Warren: Trust me when Pavlik beats Taylor at 166lbs....

[Markusdarkus]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk

7:20 on.

[Fenster]

He helped Arum serve up one of those gimme defences.

Warren knows the score alright. Makes me laugh when "fans" accuse him of not knowing what he's doing

[Markusdarkus]

He helped Arum serve up one of those gimme defences.

Warren knows the score alright. Makes me laugh when "fans" accuse him of not knowing what he's doing

Trouble with Warren is he does the best for himself and his boxer not the fans.

Hopefully in 2009 Khan will fight an actual Lightweight!

[Fenster]

He helped Arum serve up one of those gimme defences.

Warren knows the score alright. Makes me laugh when "fans" accuse him of not knowing what he's doing

Trouble with Warren is he does the best for himself and his boxer not the fans.

Hopefully in 2009 Khan will fight an actual Lightweight!

Exactly. His job.

Hopefully in 2008 Khan will fight one too.. for our (fans) sake.

[Markusdarkus]

He helped Arum serve up one of those gimme defences.

Warren knows the score alright. Makes me laugh when "fans" accuse him of not knowing what he's doing

Trouble with Warren is he does the best for himself and his boxer not the fans.

Hopefully in 2009 Khan will fight an actual Lightweight!

Exactly. His job.

Hopefully in 2008 Khan will fight one too.. for our (fans) sake.

You need to keep the fans onside, i should have said he doesnt do the best thing for boxing.

If i was a boxer in Europe id go with Warren id make a million before i was in a fight.

[Deanrw]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk
7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

[Markusdarkus]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk
7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

[Deanrw]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

[Markusdarkus]

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

lol. sreious lol.

The only way to beat Calzaghe (unless you detonate an atom bomb on his chin) is to fight backing off and smother, Calzaghe does not fight well on the front foot.

Now Pavlik cannot fight like that,his gimmik is to pressure fighters and out bomb them someone with Calzaghe speed and footwork make it an easy night.

And im not sure Calzaghe is looking for easy pickings yes he is cashing in fighting Roy but surely you cant say Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins is "Cashing in" and before we get the Hopkins was old crap he was coming off career best B2B wins over Winky Wright and antonio Tarver (112-107) who has since come back and won a world title.

Hopkins was ALL WRONG for calzaghe, Pavlik is PERFECT foir Joe.

[Deanrw]

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

lol. sreious lol.

The only way to beat Calzaghe (unless you detonate an atom bomb on his chin) is to fight backing off and smother, Calzaghe does not fight well on the front foot.

Now Pavlik cannot fight like that,his gimmik is to pressure fighters and out bomb them someone with Calzaghe speed and footwork make it an easy night.

And im not sure Calzaghe is looking for easy pickings yes he is cashing in fighting Roy but surely you cant say Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins is "Cashing in" and before we get the Hopkins was old crap he was coming off career best B2B wins over Winky Wright and antonio Tarver (112-107) who has since come back and won a world title.

Hopkins was ALL WRONG for calzaghe, Pavlik is PERFECT foir Joe.

You are just a fanboy. I'm not going to waste any more time with you. You refuse to look through the stained glass to see the big picture. You are just a Nationalistic NutHugger. Plain and simple.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

lol. sreious lol.

The only way to beat Calzaghe (unless you detonate an atom bomb on his chin) is to fight backing off and smother, Calzaghe does not fight well on the front foot.

Now Pavlik cannot fight like that,his gimmik is to pressure fighters and out bomb them someone with Calzaghe speed and footwork make it an easy night.

And im not sure Calzaghe is looking for easy pickings yes he is cashing in fighting Roy but surely you cant say Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins is "Cashing in" and before we get the Hopkins was old crap he was coming off career best B2B wins over Winky Wright and antonio Tarver (112-107) who has since come back and won a world title.

Hopkins was ALL WRONG for calzaghe, Pavlik is PERFECT foir Joe.

I being a big Pavlik fan hate hearing this shit... Cuz it's probably true. If you walk Joe down he will out point and out work you 49 fights out of 50. And he'd probably still pull out a draw on the one he didn't win. He had trouble with Hop cuz he was the exact opposite.

I hate Calslappy's style but he wins fights and has been champ for over 10 yrs.

Thing is... The whole "detonate an atom bomb on his chin" thing...

Is that what that peck that Hopkins landed was called?

I know, I know, it was a flash knockdown. and you're correct. Point is is that Joe has never been hit with the type of stuff Kelly brings to the table.

That being said.

I believe you are correct about the matchmaking being stylistically in Joe's favor...

But Kelly always has that eraser in his holster... There's no denying that.

[ono]

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

I fail to see how Joe has suddenly become faded.

An average performance against Hopkins isn't necessarily the mark of a fading fighter. The way he handled Kessler was impressive.

Hopkins is a very difficult guy to look good against.

Pavlik is also very handy. He's over-rated by the extremists and maybe the die hard Pavlik fans. But that happens with every fighter at some point who has a following. He's clearly the best around at his weight.

Anyway thats the first time i've disagreed with your opinion, so no hard feelings mate

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe had one bad fight since Reid in 99 thats 9yrs all of a sudden he is featherfisted and past it. Sorry his career worst display was easily enough to topple Hopkins at a new weight when Hopkins was coming off career best wins.

Calzaghe on form would o my good, it would be brutal, he would destroy Kelly Pavlik.

Kelly Pavlik have the most insane fans since Miguel Cotto was coming through and they might even supparse those they are insane.

[Deanrw]

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

I fail to see how Joe has suddenly become faded.

An average performance against Hopkins isn't necessarily the mark of a fading fighter. The way he handled Kessler was impressive.

Hopkins is a very difficult guy to look good against.

Pavlik is also very handy. He's over-rated by the extremists and maybe the die hard Pavlik fans. But that happens with every fighter at some point who has a following. He's clearly the best around at his weight.

Anyway thats the first time i've disagreed with your opinion, so no hard feelings mate

Never have hard feelings with you bro. What I was trying to say as some from both camps on the extreme side think their man is unbeatable. Joe and Kelly are both beatable. The difference is that Joe is on 36 year old legs that are getting slower, while Kelly is on 26 year old legs that are getting more mature. Kelly is on the rise while Joe is on the decline in my eyes. Is Kelly good enough at this point to beat Joe? I have no idea, but I think it would be a great test for Joe.

It just pisses me off when some slag off on Kelly calling him another Lacy etc. To me that is just digging for excuses. Kelly may not be a world beater yet, but he deserves some respect even at this point.

[CountryBoy]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk
7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Probably 85-95% of this forum, Sorry bro this is one of the most knowledgeable and legit forums on the net for boxing.