Mexican Giovani Segura destroys Puerto Rican Jonathan Gonzalez

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 04:51 AM

Expected outcome. Gonzalez was in over his head. Looks like Calderon taught him well

**Jerry Rice** · 08-18-2013 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Expected outcome. Gonzalez was in over his head. Looks like Calderon taught him well

Love the title.

**Scott22** · 08-18-2013 04:59 AM

Gonzalez was out classed

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Rice

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Expected outcome. Gonzalez was in over his head. Looks like Calderon taught him well

Love the title.

Nothing but facts in the title

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Scott22

Gonzalez was out classed

He sure was. It's a shame too. I actually liked Gonzalez. Though he had the skills to win a title. But I don't see that happening any more. I doubt he gets over this annihilation

**Scott22** · 08-18-2013 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Scott22

Gonzalez was out classed

He sure was. It's a shame too. I actually liked Gonzalez. Though he had the skills to win a title. But I don't see that happening any more. I doubt he gets over this annihilation

It will be hard but he's young to overcome it. Hopefully he takes this as a learning experience and comes back stronger and better. He showed get courage in taking the fight this early in his life.

**Jerry Rice** · 08-18-2013 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Jerry Rice

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Expected outcome. Gonzalez was in over his head. Looks like Calderon taught him well

Love the title.

Nothing but facts in the title

You secretly want to be apart of the Rican movement

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Scott22

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Scott22

Gonzalez was out classed

He sure was. It's a shame too. I actually liked Gonzalez. Though he had the skills to win a title. But I don't see that happening any more. I doubt he gets over this annihilation

It will be hard but he's young to overcome it. Hopefully he takes this as a learning experience and comes back stronger and better. He showed get courage in taking the fight this early in his life.

It's easy to confuse courage with stupidity. This wasn't courage. This was stupidity. Not sure who the bigger idiot is. Gonzalez for thinking he could beat Segura or Gonzalez's people for making the fight. At 22 with only 14 fights he had no business being in the ring with Segura. He had never beaten a D level fighter. What the fuck made them think he could beat a former pound for pound fighter like Segura? Not only was he not ready he wasn't even close to being ready. And after the beating he took, I doubt he ever will be. There was no courage shown here. Just great stupidity.

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Rice

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Jerry Rice

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Expected outcome. Gonzalez was in over his head. Looks like Calderon taught him well

Love the title.

Nothing but facts in the title

You secretly want to be apart of the Rican movement

i'm just talking Boxing. No need for insults

Addicted to_boxing · 08-18-2013 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Scott22

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Scott22

Gonzalez was out classed

He sure was. It's a shame too. I actually liked Gonzalez. Though he had the skills to win a title. But I don't see that happening any more. I doubt he gets over this annihilation

It will be hard but he's young to overcome it. Hopefully he takes this as a learning experience and comes back stronger and better. He showed get courage in taking the fight this early in his life.

It's easy to confuse courage with stupidity. This wasn't courage. This was stupidity. Not sure who the bigger idiot is. Gonzalez for thinking he could beat Segura or Gonzalez's people for making the fight. At 22 with only 14 fights he had no business being in the ring with Segura. He had never beaten a D level fighter. What the fuck made them think he could beat a former pound for pound fighter like Segura? Not only was he not ready he wasn't even close to being ready. And after the beating he took, I doubt he ever will be. There was no courage shown here. Just great stupidity.

Amen

**Violent Demise** · 08-18-2013 11:07 PM

I saw the fight last night on my way out. I assumed it ended when Gonzalez went down in the 4th. But after watching it again this morning and giving it my full attention I see that wasn't the case. That was just the first knock down. Gonzalez got up and showed everybody exactly what Ivan Calderon taught him. He went down again and quit. He very clearly could of gotten up but decided against it. He had enough and just wanted to go home to his mommy were it's safe. Gonzalez possess a nice set of skills. But he won't go far. This fight showed he wasn't ready. He's easily discouraged. Can't handle adversity. And he has no heart. Not even a supporting crowd and a skanless, crocked referee was enough to overcome his shortcomings.

**oakleyno1** · 08-18-2013 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I saw the fight last night on my way out. I assumed it ended when Gonzalez went down in the 4th. But after watching it again this morning and giving it my full attention I see that wasn't the case. That was just the first knock down. Gonzalez got up and showed everybody exactly what Ivan Calderon taught him. He went down again and quit. He very clearly could of gotten up but decided against it. He had enough and just wanted to go home to his mommy were it's safe. Gonzalez possess a nice set of skills. But he won't go far. This fight showed he wasn't ready. He's easily discouraged. Can't handle adversity. And he has no heart. Not even a supporting crowd and a skanless, crocked referee was enough to overcome his shortcomings.

so quitting wasn't Gonzalez getting over his 'stupidity' as you put it and becoming sensible knowing he was going to take even more of a beating - seems he can't win with you either whatever he has decided to do!

**Violent Demise** · 08-19-2013 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by oakleyno1

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I saw the fight last night on my way out. I assumed it ended when Gonzalez went down in the 4th. But after watching it again this morning and giving it my full attention I see that wasn't the case. That was just the first knock down. Gonzalez got up and showed everybody exactly what Ivan Calderon taught him. He went down again and quit. He very clearly could of gotten up but decided against it. He had enough and just wanted to go home to his mommy were it's safe. Gonzalez possess a nice set of skills. But he won't go far. This fight showed he wasn't ready. He's easily discouraged. Can't handle adversity. And he has no heart. Not even a supporting crowd and a skanless, crocked referee was enough to overcome his shortcomings.

so quitting wasn't Gonzalez getting over his 'stupidity' as you put it and becoming sensible knowing he was going to take even more of a beating - seems he can't win with you either whatever he has decided to do!

He had already made the stupid decision of getting in the ring with Segura. Might as well give it your best. Should of settle for just being an idiot. Now he's an idiot who quits. You might find that acceptable. I don't.