did we miss something with the hatton mayweather fight?

[oakleyno1]

i know everyone is saying hatton will never be this at 147 etcetc BUT
just thinking about it even though he certsinly is not wot he was at 140 look at what he achived against floyd...

hatton went 10 rounds of what HBO SKY Sports and me all thought was a close fight gradully going mayweather way , speshly from the 7th round. this was in an uncomfortable weight class for ricky
BUT

corrales was down 4 times and tkoed in10
gatti gon e in 6, went on to beat damguard so not totally washed up
Ndou gone in 6 or 7 i believe
jesus chavez retired in 9 i think?

so in hatton losing despite this did he prove himself to be a great fighter also? i would certainly rate him up there with corrales etc

opinons?

[p4pking]

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

[RozzySean]

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

[p4pking]

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

Most definetly don't find Hopkins exciting these days, but I do appreciate his ring craft more than Hatton's. Maybe it's just that he's a bit slicker and so wily. I certainly understand your point in that he's just as guilty of initiating clinches, hitting and holding and ruining the ebb and flow of a fight. But that's what he's trying to do, with Hatton it's more that he tries to hold in order to get off his own shots, rather than stop the other guy from getting off? Maybe I'm way off there. Certainly in his younger years Hopkins used clinching and dirty fighting much more strategically rather than having to do so in order to slow the pace. I'm also a bit of a sucker for old guys and underdogs I spose, if Hopkins wasn't 43 I'd probably have more bad things to say about the way he fights as well.

[RozzySean]

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

Most definetly don't find Hopkins exciting these days, but I do appreciate his ring craft more than Hatton's. Maybe it's just that he's a bit slicker and so wily. I certainly understand your point in that he's just as guilty of initiating clinches, hitting and holding and ruining the ebb and flow of a fight. But that's what he's trying to do, with Hatton it's more that he tries to hold in order to get off his own shots, rather than stop the other guy from getting off? Maybe I'm way off there. Certainly in his younger years Hopkins used clinching and dirty fighting much more strategically rather than having to do so in order to slow the pace. I'm also a bit of a sucker for old guys and underdogs I spose, if Hopkins wasn't 43 I'd probably have more bad things to say about the way he fights as well.

Hopkins holds and hits for offense probably a little less than Hatton, but he does it just as much, if not more, to slow the pace. But he uses his head as a weapon more. Whereas Hatton will do the hook and hold thing, Hopkins will do the straight right/headbutt and hold. Yeah, hopkins is slicker, and I appreciate that aspect of his game, and I appreciate it more because of his age.

Against Floyd, Mausa, and Castillo Ricky's style didn't bother me. He held some, for sure, but he was more fluid and used his feet. Against Tarver, I liked watching Hopkins a lot. He did his share of holding, but he let his hands go and he put on a real clinic. Instead of holding every time he landed a right, he was potshotting Tarver and getting back out to distance.

I only raised the point because Hatton takes a lot of crap for holding and using shady tactics, but Hopkins does the same types of thing, though in a different way, and he gets a pass on it. Maybe it's the age thing. Once you're past 35, you get an old guy-underdog pass. I can't really argue with that

[LawHoops]

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

[BIG H]

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

Talking of jokes - welcome back

[oakleyno1]

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

hbo had hatton up after 6 rounds sky had him one down i said up to round 7. mayweather does not have little power he is so accurate it makes him powerful does de la hoya who was staggered, gatti, corrales have a weak chin are they jokes? that was a really stupid comment

[DaxxKahn]

I rooted for Hatton obviously because he is a decent guy and Mayweather is annoying but truth is I never thought he would win....Sadly enough hoping and knowing it will happen are two different things....I rooted for Gatti as well....

With that being said...Hatton went in with the wrong gameplan...He fell apart and got frustrated....He allowed Floyd to get comfortable....

It seems all of Floyds aopponets seem to do the same thig and try to either outbox him or take his head off with bombs''''''

The way to beat Floyd is fight him dirty...Make it rough....A lot of inside holding etc...If he lays on the ropes don't stand and try to take his head off giving him a chance to counter like he prefers...lay right up on him so he has to lean back and has no room to counter...smother the man....Yet nonone seems to do any of that?

Hatton did no worse then many of Floyds big wins...DLH had the best plan and was doing great until he himself seemed to abandon what was working for no apparent reason...Maybe fatigue?


I do think Hatton got a bum rap by fans for the loss....He lost to the P4P #1 fighter in the world....and for somereason he has been blsted more then any of Floyds other opponenets...Some people are even acting as if Hatton is a 3rd rate fighter all of a sudden.....He has notiing to be ashamed of

[killersheep]

Hatton is a tough fight for anyone up to 140, at 147 he's just too small.

I think he has the potential to be great, but he has to get back on his horse after Lazcano and fight the other top dogs at 140 and forget all this Mayweather nonsense and leave it in his past. If I was Hatton I would call out Judah to come down to 140, barring that Witter or Malignaggi.

I have a hard time calling him a great at the moment, he still has the potential.

Beating Tszyu moved him up to being the real deal, but that's his only win of consequence in the scheme of things, his win over JLC, while impressive was meaningless, he should have been facing Ngoudjo.

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I had Hatton winning the fight before the stoppage.

[HattonTheHammer]

Hatton would of disposed of corrales no problems.

Guy was an excellent counter puncher who gave castillo problems in his prime.

But he wouldnt of lived with hatton, similar style only ricky would of made himself the aggressor and forced corrales into fighting a fight he wouldnt be used to.

The current haters are ten a plenty at the mo, sad really as hatton is one of the few boxers in the world at the moment who can win a genuine world title without being completely on song.

[DaxxKahn]

Hatton would of disposed of corrales no problems.

Guy was an excellent counter puncher who gave castillo problems in his prime.

But he wouldnt of lived with hatton, similar style only ricky would of made himself the aggressor and forced corrales into fighting a fight he wouldnt be used to.

The current haters are ten a plenty at the mo, sad really as hatton is one of the few boxers in the world at the moment who can win a genuine world title without being completely on song.

I would not go that far....And I also would not pick Hatton over a Prime Castillo....He beat a shop worn version that was obvious did not really want the fight to begin with....I liike Ricky but he is not as good as you are stating....Many guys in the game that would beat him P4P.....Even at 140 I still say Malignaggi outpoints him....

[killersheep]

Hatton would of disposed of corrales no problems.

That's a bit of a stretch, to say anyone would have "no problems" against Corrales is a statement of someone that never watched his fights aside from maybe the Mayweather one.

[littlebif]

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

You had Hatton losing every round your scoring must be terrible. Did you watch the fight?