Why the hatred against ODLH?

[Chino]

I have been curious about this for a while now here in the forum. I'll say 95% of the people on this forum utterly hate ODLH. I could understand why people would hate Mayweather, Naz, Mike Tyson, Hopkins, etc. I mean, they have shown to be talk trash about others, have no charisma, unrespectful, etc. Even outside the ring. But, OSCAR?! He is far from being a trash talk, having no charisma, being unrespectful, etc. He is a gentleman and has fought whoever, just look at his resume. He has brought boxing some of the most exciting fights.
It seems that everything he does is just wrong no matter what. Cotto faced a lesser opponent and everybody was happy. Oscar did the same thing and everybody thought that was the worse thing ever done. Someone can do whatever but if Oscar does the same then it is simply unacceptable. I don't understand.
Let's say Oscar wins his next last 2 fights. I wonder if people in this forum will admit that he did a good job with no excuse and give him credit.

Why do you hate Oscar?

[:::PSL:::]

I don't hate Oscar. I voted a decision win for him against Forbes. I wanted him to win against Floyd. He's way past his prime, and I think Cotto would do give him the worst physical beating of his life.

[Taeth]

I think its ridiculous to say that ODLH is way past his prime, sure he fights different than he used, but his is a little slower, but he has better defense. I don't think his power has diminished, I saw him landing left hooks to the body against Forbes similar to the body punches Cotto lands. Cotto has also had a hard time taking out some of his opponents, Paulie, N'Dou... whom a lot of people thought he would stop.

[Chino]

Pacstraightleft,
Yes, I also voted for his win against Forbes and even though I like Oscar I somehow was expecting him to knock this guy out. So I was a bit dissapointed considering he was a lesser opponent. Someone mentioned that Mayweather wouldn't knock him out as well. Still, the only thing I liked was that he jabbed more (30+ jabs per round) which was something he didn't do against Mayweather and somehow looked ok.
As for Oscar vs Cotto, after saturday, I see Cotto having a possibility to score a win. Cotto vs Mayweather, I find it hard to see Cotto win.

Oscar is a good fighter, no doubt, but he has gotten a bunch of gift decisions in his career to carry him when it other wise could have derailed it...

Gifts as well as the other way around. Trinidad, Mosley II, etc. Somehow don't convince me as LOSSES to Oscar. So if we are going to say he got gift decisions we have to also see the other side of the coin. Many boxers out there have gotten gift decisions but, like I said before, it seems "acceptable" as long as it is not Oscar.

He has become a rich, "white" (please don't take this out of context... It is here for a reason) CEO who as "hungry" as he claims to be is very self important and pretty much a bulshit artist...

I can't think of any boxer out there who wouldn't want to do whatever to get bigger paydays. And as for the "white" thing, isn't he Mexican? lol

Take a look at the Steve Forbes countdown... He took a sweat and tears gym and turned it into a billboard for goldenboy... He ruined the "rugged" gym that was there and replaced the ring and redid the whole thing... Is that what "going back to your roots" is?

And let's see the positive, HE MADE IT FREE and accessible to the fans. Something I am yet to see from ANY big name out there.

Is ODLH a good fighter? Yes...

That's good to hear. Many out there don't even want to admit that saying that he got handpicked opponents, he got lucky, fighters were not on their prime, his resume is mediocre, etc.
Taeth,
Not only that but Cotto has been rocked, cut, knocked down, about to have the fight stopped, etc. Against not only well-known fighters but also journeymen.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Pacstraightleft,
Yes, I also voted for his win against Forbes and even though I like Oscar I somehow was expecting him to knock this guy out. So I was a bit dissapointed considering he was a lesser opponent. Someone mentioned that Mayweather wouldn't knock him out as well. Still, the only thing I liked was that he jabbed more (30+ jabs per round) which was something he didn't do against Mayweather and somehow looked ok.
As for Oscar vs Cotto, after saturday, I see Cotto having a possibility to score a win. Cotto vs Mayweather, I find it hard to see Cotto win.

Oscar is a good fighter, no doubt, but he has gotten a bunch of gift decisions in his career to carry him when it other wise could have derailed it...

Gifts as well as the other way around. Trinidad, Mosley II, etc. Somehow don't convince me as LOSSES to Oscar. So if we are going to say he got gift decisions we have to also see the other side of the coin. Many boxers out there have gotten gift decisions but, like I said before, it seems "acceptable" as long as it is not Oscar.

He has become a rich, "white" (please don't take this out of context... It is here for a reason) CEO who as "hungry" as he claims to be is very self important and pretty much a bulshit artist...

I can't think of any boxer out there who wouldn't want to do whatever to get bigger paydays. And as for the "white" thing, isn't he Mexican? lol

Take a look at the Steve Forbes countdown... He took a sweat and tears gym and turned it into a billboard for goldenboy... He ruined the "rugged" gym that was there and replaced the ring and redid the whole thing... Is that what "going back to your roots" is?

And let's see the positive, HE MADE IT FREE and accessible to the fans. Something I am yet to see from ANY big name out there.

Is ODLH a good fighter? Yes...

That's good to hear. Many out there don't even want to admit that saying that he got handpicked opponents, he got lucky, fighters were not on their prime, his resume is mediocre, etc.
Taeth,
Not only that but Cotto has been rocked, cut, knocked down, about to have the fight stopped, etc. Against not only well-known fighters but also journeymen.

I asked you not to take "White" out of context... The reason I used that word is because that's how the Mexican community see him now... See my point?

I root for Oscar in most of his fights because I most likely don't like who he's fighting...

I don't hate Oscar and he has had many Great fights in his career... I loved the Vargas KO but I don't like him either...

I'm pretty indifferent...

I watch his fights and many times enjoy them... He's not on my favorite fighter list, though.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I think its ridiculous to say that ODLH is way past his prime, sure he fights different than he used, but his is a little slower, but he has better defense. I don't think his power has diminished, I saw him landing left hooks to the body against Forbes similar to the body punches Cotto lands. Cotto has also had a hard time taking out some of his opponents, Paulie, N'Dou... whom a lot of people thought he would stop.

I saw Oscar eating shots he never should have taken from Forbes keeping his hand down...

Lamply talked so much about all the parrying Oscar was doing... Bullshit, Oscar years ago would have slipped them and his deflection of blows from Forbes with his gloves was lack luster at best...

If that were floyd and not stevie Oscar would have taken a beating from Floyd...

I wanted Oscar to win against floyd and want him to win the second fight but if he thinks he can win the way he fought Forbes he's sadly mistaken...

He'll get worked if he walks in with his hand lowered like that letting floyd get off...

His defense did not look as good as you claim... it was ok at best

[Chino]

Pride,
Gotta agree with you. I was not expecting Oscar to look the way he did this weekend. His face after the fight showed something else about his defense. He looked cleaner after the Mayweather fight.

[Chino]

so, with all that said, ODLH being the face of boxing, being a good looking, well mannered, GREAT fighter, is VERY appealing to the mainstream of society.. And anytime you have a mainstream crowd that bows down to one specific fighter (or with music even.. when everyone LOVED britney spears because she appealed to the mainstream, regardless of the fact that she was a talentless whore).. it's easy to be a critic..

And many times it's not their fault. It's like when people rooted for the Chicago Bulls just because Michael Jordan played there. You would ask people "So, besides Jordan, who else do you like in the Chicago Bulls?" and they wouldn't be able to answer.

you can't blame him for his gift decisions...

Or the questionable losses he also got.

the guy has balls.. he fought the best when he was in his prime, and he's still fighting the best.. regardless of how much money he makes, or how he tries to sell his fights, he still has balls to get in the ring with the best competition..

There you go! That is another thing to admire about ODLH.

[Chino]

so, with all that said, ODLH being the face of boxing, being a good looking, well mannered, GREAT fighter, is VERY appealing to the mainstream of society.. And anytime you have a mainstream crowd that bows down to one specific fighter (or with music even.. when everyone LOVED britney spears because she appealed to the mainstream, regardless of the fact that she was a talentless whore).. it's easy to be a critic..

And many times it's not their fault. It's like when people rooted for the Chicago Bulls just because Michael Jordan played there. You would ask people "So, besides Jordan, who else do you like in the Chicago Bulls?" and they wouldn't be able to answer.

you can't blame him for his gift decisions...

Or the questionable losses he also got.

the guy has balls.. he fought the best when he was in his prime, and he's still fighting the best.. regardless of how much money he makes, or how he tries to sell his fights, he still has balls to get in the ring with the best competition..

There you go! That is another thing to admire about ODLH.

[RP33]

He'll get worked if he walks in with his hand lowered like that letting floyd get off...

His defense did not look as good as you claim... it was ok at best

I agree with this.. i think Oscar looked deceptive as far as his defense was concerned.. the main thing is that he was WAY more CALM then he was in the PBF fight.. He knew steve couldn't really hurt him so at time he wasn't even trying to block punches he would just stand in there and take a shot or two so that he could land a shot.. unfortunately he can't do that with PBF because A.) floyd hits harder than Forbes and B.) as soon as floyd lands he's out of range in a split second..

So i didn't feel that his "defense" was better, but more that he was more calm and was able to settle down and throw some good punches.

[Mar]

Right now oscar isn't going to be the most popular person in town cause he's is being seen as getting in the way of bigger and better fights none of which involve him. If he could have come away destroying forbes he might have been able to spark some interest in a rematch. It's just my view but i sat watching saturday for something anything that said, hey maybe the second time around things will be a little different, there were positives, but in comparison to the level of fighter he was in against i'm not sure if oscar can really be looking forward to facing floyd again ...seems like a whole lot of months of crappy build up just to have floyd whoop oscar even worse this time. I personally don't even think we're gonna make it to a third remaining fight if he fights floyd next. That being said oscar did his job this weekend...won the fight and looked pretty decent as a whole. I see oscars best chance being floyd taking him too lightly. And spending more time trying to convince us oscar can beat him than actually getting ready for the fight. But seeing how well floyd has been as far as preperation in the past....i doubt oscar has any chance at all. I do like oscar though..just to throw that in.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Right now oscar isn't going to be the most popular person in town cause he's is being seen as getting in the way of bigger and better fights none of which involve him. If he could have come away destroying forbes he might have been able to spark some interest in a rematch. It's just my view but i sat watching saturday for something anything that said, hey maybe the second time around things will be a little different, there were positives, but in comparison to the level of fighter he was in against i'm not sure if oscar can really be looking forward to facing floyd again ...seems like a whole lot of months of crappy build up just to have floyd whoop oscar even worse this time. I personally don't even think we're gonna make it to a third remaining fight if he fights floyd next. That being said oscar did his job this weekend...won the fight and looked pretty decent as a whole. I see oscars best chance being floyd taking him too lightly. And spending more time trying to convince us oscar can beat him than actually getting ready for the fight. But seeing how well floyd has been as far as preperation in the past....i doubt oscar has any chance at all. I do like oscar though..just to throw that in.

I do agree except for the rematch part... Like I said earlier, if he fights like he fought Forbes he's be dismantled by PBF... But... Floyd won't do much different in preparation IMO... He'll just figure that his ability to adjust and his athletisism will win the day.. Like it always does...

See, I see Oscar preparing for a totally different fight... He has Sr. in his corner and not Roach(who I see as overrated and a mercinary)... I see him Jabbing throughout and the jab getting to floyd.

Like I said months ago...

It will be Oscar's night!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I have been curious about this for a while now here in the forum. I'll say 95% of the people on this forum utterly hate ODLH. I could understand why people would hate Mayweather, Naz, Mike Tyson, Hopkins, etc. I mean, they have shown to be talk trash about others, have no charisma, unrespectful, etc. Even outside the ring. But, OSCAR?! He is far from being a trash talk, having no charisma, being unrespectful, etc. He is a gentleman and has fought whoever, just look at his resume. He has brought boxing some of the most exciting fights.
It seems that everything he does is just wrong no matter what. Cotto faced a lesser opponent and everybody was happy. Oscar did the same thing and everybody thought that was the worse thing ever done. Someone can do whatever but if Oscar does the same then it is simply unacceptable. I don't understand.
Let's say Oscar wins his next last 2 fights. I wonder if people in this forum will admit that he did a good job with no excuse and give him credit.

Well, you're right and wrong... Let me explain... I am not a ODLH fan... But I'll explain that later. Let me elude to a few of the issues that people have with him.

Oscar is a good fighter, no doubt, but he has gotten a bunch of gift decisions in his career to carry him when it other wise could have derailed it...

He has become a rich, "white"(please don't take this out of context... It is here for a reason) CEO who as "hungry" as he claims to be is very self important and pretty much a bulshit artist...
Take a look at the Steve Forbes countdown... He took a sweat and tears gym and turned it into a billboard for goldenboy... He ruined the "rugged" gym that was there and replaced the ring and redid the whole thing... Is that what "going back to your roots" is?

He embarassed a hero trying to get the Mexican population to love him... That backfired

He's a friggin crossdresser...

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Geezus, I could go on for a while...

I'll allow you to rubutle if you'd like but the facts remain...

Is ODLH a good fighter? Yes...


Has he made sellout and career decisions that have worked against him even while winning and gaining "fans"

Yes...

[:::PSL:::]

I have been curious about this for a while now here in the forum. I'll say 95% of the people on this forum utterly hate ODLH. I could understand why people would hate Mayweather, Naz, Mike Tyson, Hopkins, etc. I mean, they have shown to be talk trash about others, have no charisma, unrespectful, etc. Even outside the ring. But, OSCAR?! He is far from being a trash talk, having no charisma, being unrespectful, etc. He is a gentleman and has fought whoever, just look at his resume. He has brought boxing some of the most exciting fights.
It seems that everything he does is just wrong no matter what. Cotto faced a lesser opponent and everybody was happy. Oscar did the same thing and everybody thought that was the worse thing ever done. Someone can do whatever but if Oscar does the same then it is simply unacceptable. I don't understand.
Let's say Oscar wins his next last 2 fights. I wonder if people in this forum will admit that he did a good job with no excuse and give him credit.

He's a friggin crossdresser...

[RP33]

Geezus, I could go on for a while...

I'll allow you to rubutle if you'd like but the facts remain...

Is ODLH a good fighter? Yes...


Has he made sellout and career decisions that have worked against him even while winning and gaining "fans"

Yes...

The thing about being a boxing fan, where you're talking boxing everyday on a forum like this is that we all form a sense of tunnel vision.. Sometimes it's hard to see and realize what the general public feels, and we forget that unfortunately, in a sport like boxing where their is not a HUGE fan base whatsoever, the general public has a lot of pull.... and what i mean by that is when there is a "megafight" coming up, the amount of people who aren't "huge" boxing fans like us (the general public) take up the large majority of the PPV buys.. These are the people who have a like for the sport of boxing, but couldn't name 3 lightweights.. i feel that that group of people are the majority of PPV buys, as opposed to us avid fans who are simply just too small of a group to be the MAIN target for the fights..

so, with all that said, ODLH being the face of boxing, being a good looking, well mannered, GREAT fighter, is VERY appealing to the mainstream of society.. And anytime you have a mainstream crowd that bows down to one specific fighter (or with music even.. when everyone LOVED britney spears because she appealed to the mainstream, regardless of the fact that she was a talentless whore).. it's easy to be a critic..

So i think that is where all the hatred comes from.. It's easy to criticize and pick apart someone, and go against the grain..

unfortunately ODLH is a hell of a fighter, with one of the best resume's i've ever seen, so there lies the mixture of haters/fans..

so that's my only problem POB.. you can't blame him for his gift decisions.. in fact he at least owns up to the fact that he wasn't the best in those fights.. the one that comes to mind is the vargas fight.. my problem is that the guy has balls.. he fought the best when he was in his prime, and he's still fighting the best.. regardless of how much money he makes, or how he tries to sell his fights, he still has balls to get in the ring with the best competition.. so i can't hate on the guy..