Non-British perspective: Froch easier to like than was Calzaghe

[Althugz]

I genuinely believe it. Calzaghe for me is the best fighter I have ever seen and like others on here I have seen my share of fights and fighters. You put him in with someone who will trade and he will beat you to the punch and get more off, put him in with someone who will spoil and he will outwork you. He will adapt to any fighter and also be better looking to boot. I rate Calzaghe over Mayweather and always have. Mayweather is cute, but Calzaghe will still throw 80 punches a round your way. If Cotto and DLH can win rounds Calzaghe takes far more. Mayweather loses on points and there is nothing he can do.

I am a Calzaghe fan and am proud of it. The man was ballet, he was poetry, he was a druggy and he could cut up the space time continuum with effortless grace and was also a bit Welsh sounding. He was like nothing before and nothing to come and will live on within You Tube until the eventual ending of man and the return back to pre digital harmony. He will also likely live for several decades more and continue to be a fine looking man with a bigger penis than ElFinito.

I'm sorry, I like you and all that Miles but that first paragraph made me sick in my mouth a little. That would never, ever, ever happen.

1) Calzaghe would never fight Floyd if they were in the same weight class and both prime.
2) Floyd would make Calzaghe look absolutely stupid. You can throw punches in bunches against most fighters and land the odd slap, but if Manfredo was riding and slipping those shots, what the hell do you think Floyd would do with those counter hooks and uppers? P4P it's a huge mismatch.
3) Calzaghe adapts? Floyd is the master at adapting..You wanna brawl? He'll counter the shit out of you ala Jesus Chavez. You wanna throw 100 punches a round? He'll make you miss and win the round by throwing 30-40 accurate shots. You wanna box? Don't be stupid. You mention Cotto and DLH - Both fighters lost and the same would happen to JC. I guarantee his output falls against Floyd when he realises throwing a hundred hand slap like E.Honda doesn't work against Floyd.

Long, stiff jabs work against Floyd. That's where DLH and Cotto were successful. JC has nothing of the sort.

[Fenster]

lol at people slagging the shit out of Calzaghe then revealing they haven't even seen his fights

Makes sense. Fact.

[Fenster]

Also Ross, thanks for those Eubank highlights. Never saw that fight apart from the first knockdown. I never thought this before but I think Eubank would have done him in his prime. That was Eubank on 2 weeks notice at the tail end of his career..hitting him with some big shots. Calzaghe was out on his feet in that 12th round with Eubanks last shot.

I actually think the later style of Calzaghe fares much better against any version of Eubank..But his early gun-ho style, prime Eubank would have knocked him out.

2 weeks notice to make 168. He was already fighting on the bill against Mark Prince.

Calzaghe had never been past 8 rounds and was taking a huge step up in class.

Lets get things in perspective.

[erics44]

i was actually interested when i read the title of this thread because I agree that, although I am/was a calzaghe fan, I think i am a bigger froch fan for various reasons

then i open the thread and it is just some stupid retarded view on how calazaghes carear was crap

yawn

[TitoFan]

lol at people slagging the shit out of Calzaghe then revealing they haven't even seen his fights

Makes sense. Fact.

Glad you see it my way. Give me the name of any fighter for which you've seen all of his fights. Of course you'll lie and name a few. I've been a fan of boxing for many years, and have never claimed to have seen every single fight of any fighter. Then again, I don't lie just so I can be popular.

Let's just say that the few fights I did see... I didn't like. Just like you don't like some of the fighters I like... I happen not to like Calzaghe. Don't like Hatton, either. And before you say it's a British thing, I'll say that I do like Froch, was a big fan of Lennox... and like to see Khan fight (until he opens his mouth to say his ridiculous things).

You may have a lot of pull around here. But you still come across as irritating and obnoxious.
Fact.

[Master]

Shame Joe never went after the boring but fight controlling German at the time it would of iced the cake.

That is exactly the criticism I would have with Joe, he could have beaten Sven Ottke easily in Germany with one hand tied behind his back. He should have done it and left no doubt.

[Fenster]

Titofan,

Sorry I upset you so much.

I don't care who you like or dislike.

For the record - I've seen the entire career of plenty of fighters

[Fenster]

Shame Joe never went after the boring but fight controlling German at the time it would of iced the cake.

That is exactly the criticism I would have with Joe, he could have beaten Sven Ottke easily in Germany with one hand tied behind his back. He should have done it and left no doubt.

Takes two to tango.

[Master]

Shame Joe never went after the boring but fight controlling German at the time it would of iced the cake.

That is exactly the criticism I would have with Joe, he could have beaten Sven Ottke easily in Germany with one hand tied behind his back. He should have done it and left no doubt.

Takes two to tango.

Joe should have taken whatever was offered instead of taking on hand me downs from Sven. Ottke got rated higher than Joe after he unified 2 of the titles. That was shameful for Joe, I would have shot myself.

[p4pking]

Shame Joe never went after the boring but fight controlling German at the time it would of iced the cake.

That is exactly the criticism I would have with Joe, he could have beaten Sven Ottke easily in Germany with one hand tied behind his back. He should have done it and left no doubt.

Takes two to tango.

Joe should have taken whatever was offered instead of taking on hand me downs from Sven. Ottke got rated higher than Joe after he unified 2 of the titles. That was shameful for Joe, I would have shot myself.

Ottke's reign as a champion was far more shameful than anything Calzaghe ever did. Whether you beat him or not had nothing to do with coming out with the win in Germany, it was an absolute farce. Ottke was a skilled defensive fighter, but there's no way in hell he could have beaten Calzaghe at any point. To hold not taking that fight against Joe is dumb if you ask me, one would also hope Calzaghe would have rather taken on a big name in the States instead, had he chosen to travel at that point.

[TitoFan]

Titofan,

Sorry I upset you so much.

I don't care who you like or dislike.

For the record - I've seen the entire career of plenty of fighters

Again... you give yourself way too much credit. You annoy me briefly, until a more important thought occupies my mind. The entire process lasts a few seconds. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Dia bando]

lol at people slagging the shit out of Calzaghe then revealing they haven't even seen his fights

Makes sense. Fact.

I have seen him fight winning ABA titles, and in the pro ranks, remember him then winning ABA's thinking what a great fighter I was right then and now.
Froch is a good fighter at this moment in time,most of the one's that are slagging him off are Froch fan
Calzaghe is a far better boxer and all round fighter.
Point being Calzaghe faced 9 world Champions, and he faced them with bad hand's not bad for someone that was told you should not box again.

[Gandalf]

I genuinely believe it. Calzaghe for me is the best fighter I have ever seen and like others on here I have seen my share of fights and fighters. You put him in with someone who will trade and he will beat you to the punch and get more off, put him in with someone who will spoil and he will outwork you. He will adapt to any fighter and also be better looking to boot. I rate Calzaghe over Mayweather and always have. Mayweather is cute, but Calzaghe will still throw 80 punches a round your way. If Cotto and DLH can win rounds Calzaghe takes far more. Mayweather loses on points and there is nothing he can do.

I am a Calzaghe fan and am proud of it. The man was ballet, he was poetry, he was a druggy and he could cut up the space time continuum with effortless grace and was also a bit Welsh sounding. He was like nothing before and nothing to come and will live on within You Tube until the eventual ending of man and the return back to pre digital harmony. He will also likely live for several decades more and continue to be a fine looking man with a bigger penis than ElFinito.

I'm sorry, I like you and all that Miles but that first paragraph made me sick in my mouth a little. That would never, ever, ever happen.

1) Calzaghe would never fight Floyd if they were in the same weight class and both prime.
2) Floyd would make Calzaghe look absolutely stupid. You can throw punches in bunches against most fighters and land the odd slap, but if Manfredo was riding and slipping those shots, what the hell do you think Floyd would do with those counter hooks and uppers? P4P it's a huge mismatch.
3) Calzaghe adapts? Floyd is the master at adapting..You wanna brawl? He'll counter the shit out of you ala Jesus Chavez. You wanna throw 100 punches a round? He'll make you miss and win the round by throwing 30-40 accurate shots. You wanna box? Don't be stupid. You mention Cotto and DLH - Both fighters lost and the same would happen to JC. I guarantee his output falls against Floyd when he realises throwing a hundred hand slap like E.Honda doesn't work against Floyd.

Long, stiff jabs work against Floyd. That's where DLH and Cotto were successful. JC has nothing of the sort.

All just opinions at the end of the day.

1. Yes, he would.
2. Huge mismatch? Like Cotto was thoroughly outclassed, like DLH was thoroughly outclassed, like even Zab Judah who won 3 of 4 before becoming like the Judah we know and love. Calzaghe was leaps above each of these fighters and was unorthodox. Manfredo told us jack squat.
3. I don't see any similarity between Chavez and Calzaghe besides output. Mayweather will only lose by being outworked. Cotto and DLH have no stamina. Calzaghe has more stamina than everyone and is awkward. Chavez wasn't awkward he just threw.

Calzaghe 115-112 decision.

[p4pking]

Lol. Why 115-112, dare I ask Joe would probably win 8 rounds but get penalized in the 12th for his slightly Welsh accent and better looks, right? He was a great fighter but come on, there is no way in hell he was on Mayweathers level at any point. You merely need to open your eyes and divorce the personal biases to see so.

[ross]

I can also see Mayweather struggle with the combination of workrate, southpaw awkward agressive style. He spends too much time on the ropes amd unlike other fighters, Joe doesnt hesitate or think twice about taking his chances, if you give him time and space he will be pouring in the punches. Floyd would certainly have the hardest fight of his career on his hands and eould have to work every second as acounter right hand alone will not beat Joe. If it would then Hopkins would not habe done some of the most pitifull and shamefull acting like a wimp in the playground trying to get away from the bully by crying injury