The Global Warming crowd is at war....with the poor

[El Kabong]

Several scientist believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming and say the affects will be terrible for everyone if we don't act immediately. Al Gore and other Alarmists have suggested certain actions to slow down or revert the effects of Anthropogenic Global Warming. These actions are fine and dandy for the leerjet liberal Al Gore, but if given the once over by a regular everyday citizen you will quickly see that this the true "Class Warfare".

The "Greenies" propose nothing cost effective to replace oil & gas. Wind farms, solar energy, etc are useless in providing energy to the masses. Excessive taxation and regulation makes fuel more expensive and inflate the prices of food & other products taking a big chunk out of the pockets of blue collar workers and hell in some cases these solutions cost those same workers their jobs!

Its easy for Al Gore to fly all over giving speeches and touting the fact he buys carbon offsets (from a company he owns) after his family made all their wealth via Occidental Petroleum but when we're talking about real people who drive to work, who buy groceries, who live on a budget....these Global Warming "solutions" are going to keep them struggling paycheck to paycheck. Also this Global Warming bullcrap is a neverending cause, it wouldn't end if we all stopped using gas & oil this very second...it is a means of keeping the wealthy wealthy & the poor poor & I am of course not shocked that the media and the politicians have been so quiet about the real life effects these rules, regulations, and legislation has on the normal working public. I'm not saying we must pollute the entire world, but too far is too far & the Global Warming crowd has gone too far.

[Gandalf]

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[TitoFan]

Several scientist believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming and say the affects will be terrible for everyone if we don't act immediately. Al Gore and other Alarmists have suggested certain actions to slow down or revert the effects of Anthropogenic Global Warming. These actions are fine and dandy for the leerjet liberal Al Gore, but if given the once over by a regular everyday citizen you will quickly see that this the true "Class Warfare".

The "Greenies" propose nothing cost effective to replace oil & gas. Wind farms, solar energy, etc are useless in providing energy to the masses. Excessive taxation and regulation makes fuel more expensive and inflate the prices of food & other products taking a big chunk out of the pockets of blue collar workers and hell in some cases these solutions cost those same workers their jobs!

Its easy for Al Gore to fly all over giving speeches and touting the fact he buys carbon offsets (from a company he owns) after his family made all their wealth via Occidental Petroleum but when we're talking about real people who drive to work, who buy groceries, who live on a budget....these Global Warming "solutions" are going to keep them struggling paycheck to paycheck. Also this Global Warming bullcrap is a neverending cause, it wouldn't end if we all stopped using gas & oil this very second...it is a means of keeping the wealthy wealthy & the poor poor & I am of course not shocked that the media and the politicians have been so quiet about the real life effects these rules, regulations, and legislation has on the normal working public. I'm not saying we must pollute the entire world, but too far is too far & the Global Warming crowd has gone too far.

I'm not a Gore fan, nor do I think the end of the world is upon us, at least by climate change. "The Day After Tomorrow" was entertaining with the special effects and all, but it's just a movie, and the day after tomorrow we'll be posting on here like every other day.

But I disagree with the statement that "Wind farms, solar energy, etc are useless in providing energy to the masses". Solar panels are a proven and effective technology, and as with every fairly new technology, the prices are going down and availability is going up. Wind farms are sprouting up with more and more frequency. Probably more so in other countries than in the U.S., and that's saying something right there.

The idea that these renewable resources are "useless" is the preferred agenda pushed by the oil, gas and coal communities. Huge financial interests are at stake, so of course what oilman in his right mind is going to admit to other technologies.

And of course, global warming and the continued pollution of the Earth would not stop if we stopped using oil and gas "this very second", as you put it. But it would certainly slow down. The switch to renewable resources will never be an abrupt process... that would be ludicrous. But it must start from somewhere and have a measurable progression.

And not only do we pollute more with oil, but we're talking about a finite resource. We humans tend to think short term, only about our own lifetimes. But the responsible viewpoint is to think about future generations. I've read credible articles where experts estimate the availability of oil to last until around the year 2050, given our current rate of consumption.

There's two ways to view this. One is to not believe it. After all, how can we be sure that these estimates are based on true scientific facts? The other is to say, "fine, but I don't care." That, I believe is the shortsighted viewpoint.

Some people will always overreact to issues, whether it be gun control, or global warming. They are the hysterical naysayers, finding the black lining in every cloud. But there are more intelligent minds out there, who also do not stick their heads in the sand, making believe everything's alright, because really it isn't. The proper mentality is to accept that there is a problem, and calmly and rationally evaluate and figure out ways to best deal with it.

[El Kabong]

The global warming alarmist agenda is not to offer alternatives. Wind, Solar, biofuels...these things simply cannot do the job of Nuclear, Coal, Oil, & Gas that's just a fact otherwise companies specializing in alternative energy sources would be booming without government hand outs. Solar energy alone creates a tone of pollution, how do you think they make those panels? Lithium Ion batteries are also pretty damned toxic as are those curly-q lightbulbs which not only contain mercury but put out a lot more UV rays which will give you cancer.

The agenda is to drive up the cost of heating your home, using appliances, cool your home, fill your gas tank, etc. Which in turn makes the price of food go up because how do we transport those goods from farms to market? Who does that hurt most? Who has the least ammount of disposable income Tito? The 1% won't give a shit, they'll read their Wall Street Journal while sitting on their gold plated toilets & not give a good God damn about an extra few dollars here & there....but the average Joe trying to put food on the table day in and day out...it'll put a hurting on his family. Also if other nations are held to the same "Green Police" Global Warming Alarmist standard that America is subject to then you're keeping people in the 3rd World stuck in the 3rd World.

You want to help people globally how about medicine & fresh water for people in Africa!

[VictorCharlie]

I don't really have a huge issue with the AWG science crowd. The earth's climate is and has always been fluid. We have been on a warming trend ever since the last ice age and yes humans have an effect on the climate. The questions to me that need more research is how much effect do we have, is this warming effect really the cataclysmic event some would have you believe and can we actually do anything about it now?

I do have an issue with politicians who use AWG studies not to improve the Earth but to switch money from an industry that does'nt support them to an industry that does. If alternative energy sources are viable, cost effective and desired then they will make it on their own merit and don't need huge subisdies.

[El Kabong]

Why during blizzards do newscasters always remind people to check & make sure friends & loved ones have heat? Why during hot summers do the same newscasters remind people to stay inside, and keep in the air conditioning? Is it because heat & AC save lives? Heat & AC are necessities in such inclimate weather and the Global Warming people want those to be harder to get & more expensive to operate.

[TitoFan]

I'm all for helping people in Africa. But that isn't really a polarizing issue, is it?

When you stick the word "alarmist" right after the words "global warming", you are picking on the very slice of the environmentalist population I said are hopeless fanatics. So you're picking the wrong argument there. I'm against extremist views of any kind. And I never claimed that renewable resources could completely replace the traditional fossil fuels. Again, we're going to the extremes. But you're skewing the argument when you talk about the pollution caused by manufacturing solar panels.

C'mon Lyle... you know better than that. You're talking a one-time manufacturing process for a maintenance-free solar panel that will be providing renewable energy for the life of the panel. How does that even begin to compare with the pollution caused by the burning of oil and coal? Seriously??

Take a moment and think about it. In my argument, I'm not advocating running out into the streets and picketing every refinery and coal mine worldwide. I'm not advocating needless panic and fanatical viewpoints where "A" is all good.... "B" is all evil.... or viceversa. Whereas you come across as attacking anything that will put a dent into the multi-trillion dollar monster which is the oil and coal industry.

Regardless of how shitty you feel Obama is as President..... do you think Georgie Bush actually gave a flying shit about anything other than filling his own pockets with money from oil interests, at the expense of any other promising technology trying to pry its way in?

You talk about alternative energy sources "booming" without government handouts if they were in fact viable alternatives. Really?? For a person mistrustful of the government for other reasons, you are being a bit naive if you think for minute that the government doesn't "discourage" cheaper, cleaner alternatives to fossil fuels. Tell me I'm wrong on that assumption..... please.

[El Kabong]

Why should helping people be polarizing? The point is people are dying of dysentery and it doesn't have to be the case. People are still dying of Polio in Afghanistan & Pakistan as tribal leaders won't allow for vaccinations because the shots turn their women into whores....these are diseases that can be cured & prevented but no we want to focus on something which MAY or MAY NOT be happening and which we MAY or MAY NOT be able to prevent....do you see the problem here? We know for a fact we can save lives and yet we're focused on hurting the poor & middle class....I would have thought someone who was for more progressive means of taxation would no doubt see how illogical the Anthropogenic Global Warming agenda is. These people oppose the Keystone Pipeline for environmental reasons and then when they were appeased about how safe the pipeline would be they opposed it all the same just because it would allow for the consumption of fuel.....fuel that would be refined & used anyway. Fuel that would provide jobs & more than likely lower the cost of gas....does that not strike you as just completely idiotic and morally corrupt?

Again about George W. Bush, NEWSFLASH he's not President anymore!!! Fucking get over it!!! I wish he was President again #1 He would actually be held responsible for his actions and #2 He'd probably do a better job than Obama.

[TitoFan]

Not surprisingly, you missed my first point. Forget Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan. 99.9999% of the civilized world agrees that something should be done to combat disease and famine in those countries... the only issues are the "how" and the amount of money to spend.

Back to the point.... global warming. A doomsday prophecy for a hysterical some.... a meaningless, annoying gnat of an issue to be swatted for insensitive others.... and a real problem which requires further studies and solutions for the remaining logical population (my group ). So the environmental "alarmists" were "appeased" about how safe the Keystone Pipeline would be? Only to oppose it now because it would "allow for the consumption of fuel"? (Your words). Hmm... sounds fishy to me.

When did this "appeasement" happen? Were all concerns regarding spills in sensitive areas, potentially caused by seismic activity.... were all concerns regarding greenhouse emissions from the extraction of petroleum from tar sands..... were all those concerns officially laid to rest? What day did that happen? I mean... an event like that would've made headlines across the country: "Keystone Pipeline declared no longer a threat to the environment or global warming!" Details at 11.

And now these bad alarmists all of sudden are taking it all back... their approval, I mean... because the pipeline is going to provide oil for consumption. The bastards!!

And all of this happening against the ever present backdrop of the human race squeezing the living shit out of every reachable shale rock for every drop of oil that can be squeezed, while at the same time brushing aside any alternatives that might lower the multi-billion dollar profits made by the oil moguls by a couple of percentage points.

Did you use the phrase "idiotic and morally corrupt"?
Would you care to dust it off again?

And yeah..... Bush is long gone (thank God).
Jed Clampett with a college degree and a famous daddy.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

[TitoFan]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

[El Kabong]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

beaucoup*

The Keystone pipeline is supposed to get oil from Canada damnit! And the Greenies oppose it.

We need to cut off any & all funding that props up the Saudi Royal Family...they aren't good people. America shouldn't be an "Oil Prude" nation, we expect others to drill & refine, why don't we do it ourselves? We've got the technology, we've got the oil & gas.

Alternative energy is a hoax why else would the Kennedy's (who loooove them some Global Warming) keep windfarms away from their property? If it would help save the Earth one would think they would accept those big ass wind turbines gladly, but they didn't. Al Gore doesn't use alternative energy to go take him to give speeches, why is that? Al Gore has a HUGE carbon footprint but we're supposed to think he's out to save the world with his bullshit power points presentation?

[TitoFan]

Do you understand who we buy gas & oil from because of these assholes won't allow for drilling or refining

Venezuela?

Kidding. I know where you're coming from. All the more reason to go full speed ahead on developing alternative energy. I know it won't completely substitute oil, but every little bit helps. For the time being, yes... we need to keep pumping from "friendly" places. No one enjoys depending even one bit on the Arab nations for oil. We got boocoo drilling rigs in the Gulf... and if we can responsibly extract oil from Canada, so be it.

My only point is we can't go to sleep on knowing we're OK on oil for the time being.
We got to think about the future, both ours and future generations.

beaucoup*

The Keystone pipeline is supposed to get oil from Canada damnit! (I said "responsibly". Did that part just slip through the cracks? I know where the Keystone pipeline originates). And the Greenies oppose it.

We need to cut off any & all funding that props up the Saudi Royal Family...they aren't good people. America shouldn't be an "Oil Prude" nation, we expect others to drill & refine, why don't we do it ourselves? We've got the technology, we've got the oil & gas. (Yeah... everybody else is doing it. So let's just continue irresponsibly squeezing the living shit out the last ounce of oil left on the planet. Who gives a flying fuck about future generations? Drill away!!!)

Alternative energy is a hoax why else would the Kennedy's (who loooove them some Global Warming) keep windfarms away from their property? (Uhhh.... because they're filthy rich and could give 3 shits about saving money on energy? Because windfarms aren't aesthetically appealing? Just a thought). If it would help save the Earth one would think they would accept those big ass wind turbines gladly, but they didn't. Al Gore doesn't use alternative energy to go take him to give speeches, why is that? Al Gore has a HUGE carbon footprint but we're supposed to think he's out to save the world with his bullshit power points presentation? (Al Gore, Al Gore, Al Gore. Let's just pick out some "easy-to-shit-on" clown and make him the poster boy for environmentalists. THAT way, we can shit on the environment and lump Al Gore with anyone who speaks up about it. Good strategy, by the way).

You're reaching, but ok...

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[greynotsoold]

The problem with the Keystone pipeline is that it is meant to move oil to ports so that it can be sold abroad; it by passes US refineries.
I quit taking 'global warming' seriously when I read that buying 'carbon credits' was forecast to become a $3trillion industry.

[El Kabong]

How are we supposed to "responsibly" transport the oil sands from Canada to the refineries in the US? Is a pipeline irresponsible? I don't believe it is, i think it's a perfectly reasonable & rational way to transport the oil.

Again "irresponsibly" what's irresponsible about drilling in the United States? Is it easier or harder to clean up an oil spill that happens on land as opposed to one that happens a few miles underwater in the Gulf? Also once again Alternative fuels aren't effective enough or cheap enough.

Windfarms don't "save money" on energy & the Kennedy family have been some of the biggest supporters of "Green Energy"...windfarms are good enough for the Bourgeous but not good enough for the Elites, typical liberalism.

Al Gore is the poster child for Anthropogenic Global Warming, he has lied about it, made millions off it, and yet continues to fly around in his jet going from college to college to spread this horse shit to young idiot students who buy it hook line & sinker! That is why I constantly bring up Al Gore! Everyone else is just attempting to be another Al Gore.


When we talk about Alternative Fuels you have to understand at this moment right now the world (not just the United States) the WORLD runs on gas & oil. Complaining that there are no alternatives that are efficient enough or cheap enough at the moment is like cursing at a Neaderthal for using fire when you think he should use a light bulb....the technology is being worked on, it's having the ever living shit subsidized out of it and it's simply not ready so why waste money putting these bullshit alternatives that aren't good enough into place when more people can be helped with gas & oil.

Also the idea of "fossil fuels" is pretty laughable as well, they are simple abiotic hydrocarbons....how many fucking dinosaurs would it have taken to create the 18.83 million barrels of oil that the United States uses in 1 day or the 85 million barrels the entire World uses in one day? You think solar & wind can put a dent in that kind of usage