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    Default Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    Let's compare and contrast Wladimir Klitschko's fight vs Sultan Ibragimov and Andy Lee's fight vs Brian Vera.


    Comparisons
    1: Wlad and Andy have similar styles and have similar skill levels given their opponents

    2: Sultan and Vera have similar styles and skill levels given their opponents

    So how does one fighter that totally outclasses their opponent win and another is beaten soundly?

    Contrasts
    1: Wlad knew the only way Sultan could win is either with a lucky punch OR if Sultan was able to draw Wlad into a brawl. That's what Andy Lee SHOULD have known.

    2: Andy Lee didn't see that his power didn't affect Vera as much as it had his previous opponents.

    3. Wladimir knew he COULD KO Sultan but he weighed options of getting caught with a lucky punch, tiring out, and being drawn into a brawl vs the option of going for the KO.

    Wladimir fought smart and because of that he won, he defended his title, won another and looks to prove himself as an exciting fighter later.

    Andy Lee suffered a setback because he was stubborn, he didn't think, and he got caught up in the hype and went for the KO not seeing the danger in his opponent more than likely due to Vera's limited skill.


    THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WIN AND A LOSS

    So give Wladimir a break when he fights a boring fight and wins he knows what the fuck he's doing....same with Floyd Mayweather Jr. only Floyd is an arrogant prick and Wlad isn't

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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    hehe When I saw the post title 'Why Lyle is right' I thought wow who would have posted THAT!

    Then I saw you posted it yourself lol.

    Actually I disagree with the comparative skill level bit.

    Sultan whether you like him or not was a legitimate belt holder, Vera couldn't even get beyond the first round in his quest for the Contender belt.

    Lee got exposed for me plain and simple. He will never be a great fighter.

    Wlad I agree fights smart now and prevents people from beating him but he's just not crowd pleasing as a result.

    Which is a shame as potentially he could be the most exciting fighter in the division and restore some excitiment back to the heavyweight division.

    He looks like Dolph Lungdren but fights as interestingly as Zahir Raheem

    Imagine how shit Rocky 4 would have been if Sly had given Drago Wlad's safety first mentality

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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    Where does the holding come in at?

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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Where does the holding come in at?
    ....oh I'm glad you asked....it comes in where you pick up a a bag of SHUT THE HELL UP

    hahaha....actually the holding and pushing off is a smart tactic and therefore beneficial for Andy Lee....he TRIED to do the right thing but he didn't put much on his jab to keep Vera off, he needed to push off and maybe he needs to get in the weight room so he's able to muscle up on a fighter like Vera.
    Last edited by El Kabong; 03-24-2008 at 12:46 AM.

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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    Ha, exactly my point Lyle

    If an opponent has to use their feet to get inside on a taller fighter, then a taller fighter should have to use their's to get outside on a shorter fighter. Until then, Wlad is wrong and so are you. In the words of the great Marv Levy, "you're dead wrong"


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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    Not especially....smaller fighters can use holding to stay on the inside AND use pushing off to corner taller fighters.



    You're wrong .....dead wrong

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    Default Re: Why Lyle is right (Wlad and Lee)

    While you are correct in saying Vera couldn't get past the first round in The Contender you must recognize that he was fighting at Super Middleweight and Jaidon Codrington is a HUGE puncher....he's not very skilled but he had enough power to rock Vera AND in The Contender the fighters don't train the way they are used to.

    Andy Lee is 23, he has had 16 fights, and Brian Vera was a very rough customer for him to get his first big test with. Sure Lee has shown his power and skill vs other fighters but given the point in his career where he is Brian Vera like it or not was a GIANT leap in competition, he's young, he's in his prime, he's fought legit super middleweights with skill and power on Andy Lee's current level, and he's only had ONE LOSS.

    Sure Brian Vera has probably overachieved in beating Andy Lee but the loss was more due to Andy Lee not fighting a smart fight....he's obviously Irish in that he's tough and he's stubborn but he has the skill set to achieve great things and I think with more training and more learning about the pro game he's going to have to claw his way back into the game but if you think about boxing there are not a lot of Roy Jones Jr.'s or Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s and there are more Bernard Hopkins' (lost his first fight), Pipino Cuevas' (lost 5 of his first 12 fights), and Alexis Arguello's (who was 23-3 at one time losing 2 fights by KO).

    Lots of GREAT fighters lose before they become great and I still think Andy Lee has the goods

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