Which fighter do you credit the most?

[Kev]

Given the level of hate aimed at certain fighters, especially Manny, who garners zero respect from the armchair experts we are lucky to have here at Saddo's and on many other sites I was wondering which fighter is the one who we all truly respect?

Who is the fighter who is fighting the opponents we want him to, with no funny business, and who is the role model for phonies like Pac to follow?

[miron_lang]

Montiel and Cotto are candidates for that fighter you described.

nuthugging aside i really cant figure out how can they hate on what Pacquiao has done.

preceding every fight , believer where scarce and Manny's ass gonna be handed to him, After the spectacular showing the fallen hero is either shot, not that good , made for him and to some extent were paid to lose


Going up in weight usually is a handicap before Pac made it big. Now it looks the other way around if your name is Pacquiao.

[milmascaras1]

carl froch - this guy comes to fight and will fight anybody, anytime. that's why i admire him so much. was impressed the way he absolutely dominated the tough arthur abraham. would like to see him fight andre ward and lucian bute in the future.

vic darchinyan - say what you will about vic but he's another one of those brave fighters who is willing to fight anybody. very awkward style but he brings it every time. after his loss to donaire, didn't sulk and came back to face tough opponents.

tomasz adamek - gotta love this guy. true warrior and stepped up to heavyweight and fighting heavies much bigger than he. i was glad he beat the crap out of chris arreola. however, might be too small for either klitschkos.

shane mosley - so what if he is past it and washed up! the guy's resume is second to none in terms of opponents fought. can't blame him for wanting a huge payday with pacquiao. have always admired his attitude and humbleness.

yonnhy perez - love this guy. love his style, heart and resolve. very likeable person as well. was torn between him and abner mares when they fought and glad neither of them lost against each other. very popular within the mexican community in california.

sergio martinez - this guy is such an incredible athlete, it's no wonder he's a top boxer. i think before he started boxing he was a professional soccer play and avid bicyclist. one of my favorites cause he wants the biggest and toughest fights.

timothy bradley - very underrated boxer who only wants to fight the bigger names. no doubt in my mind he's the top jr. welterweight. a bradley/khan fight would be an epic battle between two very fast and young fighters in their prime.

miguel angel cotto - look at his record and you will see he isn't afraid to fight anybody. a true boricua warrior who not only does boricuas proud but all latinos. very classy fighter with a great demeaner and humbleness. one of my favorite boricuas of all-time.

juan manuel lopez - even though he's young and hasn't been a champion for a long time, just look at his career opponents and it will confirm what a fearless warrior this cat is. love this guy (non-gayish) because of his classiness and level headedness.

juan manuel marquez - this guy seems to be getting better technically as he gets older. his defeat of katsidis was a thing of beauty. got dropped hard, was hurt, and will managed to impose his skills and will on a younger warrior like katsidis.

fernando montiel - i honestly didn't think he had much of a chance against the great hasegawa. was surprised to see he ended it so early. this is another underrated warrior who despite his diminitive size, regularly fights opponents much bigger than him. his war with donaire is going to be a treat for boxing fans worldwide.

[Kev]

carl froch - this guy comes to fight and will fight anybody, anytime. that's why i admire him so much. was impressed the way he absolutely dominated the tough arthur abraham. would like to see him fight andre ward and lucian bute in the future.

vic darchinyan - say what you will about vic but he's another one of those brave fighters who is willing to fight anybody. very awkward style but he brings it every time. after his loss to donaire, didn't sulk and came back to face tough opponents.

tomasz adamek - gotta love this guy. true warrior and stepped up to heavyweight and fighting heavies much bigger than he. i was glad he beat the crap out of chris arreola. however, might be too small for either klitschkos.

shane mosley - so what if he is past it and washed up! the guy's resume is second to none in terms of opponents fought. can't blame him for wanting a huge payday with pacquiao. have always admired his attitude and humbleness.

yonnhy perez - love this guy. love his style, heart and resolve. very likeable person as well. was torn between him and abner mares when they fought and glad neither of them lost against each other. very popular within the mexican community in california.

sergio martinez - this guy is such an incredible athlete, it's no wonder he's a top boxer. i think before he started boxing he was a professional soccer play and avid bicyclist. one of my favorites cause he wants the biggest and toughest fights.

timothy bradley - very underrated boxer who only wants to fight the bigger names. no doubt in my mind he's the top jr. welterweight. a bradley/khan fight would be an epic battle between two very fast and young fighters in their prime.

miguel angel cotto - look at his record and you will see he isn't afraid to fight anybody. a true boricua warrior who not only does boricuas proud but all latinos. very classy fighter with a great demeaner and humbleness. one of my favorite boricuas of all-time.

juan manuel lopez - even though he's young and hasn't been a champion for a long time, just look at his career opponents and it will confirm what a fearless warrior this cat is. love this guy (non-gayish) because of his classiness and level headedness.

juan manuel marquez - this guy seems to be getting better technically as he gets older. his defeat of katsidis was a thing of beauty. got dropped hard, was hurt, and will managed to impose his skills and will on a younger warrior like katsidis.

fernando montiel - i honestly didn't think he had much of a chance against the great hasegawa. was surprised to see he ended it so early. this is another underrated warrior who despite his diminitive size, regularly fights opponents much bigger than him. his war with donaire is going to be a treat for boxing fans worldwide.

Am I right in thinking that these guys could lose your repect if they started behaving with the same kind of antics that Pacquaio has?

If for example Sergio Martinez was to climb to the 168 lb super middleweight division and knock out Jean Pascal there you would lose respect for him, for dragging Pascal back down to his former weight class where clearly he couldn't perform?

[Julius Rain]

Given the level of hate aimed at certain fighters, especially Manny, who garners zero respect from the armchair experts we are lucky to have here at Saddo's and on many other sites I was wondering which fighter is the one who we all truly respect?

Who is the fighter who is fighting the opponents we want him to, with no funny business, and who is the role model for phonies like Pac to follow?

Nonito Donaire

[Kev]

Given the level of hate aimed at certain fighters, especially Manny, who garners zero respect from the armchair experts we are lucky to have here at Saddo's and on many other sites I was wondering which fighter is the one who we all truly respect?

Who is the fighter who is fighting the opponents we want him to, with no funny business, and who is the role model for phonies like Pac to follow?

Nonito Donaire

Donaire has his own way of forcing catchweight fights. He allows his opponent to weigh whatever the maximum weight limit is for the division they fight in, he just stipulates that they must not be taller than the height restriction limit to get on a roller coaster in the US.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

It's hard to put a list up with out someone (*ahem BILBO*) bashing it but I think Milmascars' list is pretty damn comprehensive.

[ICB]

carl froch - this guy comes to fight and will fight anybody, anytime. that's why i admire him so much. was impressed the way he absolutely dominated the tough arthur abraham. would like to see him fight andre ward and lucian bute in the future.

vic darchinyan - say what you will about vic but he's another one of those brave fighters who is willing to fight anybody. very awkward style but he brings it every time. after his loss to donaire, didn't sulk and came back to face tough opponents.

tomasz adamek - gotta love this guy. true warrior and stepped up to heavyweight and fighting heavies much bigger than he. i was glad he beat the crap out of chris arreola. however, might be too small for either klitschkos.

shane mosley - so what if he is past it and washed up! the guy's resume is second to none in terms of opponents fought. can't blame him for wanting a huge payday with pacquiao. have always admired his attitude and humbleness.

yonnhy perez - love this guy. love his style, heart and resolve. very likeable person as well. was torn between him and abner mares when they fought and glad neither of them lost against each other. very popular within the mexican community in california.

sergio martinez - this guy is such an incredible athlete, it's no wonder he's a top boxer. i think before he started boxing he was a professional soccer play and avid bicyclist. one of my favorites cause he wants the biggest and toughest fights.

timothy bradley - very underrated boxer who only wants to fight the bigger names. no doubt in my mind he's the top jr. welterweight. a bradley/khan fight would be an epic battle between two very fast and young fighters in their prime.

miguel angel cotto - look at his record and you will see he isn't afraid to fight anybody. a true boricua warrior who not only does boricuas proud but all latinos. very classy fighter with a great demeaner and humbleness. one of my favorite boricuas of all-time.

juan manuel lopez - even though he's young and hasn't been a champion for a long time, just look at his career opponents and it will confirm what a fearless warrior this cat is. love this guy (non-gayish) because of his classiness and level headedness.

juan manuel marquez - this guy seems to be getting better technically as he gets older. his defeat of katsidis was a thing of beauty. got dropped hard, was hurt, and will managed to impose his skills and will on a younger warrior like katsidis.

fernando montiel - i honestly didn't think he had much of a chance against the great hasegawa. was surprised to see he ended it so early. this is another underrated warrior who despite his diminitive size, regularly fights opponents much bigger than him. his war with donaire is going to be a treat for boxing fans worldwide.

Great list i agree with every single name.

[Kev]

carl froch - this guy comes to fight and will fight anybody, anytime. that's why i admire him so much. was impressed the way he absolutely dominated the tough arthur abraham. would like to see him fight andre ward and lucian bute in the future.

vic darchinyan - say what you will about vic but he's another one of those brave fighters who is willing to fight anybody. very awkward style but he brings it every time. after his loss to donaire, didn't sulk and came back to face tough opponents.

tomasz adamek - gotta love this guy. true warrior and stepped up to heavyweight and fighting heavies much bigger than he. i was glad he beat the crap out of chris arreola. however, might be too small for either klitschkos.

shane mosley - so what if he is past it and washed up! the guy's resume is second to none in terms of opponents fought. can't blame him for wanting a huge payday with pacquiao. have always admired his attitude and humbleness.

yonnhy perez - love this guy. love his style, heart and resolve. very likeable person as well. was torn between him and abner mares when they fought and glad neither of them lost against each other. very popular within the mexican community in california.

sergio martinez - this guy is such an incredible athlete, it's no wonder he's a top boxer. i think before he started boxing he was a professional soccer play and avid bicyclist. one of my favorites cause he wants the biggest and toughest fights.

timothy bradley - very underrated boxer who only wants to fight the bigger names. no doubt in my mind he's the top jr. welterweight. a bradley/khan fight would be an epic battle between two very fast and young fighters in their prime.

miguel angel cotto - look at his record and you will see he isn't afraid to fight anybody. a true boricua warrior who not only does boricuas proud but all latinos. very classy fighter with a great demeaner and humbleness. one of my favorite boricuas of all-time.

juan manuel lopez - even though he's young and hasn't been a champion for a long time, just look at his career opponents and it will confirm what a fearless warrior this cat is. love this guy (non-gayish) because of his classiness and level headedness.

juan manuel marquez - this guy seems to be getting better technically as he gets older. his defeat of katsidis was a thing of beauty. got dropped hard, was hurt, and will managed to impose his skills and will on a younger warrior like katsidis.

fernando montiel - i honestly didn't think he had much of a chance against the great hasegawa. was surprised to see he ended it so early. this is another underrated warrior who despite his diminitive size, regularly fights opponents much bigger than him. his war with donaire is going to be a treat for boxing fans worldwide.

Great list i agree with every single name.

Do you think all these guys have a better resume than Manny too? If these started jumping up 3 or more weight classes and destroying the biggest names but at a catchweight 2 pounds below their rivals official weight, you don't credit their wins?

So if Montiel moves up and knocks out Humberto Soto at a catchweight between superfeather and lightweight it would tarnish boxing and be a manipulative fight on Montiels part, or if Tomothy Bradley dominated Paul Williams at 158 lbs you would slate that win too?

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'd have to say Juan Manuel Marquez.
He is the most courageous fighter of our generation imo.

[generalbulldog]

Evander Holyfield, hands down. No fighter of this era has a better resume than him in terms of opponents and Holyfield never ducked anyone or got accused of ducking. Not to mentioned the heart inside the ring. And this man still wants to fight any top HW including the Klit bros and Haye.

This man is also 1 of the most hated fighters ever because he shattered Tyson's myth.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Bil, what is your point mate

Why don't you just make a thread that defends Pacquiao's resume rather than make a thread for other people to make lists so that you can assume we would bash those in the event of some shit that hasn't even happened yet

Again, what exactly is your point?

[Kev]

Bil, what is your point mate

Why don't you just make a thread that defends Pacquiao's resume rather than make a thread for other people to make lists so that you can assume we would bash those in the event of some shit that hasn't even happened yet

Again, what exactly is your point?

My point was explained in the first post. Pac has an abundance of haters, people who refuse to give him credit for his victories. So I was asking what fighters they give more credit to than Pacquaio, i.e if you aren't satisfied with Manny's resume then who do you think is doing it better......

[milmascaras1]

bilbo,

you asked the question "who is the fighter who is fighting the opponents we want him to". you didn't say anything about resumes. whereas it's true that pacquiao has done incredible things in the past few years, he and his team continue to get ridiculed by fans all over the world for their choices of opponents.

evander holyfield is another fighter i forgot. great, great competitor!

[arcanum26]

bilbo,

you asked the question "who is the fighter who is fighting the opponents we want him to". you didn't say anything about resumes. whereas it's true that pacquiao has done incredible things in the past few years, he and his team continue to get ridiculed by fans all over the world for their choices of opponents.

evander holyfield is another fighter i forgot. great, great competitor!

Choices of opponents like margarito? Didn't you favor him to win against manny? And yet you still ridicule him, calling him a fraud/protected fighter. Doesn't make any sense to me.