Holt vs Torres III in the works

[Diane]

This appeared as part of Dan Rafael's of ESPN.com, Notebook today.

ESPN - Notebook: Williams believes he will be a successful middleweight - Boxing

• A third bout between junior welterweight titlist Kendall Holt and ex-belt holder Ricardo Torres is under heavy discussion. Top Rank promoter Bob Arum told ESPN.com that he's talking with Showtime about putting the fight together for December, and offers have been extended to both fighters. Arum said the target date is Dec. 5 in Las Vegas on the eve of De La Hoya-Pacquiao. In their first meeting in Torres' native Colombia in September 2007, Torres retained a belt via a controversial 11th-round TKO in a fight in which fans pelted the ring all night with debris. In the July rematch in Las Vegas, Holt claimed the title with a savage first-round knockout in a wild 61-second fight. Holt (24-2, 13 KOs) was down twice before knocking Torres (32-2, 28 KOs) cold after an accidental head butt. Showtime was booked for the rest of the year, but Arum said that when Joan Guzman failed to make weight for his fight last week with Nate Campbell, it meant Showtime, which didn't have to pay for it, suddenly had money left in the budget. "I guess fortunately for us, Guzman saved them a lot of money," Arum said.

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I hope this comes off, especially since the 2nd fight ended so quickly.

You couldn't have asked for more, for a less than 1 round fight! I felt bad for Torres, since a head butt to the chin started his knock out.

You guys may want to go and read the rest of the stories in the notebook.

[ICB]

It for certain should happen both men now have controversial wins over eachother. So hopefully a 3rd fight will settle the score without controversy, i think Torres wins the 3rd fight by TKO by the way.

[CutMeMick]

It for certain should happen both men now have controversial wins over eachother. So hopefully a 3rd fight will settle the score without controversy, i think Torres wins the 3rd fight by TKO by the way.

I don't think there was anything controversial about the 1st fight.

Holt complained about"
- Hostile enviroment
- Objects being thrown
- Uncontrolled/Rowdy crowd


Uuuuummm!! It's a fucken boxing event in Colombia, what did he expect a church choir and formal dinner?

I did NOT see anything there that I haven't seen before. Holt was just looking for an excuse IMO.

[ICB]

It for certain should happen both men now have controversial wins over eachother. So hopefully a 3rd fight will settle the score without controversy, i think Torres wins the 3rd fight by TKO by the way.

I don't think there was anything controversial about the 1st fight.

Holt complained about"
- Hostile enviroment
- Objects being thrown
- Uncontrolled/Rowdy crowd


Uuuuummm!! It's a fucken boxing event in Colombia, what did he expect a church choir and formal dinner?

I did NOT see anything there that I haven't seen before. Holt was just looking for an excuse IMO.

I disagree i have only seen the fight once, but the crowd were disgraceful throwing beer cans at Holt and one even hit him didn't it ? and this was just after he floored Torres. It would of had a serious impact on his concentration.

[CutMeMick]

It for certain should happen both men now have controversial wins over eachother. So hopefully a 3rd fight will settle the score without controversy, i think Torres wins the 3rd fight by TKO by the way.

I don't think there was anything controversial about the 1st fight.

Holt complained about"
- Hostile enviroment
- Objects being thrown
- Uncontrolled/Rowdy crowd


Uuuuummm!! It's a fucken boxing event in Colombia, what did he expect a church choir and formal dinner?

I did NOT see anything there that I haven't seen before. Holt was just looking for an excuse IMO.

I disagree i have only seen the fight once, but the crowd were disgraceful throwing beer cans at Holt and one even hit him didn't it ? and this was just after he floored Torres. It would of had a serious impact on his confidence.

As I said I did not see anything there that I haven't seen in other fights.

Have you seen Valero-Mosquera?
Do you remember what the crowd was like for that?
On par with Holt-Torres there were even people who got past security and were yelling at Valero from the ringside.
Valero still went on to win.

How about Eubanks-Rocchigiani do you remember the crowd for that?
And that was just for the walk ins...

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think there was anything controversial about the 1st fight.

Holt complained about"
- Hostile enviroment
- Objects being thrown
- Uncontrolled/Rowdy crowd


Uuuuummm!! It's a fucken boxing event in Colombia, what did he expect a church choir and formal dinner?

I did NOT see anything there that I haven't seen before. Holt was just looking for an excuse IMO.

I disagree i have only seen the fight once, but the crowd were disgraceful throwing beer cans at Holt and one even hit him didn't it ? and this was just after he floored Torres. It would of had a serious impact on his confidence.

As I said I did not see anything there that I haven't seen in other fights.

Have you seen Valero-Mosquera?
Do you remember what the crowd was like for that?
On par with Holt-Torres there were even people who got past security and were yelling at Valero from the ringside.
Valero still went on to win.

How about Eubanks-Rocchigiani do you remember the crowd for that?
And that was just for the walk ins...

This fight must go ahead. I'd pay to see a re-run of no.2. Controversial ending? Yes. Entertaining? Yes. what more do you want?

[ICB]

I don't think there was anything controversial about the 1st fight.

Holt complained about"
- Hostile enviroment
- Objects being thrown
- Uncontrolled/Rowdy crowd


Uuuuummm!! It's a fucken boxing event in Colombia, what did he expect a church choir and formal dinner?

I did NOT see anything there that I haven't seen before. Holt was just looking for an excuse IMO.

I disagree i have only seen the fight once, but the crowd were disgraceful throwing beer cans at Holt and one even hit him didn't it ? and this was just after he floored Torres. It would of had a serious impact on his confidence.

As I said I did not see anything there that I haven't seen in other fights.

Have you seen Valero-Mosquera?
Do you remember what the crowd was like for that?
On par with Holt-Torres there were even people who got past security and were yelling at Valero from the ringside.
Valero still went on to win.

How about Eubanks-Rocchigiani do you remember the crowd for that?
And that was just for the walk ins...

I think i've seen Valero vs Mosquera was that the fight where Valero got knocked down ? can't remember Eubank vs Rocchigiana, but as i said Mick i believe the crowd did effect the concentration of Holt. Imagine your boxer and you got the crowd throwing beer cans at you ? thats got to have a serious effect mentality wise. Maybe it wouldn't have made of difference i don't know all i do know is that both fights were controversial, and whoever wins the 3rd meeting should settle the score.

[CutMeMick]

Sounds good to me.

The WBO declined Torres appeal for the 2nd fight.
So now a 3rd fight I think will settle it once and for all.

[killersheep]

Sounds good to me.

The WBO declined Torres appeal for the 2nd fight.
So now a 3rd fight I think will settle it once and for all.

Or end controversially again and cause a fourth match

Holt - Torres III definately HAS to happen gotta try and get some closure on this.

I'll take Torres KO early.

[kingfrnk]

im 99.9% torres will win the fight he was gonna win the rematch until the headbutt i mean damn he knocked holt down twice in the first minute and just got careless

[leftylee]

I think this fight is a must. There's a lot of circumstances regarding the first 2 fights. In the first fight the beer cans getting launhed in the ring. In the second one the headbutt incident. So a 3rd fight should clear things up once and for all.

For most fights were fighters are tied 1-1 a triology must happen. However a third fight between Paul Williams-Carlos Quintana and Sergio Mora-Vernon Forrest are an exception. Williams and Forrest both showed they had an off night in the first bout while taking the rematch with ease.

[Phil]

yeah a third fight should definetly happen, I think Torres stops him in about 3 rounds, it'll be similar to the second fight without Torres getting reckless and loafed