Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????

[Jerry Rice]

Now Tito recieved a 10 million dollar purse for the De La Hoya fight, after his victory he was looking for a rematch with Oscar that would swap the purses of the first fight giving him 20 million and giving Oscar 10, Oscar having just as extreme ego as Tito if not more refused Trinidads offer, I don't know how close they came behind doors to an agreement or if either fighter ever budged on his demands but the fight fell through, after that he never showed interest in fighting Oscar again.


With RJJ Tito had some weird fascination with, he had begun to talk about fighting RJJ while still at WW, he vacated 154 in less than a year in an ambitious move to MW, had he beat Hopkins he would have fought Roy at a catchweight, he thought Roy was the ultimate measuring stick for his success. Finally after a decade of obsession he finally got his wish.

[J_Undisputed]

Roy was untouched at that point. Oscar had been dropped by a few people, despite winning. Roy was probably not attached to a big name promoter at the time (not sure if he was still with Murad or already self promoted). The price was cheaper, the reward greater in terms of notoriety (he already beat oscar). They were both country boys plain and simple. No hyping bs. I think it all came down to tito having a greater respect for roy and where his weight may have been taking him.

[Master]

Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.

He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.

[klompton]

He was jousting at windmills.

[Vendettos]

Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.

He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.

To be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.

[ykdadamaja]

Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.

He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... he did carry some of his power. But the fact of the Hopkins fight, as with all B-Hop fights, NO ONE hits Hopkins cleanly.

When was the FIRST time you have ever seen Hopkins hit cleanly and hard?? Not even in the Dawson fight or the Calzaghe fight.

No one hits B-Hop. No one knew when he fought Tito back then about how GOOD B-Hop really is/was.

Sure, most of his fight stink. Downright boring. But no one hits B-Hop cleanly for 12 rounds. No one! Give B-Hop some credit rather than taking away from Tito and his "so called" lack of power when he moved up!

[J_Undisputed]

Hopkins is not untouchable. Pascal of all people proved that when he flailed him down a few times. Hopkins was a naturally bigger guy used to taking middle weight punches. Add to that they worked over Tito before the fight. Naseem richardson and the hand wrap controversy, the squabbles at the press conferences, the flag throwing issue. It was all done intentionally to wear Tito down. Tito was raging..and had the pressure of a whole island on his shoulders.

Did they need that to beat Tito? probably not Tito is a fairly straight ahead fighter and hopkins is going to work over a fighter like that with fouling, talking and smothering and working a kid like Tito (who needs room to punch) over on the inside. So it wasn't necessary but good insurance. The deck was stacked against Tito by the time the bell range for round 1 but the promotion made things seem much more even.

[ruthless rocco]

tito also knew he got a gift against oscar and that oscar wouldn't have eased off towards the end if there was second fight.

[Jerry Rice]

Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.

He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.

To be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.

Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.

[Jerry Rice]

Tito beat Oscar so he had less to prove and more to lose.

He wanted Jones because he probably thought he could carry his punch up the weights but Hopkins told him different.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... he did carry some of his power. But the fact of the Hopkins fight, as with all B-Hop fights, NO ONE hits Hopkins cleanly.

When was the FIRST time you have ever seen Hopkins hit cleanly and hard?? Not even in the Dawson fight or the Calzaghe fight.

No one hits B-Hop. No one knew when he fought Tito back then about how GOOD B-Hop really is/was.

Sure, most of his fight stink. Downright boring. But no one hits B-Hop cleanly for 12 rounds. No one! Give B-Hop some credit rather than taking away from Tito and his "so called" lack of power when he moved up!

I saw the Tito-Hopkins fight, believe me Hopkins got hit, Tito punch didn't effect him much.

[Jerry Rice]

tito also knew he got a gift against oscar and that oscar wouldn't have eased off towards the end if there was second fight.

I wouldn't call running around the ring for dear life " eased off ", he was tired and figured that was his best way to finish the fight.

[Beanflicker]

Naseem richardson and the hand wrap controversy, the squabbles at the press conferences, the flag throwing issue. It was all done intentionally to wear Tito down. Tito was raging..and had the pressure of a whole island on his shoulders.

If Tito got thrown off by that bush league stuff, then he isn't championship material IMO. If all an opponent needs to do to throw you off your game is throw a minature flag, you SUCK.

Tito got whipped by a superior fighter, plain and simple.

[Jerry Rice]

Naseem richardson and the hand wrap controversy, the squabbles at the press conferences, the flag throwing issue. It was all done intentionally to wear Tito down. Tito was raging..and had the pressure of a whole island on his shoulders.

If Tito got thrown off by that bush league stuff, then he isn't championship material IMO. If all an opponent needs to do to throw you off your game is throw a minature flag, you SUCK.

Tito got whipped by a superior fighter, plain and simple.

Advantages at height, reach, weight, etc had more to do with it.

[Beanflicker]

Of course they were advantages, but p4p Bhop is a much better fighter than Tito ever was. The best fighter won. Bhop made Tito look like a scared little boy in there, like he did to a ton of guys before and after Tito.

Tito showed brutal power in obliterating guys at 154 and then Joppy at MW, and Joppy was a big, strapping, durable MW, so I don't buy this "he never carried his power up to MW" thing.

[Jerry Rice]

Of course they were advantages, but p4p Bhop is a much better fighter than Tito ever was. The best fighter won. Bhop made Tito look like a scared little boy in there, like he did to a ton of guys before and after Tito.

Tito showed brutal power in obliterating guys at 154 and then Joppy at MW, and Joppy was a big, strapping, durable MW, so I don't buy this "he never carried his power up to MW" thing.

NO, the BIGGER fighter won, you think he made Tito look like a scared little boy lol That guy had no surrender in him the whole fight he never stopped moving forward and showed a tone of heart despite all the punishment he took, you want to see a scared little boy watch the De La Hoya - Hopkins fight and watch Oscar pound on the canvas over a tap on the ribs.


So since Trinidad beat Joppy you think he was a natural MW ? WTF, in that case I guess RJJ was a natural heavyweight since he beat Ruiz, I guess Pac was a natural JMW since he beat Margarito, lol.