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    Default where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.
    Even though Diaz is a lesser opponent than Morales, Barrera, Marquez, i think its one of his best. Because he showed great boxing skills and used his right hand in a brilliant way.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Any chance of rematching Marquez ?

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hughesd View Post
    Any chance of rematching Marquez ?
    Yes im sure it will happen if Marquez beats Casamayor.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.
    Even though Diaz is a lesser opponent than Morales, Barrera, Marquez, i think its one of his best. Because he showed great boxing skills and used his right hand in a brilliant way.

    Is there any of his earlier fights where he displays this kind of endless 12round raw aggression??

    I always fought that 1st barrera fight was pacs most dominant display, but saturday night definetely topped that!!

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.
    Even though Diaz is a lesser opponent than Morales, Barrera, Marquez, i think its one of his best. Because he showed great boxing skills and used his right hand in a brilliant way.

    Is there any of his earlier fights where he displays this kind of endless 12round raw aggression??

    I always fought that 1st barrera fight was pacs most dominant display, but saturday night definetely topped that!!
    Manny Pacquiao has only gone 12 rounds 5 times, twice with Marquez, once with Barrera, once with Morales, once with Larios.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post

    Even though Diaz is a lesser opponent than Morales, Barrera, Marquez, i think its one of his best. Because he showed great boxing skills and used his right hand in a brilliant way.

    Is there any of his earlier fights where he displays this kind of endless 12round raw aggression??

    I always fought that 1st barrera fight was pacs most dominant display, but saturday night definetely topped that!!
    Manny Pacquiao has only gone 12 rounds 5 times, twice with Marquez, once with Barrera, once with Morales, once with Larios.
    Am i right in saying el terrible is the only one of those that has managed to outpoint him??

    what a great great fight that was

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    Is there any of his earlier fights where he displays this kind of endless 12round raw aggression??

    I always fought that 1st barrera fight was pacs most dominant display, but saturday night definetely topped that!!
    Manny Pacquiao has only gone 12 rounds 5 times, twice with Marquez, once with Barrera, once with Morales, once with Larios.
    Am i right in saying el terrible is the only one of those that has managed to outpoint him??

    what a great great fight that was
    Yep your right Pacquiao's other losses were when he was really young, one was where he was weight drained and got KO'ed by a body shot that looked low to me, but IMO the only boxer who has ever had Pacquiao's number is Marquez, because he circles clockwise and forces Pacquiao to move in a direction which is against his natural power thus taking away his left hand which is his best weapon, and plus because Marquez has excellent timing and he is a counter puncher, he can beat Pacquiao's speed with timing ever heard of the old saying timing beats speed ?? plus he leads with straight right hands right down the pipe and throws left hooks to the body which is perfect against a Southpaw, all these little things are needed when fighting Southpaws and Marquez has got it down to a tee.
    Last edited by ICB; 06-30-2008 at 09:27 AM.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    It was a great fight, he looks better at 135 in my eyes. I never expected the KO. Did you know he is the first Asian fighter to win belts at 4 weight classes now? If he can win a belt at 140 it would be amazing and I think he could.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.
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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Am asking this more out of curiosity than general knowledge.

    Before saturday night however big a fan of manny i was i still had over riding concerns over certain things.

    But saturday was an absoloutley flawless performance and i generally now believe that not only is manny now the greatest p4p boxer in the world, but good enough to actually become a world champion at 140 which is quite astonishing considering his original weight he started off at.
    As far as skills set goes it's def. up there.

    But the fact that the quality of opposition was not good knocks it down IMO.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    I'll throw in my two cents on the Pacquiao vs Marquez fights.

    I've watched the first fight approximately 6 times. I had Pacquiao winning once, Marquez winning once, and the rest of the time a draw. The second fight, I still score the same after having seen it three times, I have Pac winning by one point. The fact of the matter was, it was such an evenly fought match. Marquez had clearly won some rounds, also Pacquiao as well, but there were a couple of rounds that EASILY could've gone either way.

    In regards to the Diaz fight in his all-time performances, the ones that stick out in my mind

    Equally great performances between:
    -Pacquiao vs Ledwaba: Having only trained for two weeks prior to the fight and COMPLETELY BATTERED a world champion sure was a thing of beauty. Also was his first HBO fight. With those things in mind, not exactly a recipe for success but he did somehow pull it off.

    Pacquiao vs Diaz:
    Hopefully I remember the specifics of the fight, being that I was BLASTED before the fight started. Manny fought perfectly! He fought well being backed up, came forward, flurried, then got out of there, also countering with ease. Given Diaz isn't exactly all the skilled, I've never seen Manny fight such a calculated, disciplined fight. I'm used to seeing him press the action.

    -Pacquiao vs Morales III: He was furious the whole way through and threw punches with incredible speed and power.

    By far his best performance:
    -Pacquiao vs Barrera I: He just completely applied the pressure and never let up. A perfect performance for his first big fight.

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    Default Re: where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

    When it comes to knock outs, these two stand out:

    The famous standing ktfo!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=lykODy0mKl4

    And the uppercut from hell!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRtFcKZ8o6A

    But complete performance my personal favorite would be these:

    Versus the half filipin half australian Makelin, pac relentlessly broke this guys rib all fight long. IMO pac was at his most aggressive in this fight til Scott Makelins corner threw in the towel.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMbDoubd9gA&feature=related

    The destruction of Ledwaba!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=aVhgiLMukIo

    Pac in the undercard of lewis tyson, he made quick work of julio.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=HiUGEVTlSyM&feature=related

    Versus Mabman, Pac was just too much.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_2ooXdcxLQ&feature=related

    And Ofcourse ending the third in three!
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YT4KeEIfQpA&feature=related

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