Angelo Dundee on David Haye - the senile old fool

[boxingbantz]

Legendary American trainer Angelo Dundee has seen WBA heavyweight champion David Haye in the flesh for the first time and predicts the Londoner will become one of the sport's all-time great heavyweights.

Haye is in training at Dundee's legendary Miami Fifth Street Gym and despite the man who guided Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard approaching his 90th birthday, he still casts his eye over his gym's fighters on a daily basis.

"I watched him and he was training in my Fifth Street Gym," Dundee told the BBC. "I was pleased - I felt like he belonged right to that gym. He's an interesting human being. It was my first time being in person with the kid. I'm impressed because I like the way he handles himself and I like the people around him. There's much more than meets the eye.

"I like everything about his style. I love a boxer, he can box and move. He feels at home in the gym and that's important because that's where the kids get in shape. he's blends with the gym. When Muhammad first came to Miami and to my gym he blended with the gym, the ring, the guys and he's one of the guys. David Haye can blend in anywhere, England should be proud of him.

"There's a smile on his face and he talks. We've got to have fighters that talk so you (journalists) have something to say and somethign to write and DH gives you everything. And he can fight that's the important thing.

"David Haye will go down in history, he's excellent, I'm very impressed.

"I'm the worst picker in the world and I don't want to jinx the kid but to me he should beat Klitschko. You've got to go one fight at a time and take them as they come.

"David Haye, after he knocks out Klitschko, will be with the top 15 (of all-time heavyweights). He's for real, he can fight and he knows what he's doing.

"Every era has a different great fighter and David Haye belongs to this era. I respect him as a heck of a fighter."

Words fail me.

[littlebif]

Angelo Dundee has lost the plot ! Top 15 of all time

[skel1983]

the old fella is 90 so we need to give him that at least. Just remember what he was like prior to the Dela Hoya Pac fight to know not to listen to him.

[Nameless]

It would be hard to agree with him. However, I feel like he's just excited to have a HW world champion training at his gym, especially because it could well be the last one he'll see due to his venerable age.
Considering this, it would be hard to expect him to say: "yeah, Haye is training at my Gym, he's a very sympathic fella but I feel like he's boxing like shit and will get mauled within 6 rounds".
I think it's just excitement and a bit of a kuddos for a HW champion training at his gym, really. Beside, such comments are good to stir up the whole promotion and to give more attention to his gym.

[marbleheadmaui]

He's getting a paycheck to hype a fight. What's he gonna say?

[rjj tszyu]

I don't agree with what he's saying despite being a Haye fan. He will not be top 15 after he beats Klit (which he will do) he needs to do MUCH more for that kind of accolade.

I do hope Haye is listening to Dundee though. Despite being an old man I still think he can teach ANYONE new tricks. IMO Dundee is the greatest trainer of all time.

[Mars_ax]

I've always liked Dundee, but he's as full of shit as a Xmas turkey if he actually believes Haye will defeat Wlad Klitschko and go on to become a top 15 all-time heavyweight. Remember this is the same bullshitter who predicted Ali was going to defeat Larry Holmes, despite Ali already showing early signs of pugilistic dementia, I take everything Dundee says with a grain of salt.

Like someone said, Dundee is getting paid to Hype/promote the fight, and Haye is using and advertizing Dundee's his gym in Miami, so it's what you can expect.

[rjj tszyu]

I've always liked Dundee, but he's as full of shit as a Xmas turkey if he actually believes Haye will defeat Wlad Klitschko and go on to become a top 15 all-time heavyweight. Remember this is the same bullshitter who predicted Ali was going to defeat Larry Holmes, despite Ali already showing early signs of pugilistic dementia, I take everything Dundee says with a grain of salt.

Like someone said, Dundee is getting paid to Hype/promote the fight, and Haye is using and advertizing Dundee's his gym in Miami, so it's what you can expect.

For a start Haye will beat Wlad and I'll remind you of my prediction on the 3rd July.

But really what did you expect Dundee to say Ali was going to do vs Holmes? He was training Ali for christ sake. Have you ever known a trainer go into a world title fight saying his guy was going to lose?

[Master]

Let the great man say what he wants.

[Hornfinger]

Angelo Dundee knows more about boxing than ANYONE and everyone combined on this site.

[Mars_ax]

I've always liked Dundee, but he's as full of shit as a Xmas turkey if he actually believes Haye will defeat Wlad Klitschko and go on to become a top 15 all-time heavyweight. Remember this is the same bullshitter who predicted Ali was going to defeat Larry Holmes, despite Ali already showing early signs of pugilistic dementia, I take everything Dundee says with a grain of salt.

Like someone said, Dundee is getting paid to Hype/promote the fight, and Haye is using and advertizing Dundee's his gym in Miami, so it's what you can expect.

For a start Haye will beat Wlad and I'll remind you of my prediction on the 3rd July.

But really what did you expect Dundee to say Ali was going to do vs Holmes? He was training Ali for christ sake. Have you ever known a trainer go into a world title fight saying his guy was going to lose?

OK, rjj tszyu, and i'll remind you July 3rd, after Wlad annihilates Haye, and makes your prediction look foolish.

[greynotsoold]

Angelo Dundee first came to prominence because Carmen Basilio liked the way he wrapped his hands- not because of his 'genius.' He was picked to 'train' Ali precisely because he would not train him: after the experiment with Archie Moore training Ali, it was decided to put him in the hands of somebody that wouldn't try to teach him anything. Leonard was the same way- he was finished product when he got to Dundee and was there because Dundee wouldn't/couldn't mess with his style. He is considered a great trainer because he once said "You're losing it son" to a fighter that already knew that and was fighting accordingly.
Or, in short form, he's been senile since the mid-1950s.

[Mars_ax]

Angelo Dundee first came to prominence because Carmen Basilio liked the way he wrapped his hands- not because of his 'genius.' He was picked to 'train' Ali precisely because he would not train him: after the experiment with Archie Moore training Ali, it was decided to put him in the hands of somebody that wouldn't try to teach him anything. Leonard was the same way- he was finished product when he got to Dundee and was there because Dundee wouldn't/couldn't mess with his style. He is considered a great trainer because he once said "You're losing it son" to a fighter that already knew that and was fighting accordingly.
Or, in short form, he's been senile since the mid-1950s.

Good points grey, just because Dundee has been around boxing a long time and "trained" Ali & Leonard is no reason to think he's some kind of boxing genius, just fortunate to have associated with 2 great fighters.

[rjj tszyu]

Angelo Dundee first came to prominence because Carmen Basilio liked the way he wrapped his hands- not because of his 'genius.' He was picked to 'train' Ali precisely because he would not train him: after the experiment with Archie Moore training Ali, it was decided to put him in the hands of somebody that wouldn't try to teach him anything. Leonard was the same way- he was finished product when he got to Dundee and was there because Dundee wouldn't/couldn't mess with his style. He is considered a great trainer because he once said "You're losing it son" to a fighter that already knew that and was fighting accordingly.
Or, in short form, he's been senile since the mid-1950s.

So now you think Ali and Leonard were the finished article after the olympics??

Retard springs to mind!!

[greynotsoold]

Now, if you are calling me a 'retard', that is just out of line. I have never, in any way, disrespected you. If we differ in opinion, it should at least be civil.
But I would humbly suggest you read up a bit on your boxing history.