Hamed v Marquez

[Dark Lord Al]

Firstly its a disgrace JMM never got his shot at Naz , he was mandatory for like years.
Was Hamed scared of JMM ?
and if they fought who would have won , my guess is JMM would have schooled Hamed , but probabley had the POWER to score a late stoppage win . TKO 11
Wot are your guys opinions ?

[a harmful of swallows]

Fatty Fatty Big Tits fell from grace because his reputation for power couldn't help him when all the chips were down. He would've knocked down Marquez three times in the first round and then hung on for a close draw.

[Andre]

Fatty fatty big tits hahhahaa.

[Andre]

Marquez wasnt tested on all levels back then,he had great skills when he had his own way with people.
He wasnt tested out for a war like Barrera and Moralles were,so there were some unanswered questions .
So there eventually was Pac who tested him fully as he was caught cold;he showed he has heart a chin and better still skills that came out automatically when the cards were down which carried him through until he got his legs back.Thats a warrior built for war in my book. He will come out with a sweat on this time.
With all that in mind I recon he would of worn any of them down at the height of his time.
He would of schooled all commers in those days in my book.

[Tysonbruno]

Naz of 95-97 who used good boxing aswell as power would have ko'd Marquez early Naz of 98 onwards wins late stoppage or messy UD12.

[Bigsexy]

If i remember correctly JMM had a shot at NAZ but turned it down at the time. He was offered the shot too soon after coming off of a fight. I forget who his oponent was at the time, but Naz never ducked him.

[ICB]

If i remember correctly JMM had a shot at NAZ but turned it down at the time. He was offered the shot too soon after coming off of a fight. I forget who his oponent was at the time, but Naz never ducked him.

That is correct Naz did offer Marquez a fight but Marquez turned it down. Marquez was the number 1 contender for about 2 years.

[SweetPea]

I have no doubt that both Marquez and Morales would have defeated Hamed, if they had gotten the shot instead of Barrera.

That's not a knock on Naz, it's just acknowledgement that he wasn't on the level of the best Mexican featherweights.

[CutMeMick]

Is it that time of year again where we discuss this fight?

JMM was the mandatory a fight was offered to Naz he turned it down. Years later in 1999 after JMM lost to Norwood Naz in return offered a fight. JMM in return turned it down after the fact and now that he saw JMM loose.


Get the facts straight people....

I have no doubt that both Marquez and Morales would have defeated Hamed, if they had gotten the shot instead of Barrera.

That's not a knock on Naz, it's just acknowledgement that he wasn't on the level of the best Mexican featherweights.

I'm with you on this one.

[ICB]

What people must realize is that Marquez wasn't well known and it was a high risk/low reward fight for Naseem. Now im not trying to defend Naseem Hamed because i don't like him. But i can understand Naseem for not wanting to take the fight, if the fight did happen i think Marquez would have beaten him, because style makes fights and Marquez's counter punching style would be all wrong for Naseem Hamed.

To be fair to Marquez he had a few good wins before the Norwood fight, Agapito Sanchez, Julian Wheeler. But i think Marquez was very lucky in the Wheeler fight, Wheeler was ahead in the fight going into final round and the ref DQ Wheeler for holding and Marquez was awarded the TKO win which was quite bizarre.

[Andre]

Is it that time of year again where we discuss this fight?

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Yes it is there are new people here who wish to vent their Naztyness onto us.

[Fenster]

Is it that time of year again where we discuss this fight?

JMM was the mandatory a fight was offered to Naz he turned it down. Years later in 1999 after JMM lost to Norwood Naz in return offered a fight. JMM in return turned it down after the fact and now that he saw JMM loose.


Get the facts straight people....

So when Marquez was the mandatory with the boring rep Naz turned him down to pursue the other belt holders in the division.

But Naz said he'd give Marquez a chance later on, if he proved himself. Marquez failed. But Naz was still generous enough to offer Marquez a shot.

Marquez bottled it.

Is that right?

[CutMeMick]

Is it that time of year again where we discuss this fight?

JMM was the mandatory a fight was offered to Naz he turned it down. Years later in 1999 after JMM lost to Norwood Naz in return offered a fight. JMM in return turned it down after the fact and now that he saw JMM loose.


Get the facts straight people....

So when Marquez was the mandatory with the boring rep Naz turned him down to pursue the other belt holders in the division.

But Naz said he'd give Marquez a chance later on, if he proved himself. Marquez failed. But Naz was still generous enough to offer Marquez a shot.

Marquez bottled it.

Is that right?

You sir are correct.

JMM won the WBO NABO title in 1997 while Naz was the WBO champ since 1995.
In 1998-99 JMM was #1 challenger for the title a fight was offered and turned down by Naz.

Another bigger man without caring said I'll give JMM a shot at a title JMM fought for the WBA title and lost.

Once Naz saw that JMM lost and felt that was his opppourtunity to try and beat JMM, Naz made the offer.

So yes your right Naz didn't want none of JMM up until he saw JMM loose and Naz avoided JMM for the better part of 2 yrs.

Thank you for clarifying that to us.

[Fenster]

You're welcome.

After Marquez so miserably failed against Norwood he must of believed he'd never beat a fighter of Naz's high calibre.

What other reason could there possibly be for Marquez turning down Naz's generous offer?

[ICB]

You're welcome.

After Marquez so miserably failed against Norwood he must of believed he'd never beat a fighter of Naz's high calibre.

What other reason could there possibly be for Marquez turning down Naz's generous offer?

I see what your getting at Fenster and i do agree. Marquez was coming off a very ugly fight with Norwood. And Naseem was the top man at Featherweight so why would Marquez turn the offer down ?? i know Naseem did turn down Marquez's offer before that and yes Naz, did only offer Marquez the fight when he see Marquez didn't impress against Norwood. But if i was Marquez i would of taken that offer with both hands and i wouldn't of let go that was a big chance at super stardom for Marquez. And i can't see why he would turn it down.