Rocki Marcianno phantom overhead & Mike Tyson Home-run hook

[SugarBoxing]

Hello,

do you think these are technically similar punches?
As a taller fighter, how would you defend from them?
How would you counter them?

Basically, what would you do in place of Joe Luis and Henri Tillman?

[brocktonblockbust]

1st of all joe dıd the rıght thıng by pullıng back as Rocky stepped under hıs left. Tıllman had hıs left too low as Tyson was comıng ın wıth what mostl lıkely was lookıng lıke a rıght hand haymaker. Tıllman threw a left hook perhaps at the wrong tıme and was wıde open for that rıght hand.

[nikola_ganchev]

I don't see anything phantom about them

I think that you must not telegraph, move to your left and squer your self while jabing and dropping the hand...

[Andre]

The Tyson one was more of a overhand right and that guy was asking for one but moving towards Tysons rear arm with his front arm down Tyson did well to get him to react to the front low jab at the same time ,a straight left jab into Mikes face when he threw his left low would of helped against that happening.

The other one looks like a leaping long hook, hard to defend againt it cause you only throw one around someones arm that you've gone under so that they dont see it coming when they are themselves already committed because the move is such an over commitment in itself; ,this guy did well cause its a ko hit if you miss seeing it.

If you have balls to stay in the zone and practice it and get it down, you can leave your left out where it is, drop the elbow slightly and turn ever so slightly and face where that leaping hook is coming from; that way it cant get around your extended left arm and you are still in the zone in better reach for your right and you can deck them with a ripping right cause they are flying and their left is out of play and then they are then the one who is over committed.

[WayneFlint]

Take a small step back with the rear foot and turn heels away from shot catching the shot on the shoulder and send the one youve now loaded back with 2 after it, as soon as you feel their glove across your shoulder blade let shots go, right uppercut n left to body are good shots to intercept overhand right with if the tell's bad enough n your quick, i also like andre's idea, moving away from the shot to achieve a new angle.

[SugarBoxing]

I don't see anything phantom about them

Phantom because unlike straight right hand, the phantom overhead initial move is invisible to the opponent. In the middle stage, when Rocki swings, the hand goes like high hook, so the opponent can notice it with his side vision only

Take a small step back with the rear foot and turn heels away from shot catching the shot on the shoulder and send the one youve now loaded back with 2 after it, as soon as you feel their glove across your shoulder blade let shots go, right uppercut n left to body are good shots to intercept overhand right with if the tell's bad enough n your quick, i also like andre's idea, moving away from the shot to achieve a new angle.

this is nice description, I think I saw Tommy Morrison doing it a lot.



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But this would be a counter move, while in Tyson and Marciano case they step inside with the punch

1st of all joe dıd the rıght thıng by pullıng back as Rocky stepped under hıs left.

I agree, but what if Joe would be against the ropes at this moment?

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't believe there is anything particularly unusual or exceptional about either of these punches outside of the fact that they were thrown with terrific force. Conclusive Blows.

I'm not belittling either fighter, or the thread, but sometimes it is a lot easier to identify traditional techniques in the heavyweight division as they are performed more slowly.
For this reason I often watch a bloated James Toney at heavyweight. The skills are present; he still has the boxing knowledge; but he has decelerated, allowing the thought process to be identified that much easier. This may apply to another thread currently active; Mike McCallum's rise through the weight categories; never equaling his mastery at LMW.

[Andre]

I agree, but what if Joe would be against the ropes at this moment?[/QUOTE]

theres a nice old move rarely taught that you pull your left leg back sit down and spring back into the middle ropes, block the shot, or better still help it through and take the shot over your head and throw your right hand down the pipe exactly as you step out to your left with that same left leg cause now you have room to move.

[Andre]

I don't believe there is anything particularly unusual or exceptional about either of these punches outside of the fact that they were thrown with terrific force. Conclusive Blows.

I'm not belittling either fighter, or the thread, but sometimes it is a lot easier to identify traditional techniques in the heavyweight division as they are performed more slowly.
For this reason I often watch a bloated James Toney at heavyweight. The skills are present; he still has the boxing knowledge; but he has decelerated, allowing the thought process to be identified that much easier. This may apply to another thread currently active; Mike McCallum's rise through the weight categories; never equaling his mastery at LMW.

Isnt that the truth; they also over commit a bit when fighting outside of their usual boundaries with the weight too.

[SugarBoxing]

these are good points, tnx for feedback!