kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[Hoggmeister]

over the past year or so theres been alot of talk about kelly pavlik being a throwback fighter from the same mould as say marvin hagler in terms of toughness and resilience, tommy hearns in physicality and power. but how would pavlik have done against the past middle and light heavyweights? (ive added light heavyweight because pavlik is a big middle even by todays standards). it would be good to hear what you think on the subject.

[BIG H]

H'ed have punchers chance against most, i.e Hearns, but Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins, RJJ etc would own him imo

[Markusdarkus]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

[JonnyFolds]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

[CFH]

Lets not get carried away over Pavlik. He's not in the league of a Tommy Hearns or a Marvin Hagler or any of the greats because he hasn't accomplished a percentage of what those guys did.

The only guy I'd give him a chance against would be Hearns, only because of Hearns chin, but it'd be a shootout and whoever landed the first big shot(s) would win IMO.

[Markusdarkus]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

That is probably that daftest Pavlik loonacy love ive ever read:

He would beat Winky, Eubank and Calzaghe prime 4 prime!

May as well throw in Benn and Mcallum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its posts like this drivvel that turns purists against the likable Pavlik.

Utter tripe.

[ICB]

I like it... Pavlikfan posts something about Pavlik and the first two replies are Anti-Pavlik. Well, it's true he has his weaknesses. But seriously, this guy has some real strength. I think that we could all agree that Hearns would have a hard time with him. I think Hagler would take it the distance, and edge him. RJJ would give him a fit.

He would beat Hopkins, Winky, Eubank, and Calzaghe. I have to say he is no slouch. He has really cleaned out his division fairly quickly. All the people he beat have beaten the good prospects, so we'll just have to see him pack on the pounds and applying the pressure to other divisions.

How has Kelly Pavlik cleaned out the division ? he did beat the best Middleweight Jermain Taylor no arguments. But he has in no way shape or form cleaned out the division, theres still other champions like Felix Sturm, Arthur Abraham. Or how about Raul Marquez, John Duddy ? theres quite a few names he has to beat before we or he can claim he has cleaned out the division.

[CutMeMick]

It's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to level him against ATG...

I like how 1 or 2 top fights into a champs reing people quickly start listing him in mythical fights.

I like Pavlik but beating Miranda & JT is not enough for me to determine how he would do vs. ATG.

We still might not have seen Pavlik at his best, maybes there's more to him.

[RozzySean]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

[ICB]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

[RozzySean]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

I'm not claiming Pavlik beats them, but he doesn't get "schooled."

McCallum sparked out china-chin Jackson in two, not exactly a true test. You also predict Jackson over Pavlik in 2, which is a silly statement. Pavlik would likely have Julian Jackson out in 2. Pavlik's reach would have the potential to give McCallum a very hard time. You have to get past that reach to get to the body. Pavlik's a much bigger man, and that would have an impact. This would be a very close fight.

Same with Eubank. This is a very close fight. Maybe Eubank comes out on top, but I wouldn't bet on him to "school" Pavlik.

To me, if a fighter gets schooled, it means he's completely outclassed...either by lack of skill, difficult matchup, or both. Examples Tito against Winky or ODLH against Mayorga. I wouldn't expect McCallum or Eubank to make Pavlik look bad. They are both close fights, whereas Hagler, Monzon, or Jones would make Kelly look stupid. Savy?

[Spicoli]

He would beat Hearns imo.

McCallum, Jones, Hopkins, Eubank, Hagler the list is endless that would school him.

I'm not sure I would put McCallum or Eubank on that list. Hagler, Monzon, Jones, and Toney, for sure.

I would bro Mike McCallum at his best had a granite chin, great technical skills. And was a terrific body puncher and Kelly Pavlik would be virtually, doubling over after about the 8th round or 9th round. Plus Kelly Pavlik's power wouldn't dent Mike McCallum IMO. Because remember Mike McCallum beat Julian Jackson and took his power, and Julian Jackson is a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik for certain.

Chris Eubank fought Nigel Benn who was also a bigger puncher than Kelly Pavlik was. And Nigel Benn couldn't even wobble or effect Chris Eubank one bit, Chris Eubank even moved up to Cruiserweight and fought a good puncher in Carl Thompson.

And never looked close to going down but he actually put Carl Thompson down, and had him wobbling quite a few times. The point im making Chris Eubank at his best had one of the best chins i've ever seen, and had enough power to wear out Kelly Pavlik late on, and stop him in a battle chins/will.

I seem to remember Benn having some effect on Eubank in the first brutal battle ICB.All in all he held up well and came back great but was dropped from a right on the side of the head in the 8th,though Eubank claimed he was off balance,also I thought Benn fazed him early in the rematch.I agree on the general statement....Eubanks had a great chin but he was definatly effected by Benn on a few occasions and stated that he felt the pain like never before.

[Markusdarkus]

McCallum was unttterly robbed in the first Toney fight i will add. Its down as a draw but man it was worse than Lewis v Holyfield I.

[DaxxKahn]

He beats Hearns if he catches Tommy anytime after the 8th with some nbig big thunder..If he last past 4

Hagler beats him down like a mugger in 7 or 8...Marvin had a granite chin and Kelly would learn quickly the difference between the Marvelous on and Miranda or JT...

Monzon brings him to war and stops him...

At LH Jones boxes him into embaressment...At SMW he sends the Ghost to the canvas in 3....at most...

At LHW Micheal Spinks gives him a boxing lesson...

Archie Moore shows how tough an old man can be if you take a fight lightly...

Pretty much as Mick said...It is wayyy too early to even consider Pavlik in these matches

[southakron314]

People always try this and it never holds water. How do you think Ruth and Cobb would do in todays baseball game. Or Nameth. They would get owned. Pavlik would beat Hearns, Manzon , McC and maybe Hagler. He would beat SRR and Lamatta. he would bury Harry Greb. He would have a tough time with Jones Jr. Hopkins in his prime , and Toney and he beats Calzaghe. PAVLIK HAS NOT EVEN HIT HIS PRIME YET. HE IS JUST GETTING INTO HIS PRIME.