Floyd top 3 G.O.A.T?

[gally]

Lets jus say floyd goes back on his word about retirement, and carries on for another few yrs, who does he have to beat? and how many wins undefeated does he need to be considered a G.O.A.T?
I personally dnt believe he has to be in great fights cuz he always gets the job done, but he does need 5 or 6 big name fights and a belt at another weight class. discuss

[killersheep]

Lets jus say floyd goes back on his word about retirement, and carries on for another few yrs, who does he have to beat? and how many wins undefeated does he need to be considered a G.O.A.T?
I personally dnt believe he has to be in great fights cuz he always gets the job done, but he does need 5 or 6 big name fights and a belt at another weight class. discuss

I think to get up to be a GOAT, floyd would have to do the following:

1) win a title at 154 before age 30
2) fight a big name fighter: ODLH
3) stay undefeated.
4) do something that's promotes boxing as a whole (instead of just himself)
5) Unify at a weight division (140, 147, 154 any will do)
6) The problem is that there aren't that many big reputable names that will do much for his legacy. Arguments can be made for Hatton, Margarito etc. but those are guys that can't be compared to the big name fights of yesteryear.

those are the first things that come to mind. I'm sure there are more, but to even be considered as part of this category he has a good 5 years worth of fights left, and it's not looking like that's gonna happen. I like floyd as a boxer, and I think he has the potential for it, but personally I don't have him in the top 50 for GOAT yet.

[Kev]

Lets jus say floyd goes back on his word about retirement, and carries on for another few yrs, who does he have to beat? and how many wins undefeated does he need to be considered a G.O.A.T?
I personally dnt believe he has to be in great fights cuz he always gets the job done, but he does need 5 or 6 big name fights and a belt at another weight class. discuss

I think to get up to be a GOAT, floyd would have to do the following:

1) win a title at 154 before age 30
2) fight a big name fighter: ODLH
3) stay undefeated.
4) do something that's promotes boxing as a whole (instead of just himself)
5) Unify at a weight division (140, 147, 154 any will do)
6) The problem is that there aren't that many big reputable names that will do much for his legacy. Arguments can be made for Hatton, Margarito etc. but those are guys that can't be compared to the big name fights of yesteryear.

those are the first things that come to mind. I'm sure there are more, but to even be considered as part of this category he has a good 5 years worth of fights left, and it's not looking like that's gonna happen. I like floyd as a boxer, and I think he has the potential for it, but personally I don't have him in the top 50 for GOAT yet.

Good analysis, I agree completely.

He needs to be at least a 5 weight world champ. He simply has to fight and beat both De La Hoya and Shane Mosely.

If he can unify a divison as well as staying undefeated he would be on course for a top 10 all time slot.

If he fails to fight De La Hoya and Mosely however, the only two fighters of whom you could make a case for them being great fighters, he will never be considered amongst even the top 30 of all time.

[killersheep]

Lets jus say floyd goes back on his word about retirement, and carries on for another few yrs, who does he have to beat? and how many wins undefeated does he need to be considered a G.O.A.T?
I personally dnt believe he has to be in great fights cuz he always gets the job done, but he does need 5 or 6 big name fights and a belt at another weight class. discuss

I think to get up to be a GOAT, floyd would have to do the following:

1) win a title at 154 before age 30
2) fight a big name fighter: ODLH
3) stay undefeated.
4) do something that's promotes boxing as a whole (instead of just himself)
5) Unify at a weight division (140, 147, 154 any will do)
6) The problem is that there aren't that many big reputable names that will do much for his legacy. Arguments can be made for Hatton, Margarito etc. but those are guys that can't be compared to the big name fights of yesteryear.

those are the first things that come to mind. I'm sure there are more, but to even be considered as part of this category he has a good 5 years worth of fights left, and it's not looking like that's gonna happen. I like floyd as a boxer, and I think he has the potential for it, but personally I don't have him in the top 50 for GOAT yet.

Good analysis, I agree completely.

He needs to be at least a 5 weight world champ. He simply has to fight and beat both De La Hoya and Shane Mosely.

If he can unify a divison as well as staying undefeated he would be on course for a top 10 all time slot.

If he fails to fight De La Hoya and Mosely however, the only two fighters of whom you could make a case for them being great fighters, he will never be considered amongst even the top 30 of all time.

thanks bro, I really like Floyd as a boxer and I rate him as THE most skilled fighter today, but there is much work to be done and it doesn't sound like he's going to stick around for all of it.

[El Kabong]

Nope, he never encountered much adversity and when he did encounter some he wasn't AS spectacular.

Compare him to these guys and you'll see he just doesn't stack up

"Sugar" Ray Robinson 173 (108 KO)-19-6
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Willie "Wil'o The Wisp" Pep 230 (65 KO)-11-1
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"Homicide Hank" Henry Armstrong 151(101 KO)-21-10
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Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran 103 (70 KO)-16-0
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"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1
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Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns 61 (48 KO)-5-1
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[gally]

cc lyle very true. im disapointed tho around yr 2000 i thought he had what it takes

[El Kabong]

Oh he sure did as did RJJ but in hindsight they just didn't take the right fights.

PBF - Mosley and ODH and to a lesser extent Hatton and Cotto

RJJ - Hopkins 2, Toney 2, Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski, Jirov, Holyfield (IMO a great fight that never happened), Tyson

Those guys just got caught up in the hype...for the TRUE greats what they did was NEVER good enough

[bcollins]

Nope, he never encountered much adversity and when he did encounter some he wasn't AS spectacular.

Compare him to these guys and you'll see he just doesn't stack up

"Sugar" Ray Robinson 173 (108 KO)-19-6

Willie "Wil'o The Wisp" Pep 230 (65 KO)-11-1

"Homicide Hank" Henry Armstrong 151(101 KO)-21-10

Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran 103 (70 KO)-16-0

"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1

Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns 61 (48 KO)-5-1

Absolutely right! Not even in the same league. I honestly think, prime for prime, any one of these would beat PBF.

It takes a lot more than top notch talent and a handful of decent fights to make a GOAT. Floyd still has a long, long, long way to go to be mentioned in the same sentence as these guys.

[El Gamo]

I totally agree with Lyle,those guys he mentioned fought the best to prove they are the best first and second,let's not get confused,Floyd IS the most talented fighter bar none but Erik MorLES,Oscar De La Hoya and Tito Trinidad all fough far far better level of opposition. Look at the depth of 147 and how man dangerous fighters there are,and you can't be an all time great beating guys like Mitchell,Brusseles etc etc. Like I said,supremely talented but NO WAY top GOAT!!! NO WAY!

[TyBuff]

IMO I dont care how many weight classes he has been champion in
1) I would like to see him unify a division and then dominate it till he retires.
2) Take them all on. If they have the nerve to call him out then get them in the ring and prove why they dont belong. Dont tell me they dont, prove it to me!!!!

[El Gamo]

IMO I dont care how many weight classes he has been champion in
1) I would like to see him unify a division and then dominate it till he retires.
2) Take them all on. If they have the nerve to call him out then get them in the ring and prove why they dont belong. Dont tell me they dont, prove it to me!!!!

Beautifully put bro,CC. I don't care about the multiple titles unless you beat the best in the division,the other champs,the dangermen. I didn't see Floyd fight Cotto,Hatton,Kostyza etc at 140 and at 147,out of Williams,Cintron,Margarito,Quintana,Collazo etc Mitchell,Zab after he lost to Baldo and Baldo? That is the stuff of legens,I think not first and second,I don't remember many of the legends asking how has so and so fought,what has he done to get a shot at me etc, they would just get the other guy in the ring and beat on him!

[killersheep]

IMO I dont care how many weight classes he has been champion in
1) I would like to see him unify a division and then dominate it till he retires.
2) Take them all on. If they have the nerve to call him out then get them in the ring and prove why they dont belong. Dont tell me they dont, prove it to me!!!!

I'd like to see him get another weight class first for the following reason, NOBODY HAS DONE IT befire turning 30. Combine that with the highlight points I made before and he would have a strong case for top 3 GOAT.

[El Gamo]

IMO I dont care how many weight classes he has been champion in
1) I would like to see him unify a division and then dominate it till he retires.
2) Take them all on. If they have the nerve to call him out then get them in the ring and prove why they dont belong. Dont tell me they dont, prove it to me!!!!

I'd like to see him get another weight class first for the following reason, NOBODY HAS DONE IT befire turning 30. Combine that with the highlight points I made before and he would have a strong case for top 3 GOAT.

Yeah but I don't see how it proves you are the greatest or one of the greatest? Did he beat the man in all those weight classes? Nobody has done it because may be it doesn't appeal to other boxers? I'd rather he stayed at WW and beat the guys I mentioned,that would prove you are the best,beating the best,the dangermen,the threats than move to 154 beat Spinks and boast about it.....

[El Kabong]

....not unless he fights someone dominant at 154

When Duran took up Welter he fought Leonard

When Taylor took up 140 he fought Chavez

When De la Hoya moved up to 147 he fought Whittaker

When Mosley moved up to 147 he fought Oscar

The guy has to BEAT THE BEST and so far in every weight class he's left people behind...you can't "cut in line" and become great


he beat Baldomir, the time has come to beat Margarito!!!

[El Gamo]

....not unless he fights someone dominant at 154

When Duran took up Welter he fought Leonard

When Taylor took up 140 he fought Chavez

When De la Hoya moved up to 147 he fought Whittaker

When Mosley moved up to 147 he fought Oscar

The guy has to BEAT THE BEST and so far in every weight class he's left people behind...you can't "cut in line" and become great


he beat Baldomir, the time has come to beat Margarito!!!

dam fricking right!!! CC bro,great post. That's what I was eluding to,he has not fought the best of every division and whether anyone likes Margarito or any of the other names i mentioned or not,they are the best WW on the planet and all are big strong WW's and all would have good fights with Floyd especially Margarito,I mean who wouldn't buy that fight?!