatedly.

    The New Yorker doesn't believe too many fighters in the lighter weight classes are using PEDs, but thinks usage isn't uncommon in the heavyweight division. "That's hard to do and make weight," he said.

    The question is asked of Malignaggi: why does the issue make him so steamed?

    "I don't like cheaters," he said. "This is not baseball. You're not just hitting home runs. You have to worry about peoples' lives. Miguel Cotto in my opinion has been beaten by two cheaters. Manny if he's cheating is taking away from guys who are doing things the right way. His team is reneging on their words."

    And what if you're wrong, Malignaggi? What if Manny is clean, and you are hurting his rep with these allegations?

    "I bet everything I own that I'm not," he said. "But we'll never find out. Hey, I would take the test in a heartbeat. I would want people to know I'm clean. He wants to leave doubts!?? His entire legacy is being questioned, he's willing to hurt his legacy and leave $40 million on the table?"

    Maliganngi, after reminding TSS that he was correct in predicting he'd be gamed by judges in the first fight with Diaz, insisted that he isn't singling out Pacquiao for a personal vendetta. ""I've never had anything against him. But that's enough now. I call it like I see it."

    What about those who'd say he's just trying to anger Pacquiao, to lure him into a fight?

    "No. I expected he'd take the random tests to get this fight. No way I thought he'd throw away everything. That blew me away. It was cool to have my name mentioned."

    Malignaggi thinks the boxing media has dropped the ball, and not exercised due diligence in examining the possibility that Manny has used PEDs.

    "I understand most people like Manny, and not Floyd. Just cause that's the case doesn't mean Manny might not be cheating. It's nothing to do with him personally. But I call a spade a spade. Too many people avoid the possibilities because Manny's a likable person. He's got that front, his country loves him. That front works like crazy. Floyd plays the bad guy, but he's natural. Just don't downplay the fact that Manny might be cheating. You have to open your eyes and at least be willing to look at it. This is bigger than me. The fact that the fight is not being made, you have to question the integrity of Pacquiao."

    Malignaggi then offered an analogy to the Manny-refusing-to-be-subjected-to multiple-random-drug-tests prior-to-a-fight-with-Mayweather deal. "It reminds me of the drunk guy who's pulled over at 3 AM. He has a field sobriety test, the cop knows he's drunk, he looks and acts drunk. But he refuses a breathalyzer test. That don't mean the cop don't haul him to the police station."

    I reiterate...I don't think anyone should be casting aspersions based on circumstantial evidence. But with so many people ganging up on Manny, I think fight fans are owed some details on why people are accusing Pacman of using PEDs.

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    excellent find...

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Malignaggi should also be summoned too.

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    and Floyd Sr months ago... when he made the allegations.

    But for some reason he's only going after people now and only people who want him to take random tests.

    He doesn't give a shit about the allegations and therefore the defamation of character he is suing over... if he did then why only go after Senior now? He accused Pac like 6 months ago or something...

    Why is he only going after the people who want legitimate testing in this place for a bout?

    I'm becoming increasingly convinced that these tests have backed him into a corner and gotten under his skin (for some odd reason), take the tests, come out clean and still perform as well...

    Surely that would get back at them? Why isn't Manny... a guy who says he lets his fist do the talking not doing so?

    Why is a supposedly humble guy, idolised by the people of the philippines who are enduring poverty and bereavement after the tsunami turning down $40m over a few table spoons of blood?

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Fair play to Paulie, hes keeping the weight on Many to come clean and agree to random blood tests, he may have talked himself out of a big payday but even he admits it would have been a long shot anyway.

    If it is adown to Alex Ariza, you also have to question that Kahn could also be taking it, hes just gone up in weight as well

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Quote Originally Posted by piye View Post
    Taken from another site.

    Manny Pacquaio has been hammered from all sides with folks insinuating and coming right out with the contention that they think he's been cheating, that he's been using illegal performance enhancers to give him an edge in competition. Floyd Mayweather Sr, Paulie Malignaggi, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron have either accused Manny, or insinuated that he's been using PEDs. .


    Really, Cotto has come out and said sumthing too?! Is there somewhere I can see this documented?

    I was actually wondering if any of Pac's old foes have come out with their opinions? I know Pac and Morales established a pretty good freindship after their trilogy, has he come out and said something, maybe even defended Pac?

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Quote Originally Posted by Themantonio View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piye View Post
    Taken from another site.

    Manny Pacquaio has been hammered from all sides with folks insinuating and coming right out with the contention that they think he's been cheating, that he's been using illegal performance enhancers to give him an edge in competition. Floyd Mayweather Sr, Paulie Malignaggi, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron have either accused Manny, or insinuated that he's been using PEDs. .


    Really, Cotto has come out and said sumthing too?! Is there somewhere I can see this documented?

    I was actually wondering if any of Pac's old foes have come out with their opinions? I know Pac and Morales established a pretty good freindship after their trilogy, has he come out and said something, maybe even defended Pac?
    Cotto surprised by Pacquiao | Boxing News

    All Cotto said was "I am in complete awe with Manny’s reaction to this matter. He has always been a great athlete and a gentleman. Why in the world would he require restrictions or conditions for the tests? It is a golden opportunity for him to dissipate all worldwide rumors surrounding his figure and the use of enhancement drugs. His refusal to commit to the tests without conditions raises questions. Olympic type drug testing is the most efficient tool for the sport to secure fair play. My recommendation to all boxing authorities in the world is to implement it across the board. I would agree to it without hesitation or reservations. It is the only way to ensure that the outcome of a bout is the strict result of conditioning and ability. To magnify your talent with drugs is repulsive,"
    For every story told that divides us, I believe there are a thousand untold that unite us.

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Good on Paulie for coming and saying it exactly as it is. Malignaggi has his critics, but I like the fact that he is able to speak his mind more so than most other fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Good on Paulie for coming and saying it exactly as it is. Malignaggi has his critics, but I like the fact that he is able to speak his mind more so than most other fighters.
    Completely agree and that is why I am such a fan of his even prior to all this Pac stuff. Yea he has a loud mouth, but he is humble and usually speaks the truth. Just can be a bit abrasive or come off like an asshole to some that aren't use to that.
    McGirt recalling the minute break between the 9th round of the Ward fight "He said, 'Help me stand up and I'll finish the fight.'"

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Themantonio View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piye View Post
    Taken from another site.


    Really, Cotto has come out and said sumthing too?! Is there somewhere I can see this documented?

    I was actually wondering if any of Pac's old foes have come out with their opinions? I know Pac and Morales established a pretty good freindship after their trilogy, has he come out and said something, maybe even defended Pac?
    Cotto surprised by Pacquiao | Boxing News

    All Cotto said was "I am in complete awe with Manny’s reaction to this matter. He has always been a great athlete and a gentleman. Why in the world would he require restrictions or conditions for the tests? It is a golden opportunity for him to dissipate all worldwide rumors surrounding his figure and the use of enhancement drugs. His refusal to commit to the tests without conditions raises questions. Olympic type drug testing is the most efficient tool for the sport to secure fair play. My recommendation to all boxing authorities in the world is to implement it across the board. I would agree to it without hesitation or reservations. It is the only way to ensure that the outcome of a bout is the strict result of conditioning and ability. To magnify your talent with drugs is repulsive,"

    Thanks for the reply dude, appreciate it!!!

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Malignaggi's an Ass****.

    He knows he won't get the fight because all issues are just to hype the PAC- GAyweather fight.

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    Why is anything Mallinaggi say's even relevant, he's second rate, and I dont see any chance of him getting a shot at Pacquiao so he can just save all of his trash talking for one of his second rate opponets!

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    Default Re: Malinaggi new statement on Pac

    When people began making early claims with respect to Margarito, the boxing pundits were still getting down on PBF for not fighting him. They were prepared to give Margarito a cheating pass, just to continue to villify PBF who they do not like. It is exactly as Paulie mentioned, they like Mannie and they do not like Floyd. Objecive analysis my patudi.

    Why is MP being given preferential treatment in this situation. I have seen the sports pundits jump on athletes where there is far less evidence of their usage of PEDs. MP went from bruising fights with 130 pounders and less in two years to demolition of 147 pounders. You damn skippy I would be asking for random drug testing if I was going to fight him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJson View Post
    When people began making early claims with respect to Margarito, the boxing pundits were still getting down on PBF for not fighting him. They were prepared to give Margarito a cheating pass, just to continue to villify PBF who they do not like. It is exactly as Paulie mentioned, they like Mannie and they do not like Floyd. Objecive analysis my patudi.

    Why is MP being given preferential treatment in this situation. I have seen the sports pundits jump on athletes where there is far less evidence of their usage of PEDs. MP went from bruising fights with 130 pounders and less in two years to demolition of 147 pounders. You damn skippy I would be asking for random drug testing if I was going to fight him.
    styles makes fights bro. styles makes fight.

    pac can TKO hatton 10 out of 10 but he will have a problem with Marquez 10 out of 10.

    hope you're learning some boxing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucelee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JJson View Post
    When people began making early claims with respect to Margarito, the boxing pundits were still getting down on PBF for not fighting him. They were prepared to give Margarito a cheating pass, just to continue to villify PBF who they do not like. It is exactly as Paulie mentioned, they like Mannie and they do not like Floyd. Objecive analysis my patudi.

    Why is MP being given preferential treatment in this situation. I have seen the sports pundits jump on athletes where there is far less evidence of their usage of PEDs. MP went from bruising fights with 130 pounders and less in two years to demolition of 147 pounders. You damn skippy I would be asking for random drug testing if I was going to fight him.
    styles makes fights bro. styles makes fight.

    pac can TKO hatton 10 out of 10 but he will have a problem with Marquez 10 out of 10.

    hope you're learning some boxing here.
    Everything he said there makes sense. In fact, you're living proof of his point. Some people are so in love with their favorite fighter, and despise the 'bad guy' (Floyd) so much, that they will completely disregard reason, common sense and sportsmanship.

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