Split Decisions

[fan johnny]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

[erics44]

shit idea

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

[killersheep]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

That's dangerous after the fighters have cooled down and are exhausted.

I don't agree with the change it to a draw idea either. Take the case in point a fighter clearly wins every round judges scorecards read 120-108, 120-108, 113-115. Because of a single home baked judge, a fighter gets robbed of a "W"and has to waste his time fighting someone he already dominated. This is such a common event in boxing, that it would change at least one fight per card from a "W" to a ""D".

Here's what The Ring's top 10 p4p fighters records would look like

1. Manny Pacquiao 52-3-3 (from 53-3-2)
2. Sergio Martinez 47-1-3 (from 47-2-2)
3. Nonito Donaire 26-1 (no change)
4. JMM 53-4-2 (from 53-5-1)
5. Wlad 56-3 (no change)
6. Timothy Bradley 26-0-1 (from 27-0)
7. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 81-3-2 (from 82-3-1)
8. Giovanni Segura 27-1-2 (from 28-1-1)
9. Andre Ward 24-0 (no change)
10. B-Hop 52-2-5 (from 52-5-2)

[erics44]

theres nothing wrong with split decisions

makes finding out a bit more entertaining when there is one

in fact, id prefer a split descision than a UD or a MD

least then its down to the last judge

its like extra suspense

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

That's dangerous after the fighters have cooled down and are exhausted.

Can't they come out with the decision in less than 3 minutes since it's just a matter of adding the scores? And boxers a few generations ago had been going for 15 rounds. There was even a time when they duke it out for more than 20 rounds.

[killersheep]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

That's dangerous after the fighters have cooled down and are exhausted.

Can't they come out with the decision in less than 3 minutes since it's just a matter of adding the scores? And boxers a few generations ago had been going for 15 rounds. There was even a time when they duke it out for more than 20 rounds.

It's not just a matter of waiting for a decision, boxers tend to remove their gloves, so they would have to re-wrap as well. in the old days of 100 plus rounds it was a much different game, it's not a matter of just lasting now. Plus there is the issue of swelling, which will be worse after the fighter cools down. Not to mention you have to get all the entourages, officials, cameramen, promoters, stools and everything out of the ring.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

That's dangerous after the fighters have cooled down and are exhausted.

Can't they come out with the decision in less than 3 minutes since it's just a matter of adding the scores? And boxers a few generations ago had been going for 15 rounds. There was even a time when they duke it out for more than 20 rounds.

It's not just a matter of waiting for a decision, boxers tend to remove their gloves, so they would have to re-wrap as well. in the old days of 100 plus rounds it was a much different game, it's not a matter of just lasting now. Plus there is the issue of swelling, which will be worse after the fighter cools down. Not to mention you have to get all the entourages, officials, cameramen, promoters, stools and everything out of the ring.

I mean there could be a rule that the boxers are not to remove their gloves immediately after the 12th round nor does anybody get into the ring until they have verified that the judges decision is not split. This I think can be done in less than 3 minutes if the judges already total their score every round and it will just need to be verified after the 12th.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why do we even have them? If the Judges are hung, The fight should be classified as a "Draw" and there should be an automatic rematch rather than a "W".

......... or give them another 3 rounds and see if the split decision will change.

That's dangerous after the fighters have cooled down and are exhausted.

I don't agree with the change it to a draw idea either. Take the case in point a fighter clearly wins every round judges scorecards read 120-108, 120-108, 113-115. Because of a single home baked judge, a fighter gets robbed of a "W"and has to waste his time fighting someone he already dominated. This is such a common event in boxing, that it would change at least one fight per card from a "W" to a ""D".

Here's what The Ring's top 10 p4p fighters records would look like

1. Manny Pacquiao 52-3-3 (from 53-3-2)
2. Sergio Martinez 47-1-3 (from 47-2-2)
3. Nonito Donaire 26-1 (no change)
4. JMM 53-4-2 (from 53-5-1)
5. Wlad 56-3 (no change)
6. Timothy Bradley 26-0-1 (from 27-0)
7. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 81-3-2 (from 82-3-1)
8. Giovanni Segura 27-1-2 (from 28-1-1)
9. Andre Ward 24-0 (no change)
10. B-Hop 52-2-5 (from 52-5-2)

I give you an A+ for your effort in tabulating the above.

[greynotsoold]

In the 1980s, if an ESPN title fight was a draw at the end of 12 rounds, they fought a 13th. One that I remember involved Doug DeWitt, but I can't recall his opponent.
Billy Graham, who is (or should be) in the HoF, with a record of 126-15, lost either 8 or 10 split decisions.

[ninjaspy3]

But a split decision is NOT a draw. Thats why there are 3 judges in the first place so a draw will not happen so often.

And as for fighting extra rounds, who is to say the result will not be another split decision?

Best is to leave it as is.

[killersheep]

But a split decision is NOT a draw. Thats why there are 3 judges in the first place so a draw will not happen so often.

And as for fighting extra rounds, who is to say the result will not be another split decision?

Best is to leave it as is.

Yes we could easily be up to Pac/JMM 12 by now.

[killersheep]

Basically the essence of the initial post was that in order to win a fight you must convince all the judges you won. While I can see where the idea comes from and can appreciate this line of thinking, the problem with corrupt judges becomes an even bigger problem, how would anyone ever get better than a draw in someone else's backyard (barring a KO) It's hard enough as it is.