How much is too much?

[beenKOed]

Boxing is a tough sport with the potential to shorten fighters lives or leave them a physical or mental wreck so I've never thought about what they are paid, whatever the market will bear has always seemed fair to me.
Some boxers are underpaid and some are overpaid. I still feel the same way but can understand how some of you might feel different, so what do you think? In general how do you feel about boxers pay? Do you think we should even discuss their pay?

[Master]

It is a business and you get paid what you can demand. Floyd has negociated an excellent contract and is vastly overpaid for the entertainment he provides. Fair play to him for getting the deal with the stupid excecutive who negociated it. Fan's have to pay for his error.

Most fighters that are not top of the ppv pyramid and get paid what they are worth.

Some fighters who are rare get very little for what they are worth Kov and possibly GGG should get more than they currently getting for who they are beating.

[SlimTrae]

Diddo the Master.

[Beanflicker]

Well as an MMA fan, I've always marvelled at what boxers get paid as compared to UFC fighters.

The issue to me isn't what boxers get paid, it's what boxers get to KEEP of that pay.

For so long promoters and managers were talking so much of the proceeds it was sickening to see what kind of piece the fighter was left after the taxman and everyone else took a bite.

That's why I'm so happy to see what Floyd has done and hope that more fighters can follow in his footsteps, enterprise a bit and keep more of their purse.

[greynotsoold]

A lot of fighters give away a lot at the beginning. The money to spend a month in LA for good sparring, or to send him to Houston ( or wherever) to work with a trainer, or to support the fighter so all he has to do is train...that all comes from some place.
The guys that supply it take a risk- most fighters never make big money- and they want a return on the investment. Nobody likes giving up points but lack of resources has finished off more potentially good fighters than sneak left hooks.

[beenKOed]

One of the reasons I thought of the thread is that I was reading where Floyd told RRR that when she earns 300,000,000.00 for 36 mins work she can come and see him. Lol
I don't begrudge him the money, if I could do it I would, but if someone said that was too much money for 36 mins work I wouldn't argue long or hard.

[Beanflicker]

One of the reasons I thought of the thread is that I was reading where Floyd told RRR that when she earns 300,000,000.00 for 36 mins work she can come and see him. Lol
I don't begrudge him the money, if I could do it I would, but if someone said that was too much money for 36 mins work I wouldn't argue long or hard.

I think Floyd has a pretty cool story (if you forget about the woman beating and being a douche bag).

He started his career immediately in the shadow of De La Hoya. DLH was the gold medalist, Floyd was the bronze. If you watch Floyd's debut fight, the announcers talk about the difference between Floyd's debut purse and DLH's (DLH obviously made a lot more). He spent most of his career trying to get big fights and having the stars turn him down.

He's handled by a guy in Arum who is constantly telling him "listen kid, you're a great talent but you're not going to be a star, you don't have the personality or the fan-friendly style, you're not fighting Oscar, ect". Floyd says fuck you, hands Arum 700k to get out of his contract, creates his own team, and becomes the biggest draw in boxing history and the highest paid athlete in the world. He did the press thing, Dancing with the Stars, Wrestlemania, ect and made himself into a house-hold name.

He wasn't an immediate superstar like DLH and SRL, nobody handed him anything on a silver platter. He got to where he is by making the right moves and being an amazing talent. So I say good for him. If you're selling 4.5 million PPVs at $100 a pop, then you get to make 300 million. I'd rather see Floyd and Manny getting the 9 figure paydays then the stooges behind the scenes.

[TitoFan]

One of the reasons I thought of the thread is that I was reading where Floyd told RRR that when she earns 300,000,000.00 for 36 mins work she can come and see him. Lol
I don't begrudge him the money, if I could do it I would, but if someone said that was too much money for 36 mins work I wouldn't argue long or hard.

It sounds good... but it's technically not correct. There's no fight without training camp, so basically every minute spent in training camp must be figured in. Let's be very conservative and say he spends 3 months training, 5 days a week, 40-hour weeks. That would still come out to about $10.4k per minute, which is not a bad chunk of change, either.

On another note, I saw the interview and it was funny to see Floyd dissing Rhonda and using the money angle.
It made him look like a petty jerk.

[Beanflicker]

On another note, I saw the interview and it was funny to see Floyd dissing Rhonda and using the money angle.
It made him look like a petty jerk.

He did the same thing when 50 Cent accused him of not being able to read.

In Floyd's mind, making a ton of money is what makes a person.

[Spicoli]

As with any occupation all the power to anyone who maximizes earning potential and legitimately rakes in every cent he can. That said its easy to begrudge a guy when he's wiping his arse with 100 bills or flaunting mouth pieces that are 25k a pop. The ppv portion has become redunculous. One thing that kills me is when earning amount is pointed to as a sign of a guys 'greatness'. Being punched in the face for a living should always come with thought of an eventual exit door and having a pot to piss in when its all said and done but tragically that's often not the case. Its very much a sport of the haves and the have not's with way to much being handed off to yes men, moochers and inept sanctioning bodies on both sides.

[Maravilla2012]

I think there should be a clause in their contract with their promoter or manager to protect the fight like some type of health benefits if the promoter is taking a huge chunk of the fighters purse he should pay a certain percentage of the fights health bills if something were to occur to him.

[greynotsoold]

One of the reasons I thought of the thread is that I was reading where Floyd told RRR that when she earns 300,000,000.00 for 36 mins work she can come and see him. Lol
I don't begrudge him the money, if I could do it I would, but if someone said that was too much money for 36 mins work I wouldn't argue long or hard.

It sounds good... but it's technically not correct. There's no fight without training camp, so basically every minute spent in training camp must be figured in. Let's be very conservative and say he spends 3 months training, 5 days a week, 40-hour weeks. That would still come out to about $10.4k per minute, which is not a bad chunk of change, either.

On another note, I saw the interview and it was funny to see Floyd dissing Rhonda and using the money angle.
It made him look like a petty jerk.

It isn't training camp. It is the day to day that leads to that. On your way up you train every day, twice a day. You spar 2-3 times a week. And you need good sparring. Trust me, nobody is at the Wild Card because roach is a great trainer. They are there because everybody else is; good sparring. And it runs in cycles, depending on who weighs what and where they are at.
Those expenses add up.

[Spicoli]

I think there should be a clause in their contract with their promoter or manager to protect the fight like some type of health benefits if the promoter is taking a huge chunk of the fighters purse he should pay a certain percentage of the fights health bills if something were to occur to him.

Absolutely, even a basic designated retirement fund. Then again we're talking about some promoters and commissions who cannot even ensure proper event safety. I remember Gerry Cooney trying to initiate some after career health and job training program of some sort yrs ago but in an individual sport it has to be daunting as we know how tribal and arse backwards the sport is in the first place. Any reform has to begin at the top. We need a top.

[TitoFan]

One of the reasons I thought of the thread is that I was reading where Floyd told RRR that when she earns 300,000,000.00 for 36 mins work she can come and see him. Lol
I don't begrudge him the money, if I could do it I would, but if someone said that was too much money for 36 mins work I wouldn't argue long or hard.

It sounds good... but it's technically not correct. There's no fight without training camp, so basically every minute spent in training camp must be figured in. Let's be very conservative and say he spends 3 months training, 5 days a week, 40-hour weeks. That would still come out to about $10.4k per minute, which is not a bad chunk of change, either.

On another note, I saw the interview and it was funny to see Floyd dissing Rhonda and using the money angle.
It made him look like a petty jerk.

It isn't training camp. It is the day to day that leads to that. On your way up you train every day, twice a day. You spar 2-3 times a week. And you need good sparring. Trust me, nobody is at the Wild Card because roach is a great trainer. They are there because everybody else is; good sparring. And it runs in cycles, depending on who weighs what and where they are at.
Those expenses add up.

My point is he's not getting paid $300 million (or whatever) only for 36 minutes of work. There's thousands and thousands of minutes involved in getting him ready for the fight, which in my mind starts when the fight is signed. Add those up... and you have a better idea of how much he's getting paid per minute.

[sanatogen]

Absolutely, even a basic designated retirement fund. Then again we're talking about some promoters and commissions who cannot even ensure proper event safety. I remember Gerry Cooney trying to initiate some after career health and job training program of some sort yrs ago but in an individual sport it has to be daunting as we know how tribal and arse backwards the sport is in the first place. Any reform has to begin at the top. We need a top.

Doesnt that exists already? Am sure I heard talk of this over a decade ago. Perhaps it was just talk.